Uraniun235 wrote:Not surprised; the TNG writing team didn't know how they were going to resolve Star Trek TNG Best of Both Worlds when it aired either.
I was very disappointed that Baltar didn't even think to ask the Cylons just what it was they wanted.
So long as RDM and his writers are willing to be bold with their plots, I think they'll manage to keep the story fresh and dynamic. I only hope they can sustain it and end the series when they feel they can't be fresh any longer.
I was somewhat surprised Baltar didn't ask any questions, but previously whenever Baltar was confronted with overwhelming authority he normally became acquiescent.
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
its makeup and padding, dude, the carrachter was on garrison duty for a year
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You know, watching this finale made me realise something: I really don't give a damn if the Cylons wipe all these people out. I know I said last week that I'd keep watching the show if they settled on the planet, but even though on the surface it looks like they've changed everything, I just can't shake the feeling that all we're in for next year and however many years the show continues to run for is the same old shit that we've been seeing up to this point, just dragged out longer. I was considering catching next season's premiere just to see how this season's cliffhanger is resolved, but remembering how long they took to do the same this year I don't think I'll bother.
Farewell, BSG. In the '70s you were a cheesy, often badly written but still fun sci-fi series, full of potential that was never realised, and now, in the 21st century, you're a ponderous, overly self-important piece of crap that managed to pull off some surprisingly good episodes early on, considering that they'd gutted nearly everything interesting out of the original premise, but is now simply no longer worth my time.
"Stop! No one can survive these deadly rays!"
"These deadly rays will be your death!"
- Thor and Akton, Starcrash
"Before man reaches the moon your mail will be delivered within hours from New York to California, to England, to India or to Australia by guided missiles.... We stand on the threshold of rocket mail."
- Arthur Summerfield, US Postmaster General 1953 - 1961
Mayabird is my girlfriend
Justice League:BotM:MM:SDnet City Watch:Cybertron's Finest "Well then, science is bullshit. "
-revprez, with yet another brilliant rebuttal.
Drooling Iguana wrote:but is now simply no longer worth my time.
Goodbye then, and don't let the door hit you in the ass.
All hail EJO-Adama!
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
He feels alienated from the show because he can't relate to the Colonials as a people. He might think the Colonials are one long sermon on the evils of society or technology or something he disagrees with. Whatever the reason, it offends him.
"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me...God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist." -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov
"Hal grabs life by the balls and doesn't let you do that [to] hal."
"I hereby declare myself master of the known world."
StarshipTitanic wrote:He feels alienated from the show because he can't relate to the Colonials as a people. He might think the Colonials are one long sermon on the evils of society or technology or something he disagrees with. Whatever the reason, it offends him.
Yeah, the Colonials are the sermon against technology. And look who arrived in the end and beat them. The nice shiny Cylons (that made a nice counterpoint, the shiny troops marching through the dirty and rusty city) who care enough about the metal to walk around a burning oil drum.
While the Colonials who embrace technology (those who stayed in the fleet) managed to get away to fight another day.
The way the original mini-series glowing spine Six was looking at Baltar.... I felt almost sorry for her. She really does think he would be grateful or pleasantly surprised by her arrival, not knowing he has had her "company" in his mind for almost two years (assuming she showed up in his mind once in a while on New Caprica in the interim). Can't wait to see her discovering what a total sleazebag he's degenerated into, plus what the things in their minds truly are.
Since we aren't told what their intentions were, and assuming those are Caprica Six and the original Sharon Valerii, they actually might be there on a mission of peace.
I'm betting the Three killed by Six in "Downloaded" and her faction are hot on their heels and that's the real threat next season.
Never, ever watch the teasers at the start of the show.
B.)
Take nothing for granted.
This is easily one of the best episodes of television, of any genre, that I have ever seen. The last 30 minutes went by so fast (I didn't see the episode on Friday, but had recorded it), and I also caught myself watching the explosion of the Cloud Nine 4 or 5 times. Quite frankly the visuals of this televison show are easily the equal to if not supassing the best stuff from ROTS. Nice little tie-in of the wreckage hitting the "camera" with a similar (though less violent) shot seen in the beginning of the mini when the station is destroyed by the Basestar.
Remeber, never, EVER watch the teasers. I even kept myself from looking at the teasers from the next episode.
I think you hit the nail on its head: possible Cylon civil war. To paraphrase Six or Boomer from download, "We're outsiders in a world that demands conformity." While Al2 mentions that the heroes have had enormous sway, this, along with abandoning the colonies, may not be the whole and complete truth of the matter.
Sidenote: I'll check when I download the episode later, but were the centurions that entered Hooverville silver and not the usual bronze?
And just for the hell of it....
Baltar: Did you somehow implant your persona in my mind.
Six: What?
Baltar: It's just that since the destruction of the colonies, I been seeing and talking to you, well, a vision of you, guiding and instructing me on my part in um, God's plan.
Six: No.
Baltar: No?! Really?
Six: Yes. But I also have been seeing you. What do you think it means?
Baltar: I don't know. Let's have sex and see if that helps.
