Cylon Witch Hunt

[Noble Ire]

Unless im totally mistaken: Cylons are essentially human, at the very least they are incredably intelligent, but not infallable, which leads me to conclude that there are many different factions, possibly one group is working to aid the Fleet, why not?....They were created by humans, and humans have an incredible history of fighting among themselves, why would the Cylons be different?

Yes, but I seem to recall Six's spine glowing while she was "having fun" during the miniseries, and last time I checked, our bones don't glow, no matter how much fun we are having.

Boomer's spine is luminescent too, so its not just one of Baltar's delusions as some have suggested.

[CaptJodan]

If it isn't Greeta, then Moore is doing a good job at setting us up for someone else. The evidence is just so overwhelming in his favor. Saving Baltar by getting the proper evidence at the moment he repetend to God. The miss jump, the Cylon virus, and if true, the handshake. I've always wondered about that moment too.

When we got back in season 2, Boomer was screaming "What happened" as if she didn't know what she had just done. We know that the Boomer model has a bit of a soft touch when it comes to the humans. She had tried to kill herself thinking she was what she was. Later in the brig, she just wanted for someone to just go and kill her, to get it over with. She seemed relieved that she hadn't succeeded. To me, Boomer would never have done the job on her own.

Enter Greeta. In close proximity to Boomer, he might have been able to influence her somehow. The handshake may have been a means to send some kind of quick message "Kill Adama" which she then did, only afterwards, seemed not to know what happened (But figured it out eventually).

Baltar being a Cylon WOULD be stupid. They're still trying to follow more or less the original format, and the traitor of a real human in their midst is far more appealing than Baltar being a Cylon. It destroys the tradedy of the character, and just makes him yet another toaster.

I just can't see Dee being a Toaster either. Damn it, we've got to have someone aboard that's half normal. Dee seems like the closest person. I thought Cally was, but she had a bit of trauma that sent her over the edge. Dee's got a good head on her shoulders, but I just can't see her as a Cylon. The evidence isn't there. She was just telling Adama how much he'd fucked up. She'd probably been wanting to say stuff like that for quite some time. Who wouldn't, between his rantings and Tigh's drinking.

I vote Greeta.

[HemlockGrey]

Dude, you're going to give the Anal Retentetive Brigade a heart attack.

[Pcm979]

Good old Greeta. I never knew he was a human military officer before becoming an alien bounty hunter.

[xerex]

Unless im totally mistaken: Cylons are essentially human, at the very least they are incredably intelligent, but not infallable, which leads me to conclude that there are many different factions, possibly one group is working to aid the Fleet, why not?....They were created by humans, and humans have an incredible history of fighting among themselves, why would the Cylons be different?

Yes, but I seem to recall Six's spine glowing while she was "having fun" during the miniseries, and last time I checked, our bones don't glow, no matter how much fun we are having.

yeah their spines glow. but what does that have to do with their intentions?

[spikenigma]

My own thoughts on this issue are, surely Baltar would have checked the bridge crew of the galactica first, and with Cylon duplicity, you'd think somebody would be checking over his work.

When Tigh's wife was tested, didn't six make the comment to Baltar "if only they knew, everybody passes these tests", which suggests to me that she is one. Not to mention her manipulation of Tigh while he was in charge, looked very deliberate to me

Jaraks right hand man (played Raiden in MKII) is OBVIOUSLY a Cylon. That (relatively) high profile an actor isn't going to have such a small role - it's just like when I saw doctor simon, he (the actor) always seems to play duplicitous characters, I just knew he was up to no good within 10 seconds of him being on the screen.

my list would be:

1. Boomer (japanese/chinese hottie)
2. Leoben Conoy (cylon who claimed to predict the future)
3. Six (Baltars gf)
4. The cylon who was part of the tour group who blew himself up
5. Dr Simon (evil looking black guy with large scary eyes)
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6. Lt Gaeta (for the reasons most people have said)
7. Tighs wife (six's test comment, her manipulation)
8. Jaraks second in command (high-profile actor, manipulation of Jarak - an obvious cylon, in fact THE most obvious)
9. Laura Roslyns assistant (he's always in view a loyal lapdog, but wanted to stay on Galactica)
10. Doctor Cole (my spikey sense is tingling, there seems to be a concerted effort to show how human and tired he is whenever he is on screen)
11. random person no.1
12. random person no.2

[Uraniun235]

I heard a really great theory elsewhere that anyone who's fucked a Cylon is very probably not a Cylon themselves.

[InnocentBystander]

Unless im totally mistaken: Cylons are essentially human, at the very least they are incredably intelligent, but not infallable, which leads me to conclude that there are many different factions, possibly one group is working to aid the Fleet, why not?....They were created by humans, and humans have an incredible history of fighting among themselves, why would the Cylons be different?

Yes, but I seem to recall Six's spine glowing while she was "having fun" during the miniseries, and last time I checked, our bones don't glow, no matter how much fun we are having.

yeah their spines glow. but what does that have to do with their intentions?

