Kojiro wrote:I sincerely doubt the shield in any sort of threat to Thor or even Stark.
Its not that the shield itself is any sort of threat; its that it gives Cap a massive armor/durability boost against crazy OP surpervillains, thus Cap survives long enough to become a threat (with his super hand to hand fighting ability and battlefield command abilities?)
IIRC Cap's shield is one of the most durable objects in Marvel Universe
Um-no? The shield allows Steve to survive hits from the power guys. It doesn't do beans to make him in any way a credible threat on the offensive.
Movie Steve if no other iteration knew that, which is why he stayed down in the streets where he could actually make a difference.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Batman wrote:Um-no? The shield allows Steve to survive hits from the power guys. It doesn't do beans to make him in any way a credible threat on the offensive.
Movie Steve if no other iteration knew that, which is why he stayed down in the streets where he could actually make a difference.
Sorry, I should have been a little clearer in my previous post. I do agree with you and I was joking/being sarcastic about Cap being a credible threat to the heavy hitters (hence my confused smiley and question mark), even though his shield allows him to take hits from said guys and gals.
It was definitely his command abilities that gave him some use other than smacking around a few enemy soldiers, when he tells the cop what he needs them to do he demonstrates that kicking ass=authority when the cop questions him initially. And him rescuing that building full of civilians (though Romanov or Barton could theoretically have taken care of it, his shield came in handy protecting him from the alien grenade), I can't imagine Hulk for example doing the same job without going "Hulk smash" and trashing the joint I was just amazed that Thor could block a punch from Hulk and hit him hard enough to make him reel. And then smacking him in the face with Mjolnir hard enough to daze him and throw him into a parked jet, wrecking said jet in the process. Of course that just made Hulk even madder, ripping the wing off the ruined plane and throwing it hard enough to decapitate a Humvee, but that's something else
Batman wrote:Um-no? The shield allows Steve to survive hits from the power guys. It doesn't do beans to make him in any way a credible threat on the offensive.
True, Cap couldn't hit Loki hard enough to hurt him, but he could knock him around a bit and keep him busy.
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Ted C wrote:True, Cap couldn't hit Loki hard enough to hurt him, but he could knock him around a bit and keep him busy.
I think Loki was really just showboating in the scene, awaiting his capture. There's no reason he couldn't have blasted Cap when he was down or applied the pointy end of the spear to the back of his head instead of the blunt end.
It does make me wonder though, with his scene with Stark where he attempts the scepter conversion, if he retains the frost giant 'freezing grip' ability? We know it can hurt an Asgardian pretty damn fast and done to Tony's neck feels like it should almost certainly be lethal. But then Loki commits the evil overlord error of not actually killing his enemies (I could annihilate Thor.. nah I'll just backhand him... I could snap Stark's neck... nah I'll thow him out the building) when he could.
Movie Loki was pretty much the poster boy for the Evil Overlord trope, you have to admit.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
His ego is one of the major faults of Loki, as Stark said Loki is a bit of a diva and because of that he's unable to just finish of his enemies efficiently, he must show them how much "better" he is, which bites him in the ass if Loki misjudges how strong the enemy is.
Sure he could have just killed Stark right away but that would be "proper" in Loki's mind, by throwing Stark out of the window like a piece of trash Loki wants to "show" him that "you're nothing compared to me and I could beat any time I wish".
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
I think Loki is also usually... usually not big on just up and killing people with his bare hands. He'll do it with energy blasts and so on at a distance, but up close and personal in the feel-their-neck-break sense, he may not default to that sort of thing.
Kojiro wrote:But then Loki commits the evil overlord error of not actually killing his enemies (I could annihilate Thor.. nah I'll just backhand him... I could snap Stark's neck... nah I'll thow him out the building) when he could.
Well, technically both of those acts should have been lethal, based on the information Loki had at the time. The backhand from the Destroyer *was* lethal, and maybe he felt just he was being generous to his brother by leaving a decent looking corpse. He didn't realize that Thor's return to grace would be triggered.
Similarly, he had no reason to assume that Stark had a spare set of armor just behind the wall, ready to intercept him before he hit the ground, and he loves theatrics, so he may have wanted all the people on the ground to see Stark turn into a puddle on the pavement.
"This is supposed to be a happy occasion... Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."
-- The King of Swamp Castle, Monty Python and the Holy Grail
"Nothing of consequence happened today. " -- Diary of King George III, July 4, 1776
"This is not bad; this is a conspiracy to remove happiness from existence. It seeks to wrap its hedgehog hand around the still beating heart of the personification of good and squeeze until it is stilled."
-- Chuck Sonnenburg on Voyager's "Elogium"
And Stark was playing for time as Jarvis had to get the MKVII ready, since while he was pouring himself a drink he was putting on those IR bracelets so the suit could locate him. And let's face it, there was no way Loki could foresee the Iron Man armour flying after Stark and forming round him before he could hit the ground. And that scene was pretty fucking cool
and battlefield command abilities?)
I was just amazed that Thor could block a punch from Hulk and hit him hard enough to make him reel. And then smacking him in the face with Mjolnir hard enough to daze him and throw him into a parked jet, wrecking said jet in the process. Of course that just made Hulk even madder, ripping the wing off the ruined plane and throwing it hard enough to decapitate a Humvee, but that's something else 
