Any space battle better than Endor?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-29 02:42pm

Ooh yeah, I blew the medical transport up, fuck them, I ain't going with
a bunch of indie scumbags....

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-01-29 02:57pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Two main ST battles float my boat. DS9 was involved in both. One was the attempted invasion od DS9 by the Klingons and the second one was the successful attack on the same station by the Dominion fleet.

I liked them, but they seemed fake because a fleet of warships couldn't take those shields down within at most a minute.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » 2003-01-29 06:18pm

Mostly B5 battles, can't think of anything else right now...

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-30 02:20pm

In fairness to the Klingon and Jem'hadar fleets they where getting wailed on bu like 300 photon torp tubes and uncounted phaser cannons. It's kinda hard to do mass fire with pinpoint accuracy when youre trying to dodge a torp.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-01-30 03:30pm

Darth Pounder wrote:In fairness to the Klingon and Jem'hadar fleets they where getting wailed on bu like 300 photon torp tubes and uncounted phaser cannons. It's kinda hard to do mass fire with pinpoint accuracy when youre trying to dodge a torp.

you don't need accuracy when fireing at a space sstation that uses, IIRC, bubble sheilding (as in the sheild looks like a bubble, rather than being contoured tothe hull)

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-31 03:25pm

Singuler Quartet wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:In fairness to the Klingon and Jem'hadar fleets they where getting wailed on bu like 300 photon torp tubes and uncounted phaser cannons. It's kinda hard to do mass fire with pinpoint accuracy when youre trying to dodge a torp.
you don't need accuracy when fireing at a space sstation that uses, IIRC, bubble sheilding (as in the sheild looks like a bubble, rather than being contoured tothe hull)

Aye fair enough you'd have to be an asshole of Riker proportions to miss DS9 but to get 300 ships to hit all in the same area was asking a wee bit much and sure anyway they shields did fall, eventually.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-02-01 05:02am

The Living Legend. The Pegasus' turn to contact was actually vaguely according to the laws of physics instead of some gentle submarine diving turn, and the engagement with the three BaseShips was very, very well done. CGI is good in many respects, but there's still a "real" feel to those old scenes - though that gap in some recent, high quality films has largely been eradicated (Still, I'd watch The Fall of the Roman Empire over Gladiator, but I rather like Sophia Loren as she was in that film.) BattleStar Galactica was a visual extravagance and actually quite well written for its time. It just had some noticeable downsides that were probably unavoidable, and combined with expense, killed it.

I mean, why use CGI when you can hire fifty thousand extras in a foreign country with a high unemployment rate and debased currency? In a similiar vein I wonder if we couldn't have refined many more non-CGI techniques by now.

Ah well. I shall, however, always enjoy the image of that resolute exchange, and then Cain ordering the missiles salvos at point-blank, as the Pegasus plunged into eternal mystery!

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-02-01 05:18am

May I ask a little question? Which episode of B5 contained the battle of Coriana 6? Everyone seems to have enjoyed it, ad I'd like to see it too.

On topic: None better than Endor. I've seen a few, but so far Endor kicks ass for me.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-02-01 05:22am

Another fine "space battle" (though not many shots were fired) was the Valkyrie and the Phoenix in Titan AE, where Korso was chasing Cale through the icy Andali Neblua. That was stunning.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2003-02-01 06:21am

My favorites on screen are the two battles of TWOK and TUC.

My ultimate favorite has however to be the Great Battle of the Excession. Not in a movie, but you can make it as damn impressive, cool as you wish with a tool which surpasses your puny eyes : your mind. You don't need visuals, just a brain ( incidentally some so-called SF fans would be put at a huge disadvantage here

). That's why I prefer book SB to visual ones. The book provides the synopsis, you provide effects which make ILM guy look like amateurs. Only drawaback is that you can't share it with others... major, but only real drawback.

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2003-02-02 11:10am

PeZook wrote:May I ask a little question? Which episode of B5 contained the battle of Coriana 6? Everyone seems to have enjoyed it, ad I'd like to see it too.

