*SPOILERS* Stargate Atlantis 1X20. The Seige II

[Trytostaydead]

where did they get that railgun?

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where did they get that railgun?

We've known how to build one for some time now just haven't had the power plants and materials to make it practical.

The SGverse on the other hand, has access to trinium, a substance with extremely lop sided weight to strength ratio when properly refined and naquada, which varies from superconductor to supercharger depending on how its used and presumably how its refined.

Its actually quite a sign at just how badly Prometheus was rushed that she was put into service without the rail guns ready. Though in every situation Prometheus has been sortied, the stakes have been extremely high or the likelihood of needing the rail guns fairly low.

My money is on Daedalus incorporating human knock offs of the Asgard, Goa'uld and more tech that has been continously added to Prometheus with perhaps a few donated or salvaged Asgard and Goa'uld components here and there. So Daedalus probably will have a full load of cruise missiles and rail guns, perhaps even a mini-Asgard cannon combined with the shields that the Asgard designed specifically for Prometheus (which implies, at least to me, that they were designed with humans being able to maintain and duplicate them in mind.)

If Daedalus is fully armed and operational, then a damaged Prometheus is probably no better and probably a much riskier alternative. Prometheus as has been suggested before, may also be held in reserve in case Baal launches an assault on Earth,

even with the forces he lost at T'kara, he probably still has at least two or more operational Ha'taks which while not enough to defeat Prometheus, is still enough to threaten Earth or Alpha / Beta sites if they've been compromised. Not to mention the possibility of other Replicator ships that didn't quite make it to the T'kara system before the weapon was used to destroy the Replicator armada which Prometheus would be neccessary to defend Earth from if not actively assisting the Asgard and Jaffa Rebels in hunting down and destroying.

It may also be a strategic decision. If one BC-303, its squadron of F-302s and the reinforcements cannot hold Atlantis, then Earth is quite clearly in over its head in Pegasus and despite all the potential gains, the risk if Atlantis is undefendable may be thought to be too great. It would not suprise me in the slightest if Daedalus has a naquada enhanced nuclear warhead in her missile magazines with standing orders to vaporize Atlantis if it irretrievably falls into Wraith hands.

[Dahak]

Well, unless they plan to kill their main character, and assuming that Bomb works as advertised someone's going to have to beam him out of that thing, which means either: 1 - Atlantis has a working transporter somwhere that is activated 2 - the Wraith will capture him, or 3 - The Dae will arrive and beam him out. If it's three, then they need to have some reason for it arriving so quickly, for which, an Asgard tow seems to be rather good.

Only problem I see is that the puddle jumper is stealthed, so it is quite questionable, the Daedalus would even see him.

[NecronLord]

Only problem I see is that the puddle jumper is stealthed, so it is quite questionable, the Daedalus would even see him.

Asgard Science Ship > Stealth...

Probably.

[Dahak]

Only problem I see is that the puddle jumper is stealthed, so it is quite questionable, the Daedalus would even see him.

Asgard Science Ship > Stealth...

Probably.

Ancient Stealth > Asgard Science Ship...

Probably.

[Chris OFarrell]

Only problem I see is that the puddle jumper is stealthed, so it is quite questionable, the Daedalus would even see him.

Asgard Science Ship > Stealth...

Probably.

Ancient Stealth > Asgard Science Ship...

Probably.

I very much dobut that.

[Dahak]

Asgard Science Ship > Stealth...

Probably.

Ancient Stealth > Asgard Science Ship...

Probably.

I very much dobut that.

And why?
Asgard are advanced, but the Ancient tech is even more so.

[Chris OFarrell]

Ancient Stealth > Asgard Science Ship...

Probably.

I very much dobut that.

And why?
Asgard are advanced, but the Ancient tech is even more so.

Not really. In more then a few ways the Asgard are quite arguably more advanded then the Asgard. The fact is that they have been FORCED to keep evoloving and advancing to fight the replicators means that they have not been static in their technological development.

Asgard hyperdrives are arguably WAY faster then anything the Ancients posess, given that they were waiting for Evacuation transports to return from locations Pegasus for some time, Asgard level Hyperdrives would take seconds to cross such distances.

As far as can be seen, Ancient cloak technology as far as can be seen is identical to that of Goa'uld cloaking tech. Same visual distortion when cloaking/decloaking, hell the Goa'uld probably just lifted it from some Ancient technology. Asgard sensors see right through Goa'uld cloaking technology without problems. They also have personal cloaking technology for that matter.

Asgard transporters are point to point transporters without the need for equipment on either end, unlike the ancients Rings or those transporter rooms (which probably just have rings built into the walls more or less). They have a range upto Galactic (possibly TRANS Galactic) distances when used between two Asgard transporter systems. They can also destroy Pyrmyid sized structures in a matter of seconds, remove personal items such as weapons and armour vests.

The Asgard have medical technology able to bring someone back to life who has been zatted three times many minuites afterward in a matter of seconds. Their cloning technology is also preaty advanced (and the plauge that took down the Ancients empire can be healed by a Goa'uld symboyte)

Don't forget the shield grid they built for the Prometheus. That ship took a HELL of a pounding from a bigass Goa'uld capital ship, God knows how many times its volume, running off an Al'Kesh reactor.