Happily married gay couples with closets full of assault weapons. That's my vision for America
Phil Skayhan wrote:Sidenote: I'll check when I download the episode later, but were the centurions that entered Hooverville silver and not the usual bronze?
I think they've always been silver/light gray, as shown on Armistice Station and the restaurant where Helo and Boomer hid in the first season. We think them as bronze because we see them outdoors on Caprica A LOT with that yellow filter thingamajig on every scene.
Something I was wondering about: why did Gina have Baltar stay with her? She appeared to still have her aversion to physical contact; she must have had a good reason to subject herself to that, then. What was it?
Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Something I was wondering about: why did Gina have Baltar stay with her? She appeared to still have her aversion to physical contact; she must have had a good reason to subject herself to that, then. What was it?
My feeling is that with the Ressurection Ship gone, she knew that once the nuke went off, it was game over once and for all. Since the Six's were engineered with a greater focus on sexuality, it's possible that she wanted to experience it one last time before the big boom.
It's interesting that Tigh was involved in the attempt to rig the election- I remember back at the beginning of the season how he scoffed at Roslin's religious nuttery. I guess he decided lesser of two evils. He's always thought Baltar was a "shifty bastard".
Baltar's tears when the Cloud 9 was destroyed (along with at least three other ships)- does anyone think he was crying only for Pegasus-Six rather than anyone else?
Fuck it, general thoughts:
- it's damn irresponsible to have the Galactica (and presumably the Pegasus) running orbital patrol without enough crew to fly a decent CAP, to say nothing of training new pilots. Of course, it's still my hope that the fools managed to fix the starboard flight pod and build the new Vipers that were a result of the find in "Scar", but who knows ...
- what was "a long time ago" between Starbuck and Apollo? Flashback time!
- is that chick with Roslin in the school the adopted mother of Helo/Sharon's child? EDIT: never mind, yes. And she's hot!
I get the feeling that the orbital patrol is more of a formality. I imagine that they probably thought they were safe from the Cylons.
Now for replies I have yet to address:
Tasty critters: The fact that a vendor was selling what appeared to be meat, seems to indicate that the survey teams were in fact wrong about the lack of animals.
Hooverville (I love historical reference): Judging by the Anders' bed, it doesn't look like blankets are hard to come by. Baltar's primary concern after colonization should've been getting an industrial base up, which would've made upgrading the colony from tents to actual structures easier. Inorder to build wooden houses, they would need axes, saws, hammers, nails and such, meaning blacksmiths and lumbermills. They could recycle the metal from the larger ships until another source could be found. Hell, even for agriculture, they'll need wood & metal tools.
The apparent lack of beasts of burden is going to bite them in the ass. Plowing fields, transporting felled trees and uprooting stumps and traveling long distances is going to be difficult. True, they could use Raptors for the last one and possibly the second, but eventually those puppies are gonna run out of fuel and you'd want to save em for something important.
As for the low techiness: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just because its science fiction, doesn't mean things like steps have to hover. Plus, it just doesn't fit the style Ron Moore has envisioned. Finally, it something works and has worked well for a long time, then why change it unless it needs it? Take the axe, for example. It can cut down a tree, remove the limbs and branches and cut the tree into logs. It can also be used as a hammer and a fearsome weapon. Yet, in the countless millennia since its creation, it has hardly changed, save for the variants and materials used in its construction.
"It was the hooker rationing that finally drove people over the edge." - Mike on coup in Thailand.
Its some sort of makeup (per podcast). They decided to have each character change in some way, so you have longhaired Starbuck, mustached Adama, Lt. Dee, and fat Apollo. Considering that they mention that the "fat" makeup was something not very practical, and that they hint that there will be another leap foward in time at the begining of next season, its likely he will trim the fat back relativly fast (a couple of episodes).
StarshipTitanic wrote:Not necessarily, it could have been taken from a ship. They were using chalk boards to record the ballots.
Those were marker boards, not chalkboards. It would seem very odd to me that a space faring society would be caring around a supply of chalk and chalkboards on their spaceships. We are moving away from those
As someone working in a school, I'd like to say I prefer the mk 1 chalkboard to those damn whiteboards and know enough people who feel the same, so I think chalk will be in use for awhile to come.
-A.L.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge
"If you're falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly, you've got nothing to lose." - John Sheridan (Babylon 5)
"Sometimes you got to roll the hard six." - William Adama (Battlestar Galactica)
A note on the "why not scrap the ships and use them as shelter" arguement.
Maybe cooler heads prevailed here and realized "if the Cylons do show up, we should be able to run like hell"?
In retrospect I'm having a hard time believing what the heck happened with Galactica and Pegasu. I'd have expected the ships to maybe have a rotation of crew members going to down to the surface for a few months, then returning to their posts, and so on. Not this full up "okay, anyone who wants off the ship, go down there."
The disrepair I can buy, as the civilians would want any construction materials found going to the planet.
-A.L.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence...Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." - Calvin Coolidge
"If you're falling off a cliff you may as well try to fly, you've got nothing to lose." - John Sheridan (Babylon 5)
"Sometimes you got to roll the hard six." - William Adama (Battlestar Galactica)
