nBSG Episode 319: "Crossroads, Part II"...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2007-03-30 10:21pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Lee noticing Lampkin leaving the cane behind was just him realising that Lampkin was pulling the wool over his eyes regarding the severity of his injury from the assassination attempt.

There goes my deductive integrity then.

Lord Woodlouse wrote:
The Wars of the Roses were a dynastic struggle, not a territorial civil war. The territorial definition was largely north-south rather than east-west. The House of Lancester never won, either. The House of Tudor did, who were incredibly minor former supporters of the Lancastrians, rather than a member of the dynasty itself (and at the end of the day they were both Plantaganets, sides of the same family). When Richard III died the last of the Yorks AND the Lancesters had died, and a whole new dynasty began, taking as it's symbol a combined red and white rose to symbolise things.

It's all explained in a diagramI once made.

...

No, YOU suck!

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-03-31 12:21am

Koolaidkirby wrote:One question though, why is everyone so insistent on the fact that Kobol could not have possibly been the starting point of humanity and that Earth is in fact where humanity started. This is not SG-1 where humans did in fact originate on Earth. I don't see any evidence so far in the nBSG universe pointing to this being the same universe as the one we live in, in fact there is quite a bit to the contrary.

But then again, I could have just missed something huge, in which case please enlighten me

Due to the fact they're not aliens but in fact human beings, complete with other Earth fauna and flora? How could they have evolved anywhere else without some rather seriously unlikely parallel evolution?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-03-31 12:31am

I'm willing to overlook the reality of the situation if the show indeed goes in the same direction as the original series...

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-03-31 01:21am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm willing to overlook the reality of the situation if the show indeed goes in the same direction as the original series...

The colonial fleet arriving at 1980s Earth and having a terrible spin-off?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-03-31 01:22am

No, the "life here began out there" premise.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2007-03-31 02:06am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, the "life here began out there" premise.

...Yeah, you know, that already works with regards to Caprica and how the colonials didn't evolve there. Whether it be Kobol or Earth doesn't matter, because the premise is maintained, and if Ron Moore is writing a science fiction show he'll make it Earth.

(and we already went to Kobol anyway)

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-03-31 04:49am

Stofsk wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, the "life here began out there" premise.
...Yeah, you know, that already works with regards to Caprica and how the colonials didn't evolve there. Whether it be Kobol or Earth doesn't matter, because the premise is maintained, and if Ron Moore is writing a science fiction show he'll make it Earth.

(and we already went to Kobol anyway)

No, the narrator in BSG78 was referring to Earth when he said "life here began out there".

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2007-03-31 05:08am

Then I respectfully suggest that that narrator couldn't find his arse from a hole in the ground.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2007-03-31 11:20am

Stofsk wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, the "life here began out there" premise.
...Yeah, you know, that already works with regards to Caprica and how the colonials didn't evolve there. Whether it be Kobol or Earth doesn't matter, because the premise is maintained, and if Ron Moore is writing a science fiction show he'll make it Earth.

(and we already went to Kobol anyway)

It's possible that earth will be the keystone of the series with it being the origins of humanity...

Since everything has happened before and will happen again- it seems the set up for having humanity rebel against the Lords of Kobol on...well Kobol a couple thousand years ago is there.

Is it not just the next step to say that the Lords of Kobol were created on earth by the original humans and the Lords of Kobol rebeled at some point and left for...Kobol?

xerex · Post by **xerex** » 2007-03-31 02:17pm

I think BSG is set in a parallel universe. Where there're humans and earth BUT humans evolved on Kobol andwhere Earth is a colony not homeworld.-

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-03-31 02:20pm

That's my opinion so far as well, though not so much it being a full-out "parallel universe" and simply more of an alternate setting.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-03-31 02:25pm

Stofsk wrote:Then I respectfully suggest that that narrator couldn't find his arse from a hole in the ground.

Whether you like it or not, that was the premise of BSG78. And whether you like it or not, Ron Moore has said in the past that he wanted to incorporate that aspect of BSG78 into neoBSG.

Honestly, I'd really like for that to come true in this series, just to see all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would bring.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-03-31 04:45pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's my opinion so far as well, though not so much it being a full-out "parallel universe" and simply more of an alternate setting.

