SG1 911: The Fourth Horseman 2/2

[Soontir C'boath]

I'm glad the full intro is back

I found it kinda weak. The begining is obviusly CGI on a level I haven't seen since Babylon 5,

The CGI stuff looked like it came from the game. Though why the heck they would use it is beyond me considering it's been halted.

[Darth Yoshi]

Maybe they figured it'd be waste to not use the rendered models?

Not a bad ep, especially the Daniel/Mitchell interplay during the interrogation. The fact that the Prior was able to adapt to the device is distressing, but it's possible the device can still be used as a temporary measure to even the odds in combat.

[Axis Kast]

Where is O'Neil? Is he coming back?

[DesertFly]

I don't think he adapted to the device. IIRC, the device was meant to jam the signals that let him control his staff, which gives him all his uber-powers. But he's perfectly capable of doing small scale tk and plague generating things on his own.

Also, I thought it was too rushed with Garak, the way that he went from semi-bad, to outright bad, to heroically sacrificing himself in one episode. I wished they'd kept him around. To be honest, I enjoyed the political intriuge on Dakara and was hoping to see more of Garak's scheming.

Finally, did anyone else think that Garak was healing the whole world at the end when it had the shots with the blue light going everywhere, or was that just me?

[Alyeska]

Dammit, I missed this when the first part was on before Xmas, ironically, when I was down with a bloody awful cold. How'd they solve the virus problem then?

Gerak betrayed the Priors, and self-immolated afterward.

BA, this thread is the discussion of the episode in question, why spoilerize it?

[SCVN 2812]

I don't think he adapted to the device. IIRC, the device was meant to jam the signals that let him control his staff, which gives him all his uber-powers. But he's perfectly capable of doing small scale tk and plague generating things on his own.

Also, I thought it was too rushed with Garak, the way that he went from semi-bad, to outright bad, to heroically sacrificing himself in one episode. I wished they'd kept him around. To be honest, I enjoyed the political intriuge on Dakara and was hoping to see more of Garak's scheming.

Finally, did anyone else think that Garak was healing the whole world at the end when it had the shots with the blue light going everywhere, or was that just me?

Specifically the device is meant to break their concentration by targeting a specific part of the brain. I had a feeling about what smoking man was doing as soon as he started preaching, he was meditating out loud for lack of a better term, trying to regain his focus and fight off the effects of the device. After several hours he was able to regain some of his natural Prior abilities. Basically he built up a tolerance because they kept him awake and under constant exposure to the device so they could interrogate him. That's my 2 cents at least. The device is good at delaying a Prior but as he showed well, a strong willed one can and will begin to regain his abilities if you let him.

[Elheru Aran]

Where is O'Neil? Is he coming back?

Running Homeland Security, IIRC, with the unwritten addition of planetary security as well; Hammond retired, as you can tell by him in civvies later on in the episode.

Finally, did anyone else think that Garak was healing the whole world at the end when it had the shots with the blue light going everywhere, or was that just me?

Not just you, no. But I did wonder when we didn't see the light going beyond the mountain, just inside it. Later on they explain that from the healed people inside the mountain they were able to make a vaccine and distribute it around the world, halting the pandemic.

[Alyeska]

I don't know that Hammond is retired. I think he's taken a new posting. He might not be AF anymore, but he is heavily involved with the Pentagon still.

[NecronLord]

That was interesting, but I do hope the Ascended get off their asses and do something. Preferably crush the Orii - it seems that Danny thinks that the Orii can't take them in a straight fight, which would be logical; otherwise the Orii would just kill the Ancients and extert their powers in the Milky Way freely - or at least deal with their weapons.

[Beowulf]

I don't know that Hammond is retired. I think he's taken a new posting. He might not be AF anymore, but he is heavily involved with the Pentagon still.

Probably retired, and then took another civilian position. Get pension plus pay that way.

[Zed Snardbody]

I don't think he adapted to the device. IIRC, the device was meant to jam the signals that let him control his staff, which gives him all his uber-powers. But he's perfectly capable of doing small scale tk and plague generating things on his own.

Also, I thought it was too rushed with Garak, the way that he went from semi-bad, to outright bad, to heroically sacrificing himself in one episode. I wished they'd kept him around. To be honest, I enjoyed the political intriuge on Dakara and was hoping to see more of Garak's scheming.

Finally, did anyone else think that Garak was healing the whole world at the end when it had the shots with the blue light going everywhere, or was that just me?

Specifically the device is meant to break their concentration by targeting a specific part of the brain. I had a feeling about what smoking man was doing as soon as he started preaching, he was meditating out loud for lack of a better term, trying to regain his focus and fight off the effects of the device. After several hours he was able to regain some of his natural Prior abilities. Basically he built up a tolerance because they kept him awake and under constant exposure to the device so they could interrogate him. That's my 2 cents at least. The device is good at delaying a Prior but as he showed well, a strong willed one can and will begin to regain his abilities if you let him.

I don't think it's anything like that. He's being confronted by someone that ammounts to the devil for him, telling him about his life, bassicly pushing all the right buttons. He's pissed and that huge ammount of anger lets him focus and concentrate enough to overcome the device.