Their intentions? Nothing, but it does very disticntly separate them from humans. Now that'd make a rather interesting method for cylon testing

I heard a really great theory elsewhere that anyone who's fucked a Cylon is very probably not a Cylon themselves.

Not a bad idea, but how many people does that rule out? Just Baltar, if I recall correctly. We'd have to see the spine during the act in order to definatly say that one of them is a Clyon, and thus that the other is not a cylon.

8. Jaraks second in command (high-profile actor, manipulation of Jarak - an obvious cylon, in fact THE most obvious)
9. Laura Roslyns assistant (he's always in view a loyal lapdog, but wanted to stay on Galactica)
10. Doctor Cole (my spikey sense is tingling, there seems to be a concerted effort to show how human and tired he is whenever he is on screen)

I'm going to guess that Jaraks = Zarek, Billy is Laura Roslin's assistant, and Doctor Cottle is the only good/real doctor left in the fleet, as far as we have seen.

Zarek's new pal, IMDB says is named Mr. Meyer or Meier, definatly struck me as the Cylon type.
Billy, no way. I'll be very surprised if Billy turns out to be a Cylon. I would think that if he were a Cylon, he'd want to go with her on her little religious crusade. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
I sorta doubt Doc Cottle is a toaster... you'd think that if he were a cylon he wouldn't have saved Adama.

[Skylon]

Question,

Can we guess at all when Cylons started infiltrating colonial society in Neo-BSG? So far the only thing I think we have to go on is Adama's note that Boomer was aboard Galactica for two years.

[Beowulf]

Question,

Can we guess at all when Cylons started infiltrating colonial society in Neo-BSG? So far the only thing I think we have to go on is Adama's note that Boomer was aboard Galactica for two years.

Then there's pilot training, which probably another 2 years. Also need to be able to successfully integrate her with society. Couple more years there.

[Uraniun235]

I heard a really great theory elsewhere that anyone who's fucked a Cylon is very probably not a Cylon themselves.

Not a bad idea, but how many people does that rule out? Just Baltar, if I recall correctly. We'd have to see the spine during the act in order to definatly say that one of them is a Clyon, and thus that the other is not a cylon.

That also rules out the Chief (who slept with Boomer) and Helo (who also slept with Boomer).

[InnocentBystander]

I heard a really great theory elsewhere that anyone who's fucked a Cylon is very probably not a Cylon themselves.

Not a bad idea, but how many people does that rule out? Just Baltar, if I recall correctly. We'd have to see the spine during the act in order to definatly say that one of them is a Clyon, and thus that the other is not a cylon.

That also rules out the Chief (who slept with Boomer) and Helo (who also slept with Boomer).

So really, that theory applies to, in the case of Boomer, her quest for love. Six seems to just like the nasty, so perhaps that rules out Baltar, but the idea has been put forth that Baltar was replaced with a Cylon after the nukes went off on Caprica. Since Six has not done it with the Baltar seen after the blast, we can never be sure.

[StarshipTitanic]

Question,

Can we guess at all when Cylons started infiltrating colonial society in Neo-BSG? So far the only thing I think we have to go on is Adama's note that Boomer was aboard Galactica for two years.

If Boomer's orphan story is true, she was raised by humans since being created.

[Skylon]

Question,

Can we guess at all when Cylons started infiltrating colonial society in Neo-BSG? So far the only thing I think we have to go on is Adama's note that Boomer was aboard Galactica for two years.

If Boomer's orphan story is true, she was raised by humans since being created.

I suspect its false, unless its proven that the Cylon-human models can visibly age as humans do.

My guess is armed with false documents about her background, education etc she was sent into pilot training/officer candidate school. So, as Beowolf said, figure maybe 4-6 years minimum.

[Nephtys]

Question,

Can we guess at all when Cylons started infiltrating colonial society in Neo-BSG? So far the only thing I think we have to go on is Adama's note that Boomer was aboard Galactica for two years.

If Boomer's orphan story is true, she was raised by humans since being created.

Unless a Human!Boomer was replaced in the recent past. Like if the 12 humanform Cylons are modeled after real humans. That doesn't seem too likely however, given the nature of the 12 from what we've figured so far (hard to create new types, thus the breeding experiments?).

[Tsyroc]

yeah their spines glow. but what does that have to do with their intentions?

I suggested in one of the other threads that Baltar would love testing all the women in this fashion. Even with rest he'd probably be able to test more women more quickly than his scientific test does.


On the topic of people being Cylons. Since there are only supposed to be 12 models doesn't it seem unlikely that there would have been more than one officially stationed on Galactica before the Cylon attack? I just figure the military would notice if several of their people looked the same unless there was some story about them being identical twins. Even with that wouldn't the Cylons want to spread their agents around the fleet and not have them all on one ship? The odds just seem against there being a lot of Cylons onboard Galactica as members of the crew. Unless they really can copy people, and/or whether Six' comment about 12 models is accurate or not.