Well, they already tipped their hands a bit that the original 12 colonies must have had Earth roots. Remember when they go to Kobol and stick the Arrow of Apollo into the monument and it makes that holographic room of Earth?

Roslin specifically states there that the constellations that were illuminated were the one the flags and were the ancient names the colonies, those being the Zodiac Constellations.

That's something that can't be alternate universed out. Those star patterns only have meaning with respect to our solar system. If the original colonists who established the 12 Colonies from Kobol had to have done so with knowledge of Earth history and what the sky looks like from Earth, most likely finding it appropriate to name the twelve new colonies established from Kobol after the twelve Zodiac signs.

That's the only way the established history in neoBSG makes sense, even if you completely discard parallel evolution and have Earth start out little to no biodiversity.

Kane Starkiller · Post by **Kane Starkiller** » 2007-03-31 06:25pm

If Earth turns out to be some parallel version of itself then what is the point of having Earth in the first place? It is not "us" anymore. They might as well have them reach Naboo.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2007-03-31 06:28pm

Kane Starkiller wrote:If Earth turns out to be some parallel version of itself then what is the point of having Earth in the first place? It is not "us" anymore. They might as well have them reach Naboo.

Yeah, but it's not like it's "us" if it's some magic future-Earth either.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2007-03-31 09:47pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Stofsk wrote:Then I respectfully suggest that that narrator couldn't find his arse from a hole in the ground.
Whether you like it or not, that was the premise of BSG78. And whether you like it or not, Ron Moore has said in the past that he wanted to incorporate that aspect of BSG78 into neoBSG.

I don't like it!

Honestly, I'd really like for that to come true in this series, just to see all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would bring.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-03-31 11:59pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Yeah, but it's not like it's "us" if it's some magic future-Earth either.

Why not? That just adds depth to the neoBSG universe, since it taking place in the future of Earth greatly deepens the breadth of history in the series and opens alot of interesting questions that can be tapped into, like what happened that made Earth "lost" to Kobol and the 12 colonies and then what disaster made Kobol lost.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2007-04-01 07:30am

I'm going to come out and say I'd prefer future-Earth that can put colonial-human civilisation back on its feet; but that's merely my first preference. I'd go for any of the sublime to ridiculous possibilities:
*our Prehistory
*our present
*alt-universe, turns out to be Cylon homeworld(and Starbuck is evil Model 01, it's a trap!!!)

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2007-04-01 09:07am

Gil Hamilton wrote: Roslin specifically states there that the constellations that were illuminated were the one the flags and were the ancient names the colonies, those being the Zodiac Constellations.

I thought she said they arrived at Earth and found the the Gods in the night sky or looking down upon them or someshit. It's possible that they found constillations that bore a striking resemblense to the symbols for their gods, and and overtime the symbols changed to fit.

tim31 · Post by **tim31** » 2007-04-01 08:29pm

Roslin said the symbols were on the original flags. Starbuck quoted that they looked to the heavens and could see their twelve brothers.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2007-04-02 12:32am

tim31 wrote:Roslin said the symbols were on the original flags. Starbuck quoted that they looked to the heavens and could see their twelve brothers.

Which cinches it. They had to have come from Earth in order for the constellations to be on the flags in the first place. Whether or not the 13th colony returned to Earth and went "Hey, look at that!" doesn't change it.

Teebs · Post by **Teebs** » 2007-04-02 07:16am

Don't the constellations change over time? I could be wrong, but I had the impression that 2000 years ago you wouldn't have been able to recognise the constellations we have now. If that's true then I'd have thought that even if the colonials did come from Earth originally the constellations wouldn't have been the same.

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2007-04-02 07:54am

Teebs wrote:Don't the constellations change over time? I could be wrong, but I had the impression that 2000 years ago you wouldn't have been able to recognise the constellations we have now. If that's true then I'd have thought that even if the colonials did come from Earth originally the constellations wouldn't have been the same.

2000 years ago the constellations where the pretty much the same just in different places. So they'd still be recognisable.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-04-02 11:23am

Constellations only change gradually over the course of a few hundred thousand years.

Post by **weemadando** » 2007-04-03 03:29am

Only a 2 from me. Could have gotten a WAY better score if it hadn't played so many cheap parlour tricks.

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