Oh and their holographic tech is rather impressive to say the least. It lets the user, even when protected through a Stargate with a closed iris, see all around them and what is going on. Ba'als Goa'uld sensors couldn't see into the Ancients chamber in 'Reckoning', didn't even know it existed. But the Asgard technology there let him see the entire thing no problems, getting around the Ancients ECM easily enough. Oh and their communications are Trans Galactic FTL without needing a Stargate or anything.

They can generate time dialation fields with a radius measured in fractions of light years.

They can artificaly collapse stars into *black holes*


The Ancients are advanced yes. But I think a LOT of people underestimate just how advanced the Asgard really are. The Ancients big advnatage is that they spent so much time researching....well.....EVERYTHING that their knowledgebase is just titanic. Thats why the Asgard needed O'Neill and his database so much, to see if there was some research they could use in there to defeat the Replicators. Even so it was an Ancient/Asgard hybrid weapon that Asgard were able to instantly understand and improve upon once they saw it. Its like someone showed them the concept and they went 'Ohhh so THATS what it does', then bang, Thor made a gigantic version of the weapon that wipped planets clean.

[NecronLord]

Asgard hyperdrives are arguably WAY faster then anything the Ancients posess, given that they were waiting for Evacuation transports to return from locations Pegasus for some time, Asgard level Hyperdrives would take seconds to cross such distances.

It is likely they were waiting for the transports to be fully loaded, not travel. The modifications made by O'Neill to the Tel'tak engines produced something quite capable of crossing Pegasus in minutes at best.

The Asgard have medical technology able to bring someone back to life who has been zatted three times many minuites afterward in a matter of seconds.

I'm sorry, when did they do that?

For the record, though there is no hard evidence in the series, I'm 99% sure from the various interviews and so on that the writers of the series intend there to be little doubt that the Asgard are technologically inferior to the Ancients, but that's a literary argument.

[Luzifer's right hand]

I'm sorry, when did they do that?

The alternative universe Asgard from the Point of view did that IIRC.

[Zac Naloen]

I'm sorry, when did they do that?

The alternative universe Asgard from the Point of view did that IIRC.

that was shot twice, not three times. after being shot three times you disintegrate.

[Luzifer's right hand]

I'm sorry, when did they do that?

The alternative universe Asgard from the Point of view did that IIRC.

that was shot twice, not three times. after being shot three times you disintegrate.

You are right.
I just watched the episode again.
Faster than a sarcophagus or the ancient cube thing though.

[NecronLord]

Restarting an essentially good body that's had it's nervous system fried is almost certainly easier than repairing tissue damage.

More to the point, if one argues with this technology, one has to accept 200 megaton goa'uld weapons and staff weapons that punch holes in SGC blast doors the size of my head.

[Chris OFarrell]

It is likely they were waiting for the transports to be fully loaded, not travel. The modifications made by O'Neill to the Tel'tak engines produced something quite capable of crossing Pegasus in minutes at best.

Actualy the Tel'Tac can't accelerate very fast while inside a Galaxy. It took them hours to cross sub Galactic distances in 'The Lost City' with it. And extra Galactic it would take days to get to the Asgards Galaxy. Thor moved 1500 light years in about 5 seconds in 'unatural selection'. Granted it doesn't necessarly dispute the Ancients themselves, but I think the quotes were explicate that the transports were on the way and they were waiting for them, not that they were still loading people up.

The Asgard have medical technology able to bring someone back to life who has been zatted three times many minuites afterward in a matter of seconds.

I'm sorry, when did they do that?

In 'Point of View'. Granted its an alternate reality, but the technology looked generaly the same in the two universes...

For the record, though there is no hard evidence in the series, I'm 99% sure from the various interviews and so on that the writers of the series intend there to be little doubt that the Asgard are technologically inferior to the Ancients, but that's a literary argument.

Oh I know. But its a stupid idea. For the 'Allience of 4' to work, you would reailisticly have to have something approaching technical parity between the four races. And the Asgard have been advancing and improving through the years, they have been forced to go over the top thanks to the Replicators.

[NecronLord]

I think the quotes were explicate that the transports were on the way and they were waiting for them, not that they were still loading people up.

Or perhaps they were a bit agitated, as they indeed seemed to be, and didn't care to be ultra specific when talking to the primative from the future.

By the by, according to some recently published art the Daedelus is not an BC-303 but a BC-304. It looks considerably more advanced.

[Xon]

Restarting an essentially good body that's had it's nervous system fried is almost certainly easier than repairing tissue damage.

The Ancients were able to put Wier back together after the puddlejumper she was in was blown up in low orbit, and after the Ancients scrapped her off the ocean floor.

And she woke up without noticing a thing of that.

That is impressive.

More to the point, if one argues with this technology, one has to accept 200 megaton goa'uld weapons and staff weapons that punch holes in SGC blast doors the size of my head.

I can always accept that


IIRC, they said the goa'uld weapons were the equivalent of a 200mt blast. Not that the goa'uld weapons outputed 200mts of energy.