That Boomer was on the Galactica and the News guy was also there seems like either a mistake or an extreme coincidence.

The other thing I'm hoping is that the Cylon plan isn't so detailed that they preplanned Galactica being the suriving ship from Day 1.

[DPDarkPrimus]

So really, that theory applies to, in the case of Boomer, her quest for love. Six seems to just like the nasty, so perhaps that rules out Baltar, but the idea has been put forth that Baltar was replaced with a Cylon after the nukes went off on Caprica. Since Six has not done it with the Baltar seen after the blast, we can never be sure.

Well, the fantasy Six certainly has done it with him...

[CaptJodan]

Well, I was pretty sure pre-last night episode that Baltar wasn't a Cylon, but now I'm far less sure. I may not like it, but it seems as if that's the possibility in where this is going. We've ruled out a chip in his head (and I don't believe that this story would cheat the audience so much as to make it just undetectable), and we can definately assume that it's not his sub-conscious, as it knows things that he would never be able to figure out on his own even with his above average intelligence. There may be another explaination for what was going on there, but I don't know what it is. (I can't imagine this is another mechanismless God trick, there's got to be something, Six just doesn't want to tell him)

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

I'm not sure about the "8 in fleet" number. Galactica Boomer had identity issues, how could she suddenly know the numbers of Cylon personnell by mere "subconsciousness" while she was obviously wide awake during the interrogation?

Off Topic: Grace Park is Korean, not Japanese/Chinese.

[LadyTevar]

Well, I was pretty sure pre-last night episode that Baltar wasn't a Cylon, but now I'm far less sure. I may not like it, but it seems as if that's the possibility in where this is going. We've ruled out a chip in his head (and I don't believe that this story would cheat the audience so much as to make it just undetectable), and we can definately assume that it's not his sub-conscious, as it knows things that he would never be able to figure out on his own even with his above average intelligence. There may be another explaination for what was going on there, but I don't know what it is. (I can't imagine this is another mechanismless God trick, there's got to be something, Six just doesn't want to tell him)

I think someone pointed out in the episode thread that Cylon 'chips' would more than likely be wetware, which we already know is next to impossible to tell from human tissue. So it might be Six fucking with him, making him think 'microchip'=metalic/plastic shows up on CatScan, when it's a more subtle knot of tissue that could be mistaken as a 'natural fold'.

[The Dark]

I'm not sure about the "8 in fleet" number. Galactica Boomer had identity issues, how could she suddenly know the numbers of Cylon personnell by mere "subconsciousness" while she was obviously wide awake during the interrogation?

As I said . I felt it suspicious that she said "eight" right after Baltar counted down "ten, nine..." Given that it was basically interrogation under torture-by-proxy, any information gathered is suspect.

[Aeolus]

Well, I was pretty sure pre-last night episode that Baltar wasn't a Cylon, but now I'm far less sure. I may not like it, but it seems as if that's the possibility in where this is going. We've ruled out a chip in his head (and I don't believe that this story would cheat the audience so much as to make it just undetectable), and we can definately assume that it's not his sub-conscious, as it knows things that he would never be able to figure out on his own even with his above average intelligence. There may be another explaination for what was going on there, but I don't know what it is. (I can't imagine this is another mechanismless God trick, there's got to be something, Six just doesn't want to tell him)

I think someone pointed out in the episode thread that Cylon 'chips' would more than likely be wetware, which we already know is next to impossible to tell from human tissue. So it might be Six fucking with him, making him think 'microchip'=metalic/plastic shows up on CatScan, when it's a more subtle knot of tissue that could be mistaken as a 'natural fold'.

While I agree that a Cylon chip would probably be wetware I imagine that the scanning was Mr Moores way of telling us that she isn't a cylon in his head. Have you consifered the possibility that she is telling the truth (well atleast not telling a complete lie.)? Maybe she is an Angel/Demon of some sort. Or an agent of Iblis or even Iblis it's self.

[InnocentBystander]

Who is Iblis?

[Old Plympto]

Who is Iblis?

Count Iblis according to the original series explained here.

[CaptJodan]

As far as I can remember, Moore hasn't done one of those gimmicy switcheroo's in which he shows you one thing and then pulls the rug out from under you and says "Ha ha, I was lying all along". I think the catscan was designed for us to discount that possibilty, and I don't think that he's going to come back and say that it was some technobabble reason for why they couldn't detect it. It's not really Moore's style to date. I think there's a third reason this is going on.

While I don't mind the idea that it could be portrayed one way as a God like being interfering with Balter's life, I would also like there to be a logical-ish explaination for it, as he's done more or less throughout the series thus far. That's more or less how the world works today, and that seems to be what Moore has been going for thus far. (IE, you survive a car crash because it's a miricle from God, or you survive because modern technology helped you to survive. Two outlooks on the same issue.)