On topic: None better than Endor. I've seen a few, but so far Endor kicks ass for me.

It was called “Into the Fire” and took place in the first half of Season 4. Catch it if you can. That year as a whole had by far the best battles of the series and some of the best battles in sci-fi history.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-02 11:18am

Darth Pounder wrote:In fairness to the Klingon and Jem'hadar fleets they where getting wailed on bu like 300 photon torp tubes and uncounted phaser cannons. It's kinda hard to do mass fire with pinpoint accuracy when youre trying to dodge a torp.

At the single digit kilometer ranges you barely need a guidance system for the damn thing to mass fire on a small area. And any deciden guidance system we could build today could easily be targted under those conditions.

Pilots of single seat fighters can lock on Infared Imaging missiles while flying in combat after all.

Renewed_Valour1 · Post by **Renewed_Valour1** » 2003-02-02 12:10pm

Well it depends on what you are judging it by.

Endor is very good eye candy where you have two large fleets and large amounts of fighters blasting away at each other at close range. The Battle of the Line similar has a great moment when the Minbari jump in and you realize how screwed the EA forces are.

In terms of realism compared to the others Andromeda’s “D-Minus 0” stands above most of the others. You have a long battle with two ships playing a cat and mouse game at light minute ranges at near relativistic speeds. Then the Andromeda was actually flying evasively when she’s running through the Crazy Ivan.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-02-02 12:31pm

Captain Kruger wrote:
PeZook wrote:May I ask a little question? Which episode of B5 contained the battle of Coriana 6? Everyone seems to have enjoyed it, ad I'd like to see it too.

On topic: None better than Endor. I've seen a few, but so far Endor kicks ass for me.
It was called “Into the Fire” and took place in the first half of Season 4. Catch it if you can. That year as a whole had by far the best battles of the series and some of the best battles in sci-fi history.

Ah, this one. I saw it just two days ago

I liked the episode as a whole, but more the parts when Delen and Sheridan were flaming the Shadows and the Vorlons than the battle itself.
It was somewhat chessy, especially when the First Ones came in in their flashy, colorful ships right from a dream of a deluded madman.

I liked the defense of Babylon 5 from Clark's task force more, the one right after they declared independence. It had this "dirty" feel, no christmas-lights-in-space, just cold, soulles, human ships. What I'm wondering, though is why the hell did the task force send only ONE breaching pod at the station...and since it latched itself onto the main hull, perpedicular (sp?) to it, then those EA marines should be climbing out of the hole they cut, instead of jumping in through it horizontally.

That, and if Security used automatic weapons, no EA marines would get inside the station

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-02 05:54pm

My two favorites are:

1. "Force of Arms" - Robotech: 4.8 million Zentraedi ships fold around Earth and proceed to jack up the surface. Then the UDF's Grand Cannon fires and you see dozens of Zentraedi ships destroyed. Then you see the SDF-1 bust into the Zentraedi main base and blow it up. Very sweet

2. "In the Beginning" - B5: There's just something about seeing hundreds of jump points in Earthspace with several Minbari War Cruisers coming out of each one. Very disturbing.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2003-02-02 07:47pm

The last battle in Gunbuster.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-02-02 11:38pm

I'm going to throw votes for WORST SPACE BATTLES EVER to the shitty CGI wankfests in DS9. What the fuck is going on? Why are ships getting pasted so damn quickly? Why is there no strategy or tactics beyond "shoot at them and evade fire"?

I didn't care for Endor as much... we saw shots of fighters racing about, but we didn't see as much of the capital ships. I think more contiguous footage (not space -> DS2 -> Endor -> space) and more footage period would have made it better. Still cool, just not as good as I think it could have been.

My favorite is the TWOK battles. Part of it is the models themselves... they feel so much more real than footage made in more recent years. Supposedly, the E-nil refit model was made to such detail that you could place a camera at 1/8th of an inch away from the surface and still maintain believability... and it shows in the TWOK footage.

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