[Soontir C'boath]

That was interesting, but I do hope the Ascended get off their asses and do something. Preferably crush the Orii - it seems that Danny thinks that the Orii can't take them in a straight fight, which would be logical; otherwise the Orii would just kill the Ancients and extert their powers in the Milky Way freely - or at least deal with their weapons.

Now here's a question that's been running through my head. If the Ori relies on people being submissive to them for power, then what do the Ancients rely on?

[Prozac the Robert]

Now here's a question that's been running through my head. If the Ori relies on people being submissive to them for power, then what do the Ancients rely on?

My guess is that ancients only have their intrinsic power, but that there are more of them.

[Luzifer's right hand]

That was interesting, but I do hope the Ascended get off their asses and do something. Preferably crush the Orii - it seems that Danny thinks that the Orii can't take them in a straight fight, which would be logical; otherwise the Orii would just kill the Ancients and extert their powers in the Milky Way freely - or at least deal with their weapons.

They said the Orii are coming in the episode IIRC. Maybe they need more belivers in the Milky Way.
Ascended travel speed does not seem very fast as the one in Atlantis used the Stargate, it seems possible that they need one of the big stargates to get enough Orii at once into the Milky Way.

[Xon]

Now here's a question that's been running through my head. If the Ori relies on people being submissive to them for power, then what do the Ancients rely on?

Raw technological capability from before they Ascended. The device generating over 12 ZPMs worth of energy at 40% power is impressive, having the Ascended use those would be a posibility.

[SCVN 2812]

I don't think he adapted to the device. IIRC, the device was meant to jam the signals that let him control his staff, which gives him all his uber-powers. But he's perfectly capable of doing small scale tk and plague generating things on his own.

Also, I thought it was too rushed with Garak, the way that he went from semi-bad, to outright bad, to heroically sacrificing himself in one episode. I wished they'd kept him around. To be honest, I enjoyed the political intriuge on Dakara and was hoping to see more of Garak's scheming.

Finally, did anyone else think that Garak was healing the whole world at the end when it had the shots with the blue light going everywhere, or was that just me?

Specifically the device is meant to break their concentration by targeting a specific part of the brain. I had a feeling about what smoking man was doing as soon as he started preaching, he was meditating out loud for lack of a better term, trying to regain his focus and fight off the effects of the device. After several hours he was able to regain some of his natural Prior abilities. Basically he built up a tolerance because they kept him awake and under constant exposure to the device so they could interrogate him. That's my 2 cents at least. The device is good at delaying a Prior but as he showed well, a strong willed one can and will begin to regain his abilities if you let him.

I don't think it's anything like that. He's being confronted by someone that ammounts to the devil for him, telling him about his life, bassicly pushing all the right buttons. He's pissed and that huge ammount of anger lets him focus and concentrate enough to overcome the device.

I didn't read it like that at first but its an equally valid interpretation. Most likely anything that can bring focus, sustained chanting or rage can break through the noise enough to tap into their natural abilities.

[Tychu]

It was a good mid season premier for both shows. I thank SCi-Fi for playing all the latest episodes of both series the week before. I like how some of the Jaffa that turned to the Ori before are starting to see what they were doing

[Dalton]

I'm impressed with the new opens.

[ngc7293]

I kind of wish they had been slower with the Pandemic. Perhaps they could have spread it out over several episodes. Although I think it had to do with money, it would have been nice to keep Gerak for those several episodes.
It becomes another show that saves the day in the last ten minutes of the episode.

Even though, I liked it. I liked the part at the end with the kid. I read a double meaning into that puzzle. The edges of the puzzle being what he sacrificed his mind to do and the inside. The inside being his mind which Sam would help him fix.

[NecronLord]

Ascended travel speed does not seem very fast as the one in Atlantis used the Stargate, it seems possible that they need one of the big stargates to get enough Orii at once into the Milky Way.

Danny could skip around quite happily without any use of the stargate. Though he seems to have perhaps been more powerful in some ways than a 'stock' Ascended, given that he, unlike Oma, according to the Full Circle commentry, could have easily and totally destroyed Anubis. Maybe he's just better at violence than the Ancients.

[Xon]

Danny could skip around quite happily without any use of the stargate. Though he seems to have perhaps been more powerful in some ways than a 'stock' Ascended, given that he, unlike Oma, according to the Full Circle commentry, could have easily and totally destroyed Anubis. Maybe he's just better at violence than the Ancients.

I thought Oma didnt want to destroy Anubis, since the other Ascended would inturn destroy her. I'll have to look at the DVD & the commentary on it now that I have it.

[NecronLord]

I thought Oma didnt want to destroy Anubis, since the other Ascended would inturn destroy her. I'll have to look at the DVD & the commentary on it now that I have it.

Oma yanked him away, but Anubis would otherwise have been destroyed, and they were disappointed that they couldn't get Anubis (because of the mask) cowering appropriately. Perhaps Danny's great experience of killing things as a mortal somehow made him better at it than Oma ultimately was.

[Zac Naloen]

I think oma used the stargate that first time because she had the baby with her, he was too young to ascend so he had to be transported manually.

[NecronLord]

It's always possible they preffer using the least energy-intensive method.

[Axis Kast]

Wait.

So is O'Neil coming back, or is he permenently relegated to brief apparances in a handful of episodes? Ditto Hammond.

Suddenly wrenching them out of the picture seems odd. Did they abandon the SG series?