I know you guys are done tearing eachother apart, but I have to disagree with this. That is most definitely NOT an O'Neill.
This is the O'Neill-class. As you can see, while they are similar in design, they are QUITE different in size and layout. The Asgard ship shown in "Camelot" was either a new vessel (maybe a prototype?) or a design not seen, but on the books since after "Small Victories".
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Oh, and using the same actors for the goa'uld was kind of neat. Camulus, Nirrti, Cronus, Aphophis, all by the same guys.
I was glad of seeing Yu again, he was my favourite Goa'uld. I was annoyed when they turned him senile.
The episode began slow but after one year had passed in the alternative timline it really turned good.
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Vertigo1 wrote:
I know you guys are done tearing eachother apart, but I have to disagree with this. That is most definitely NOT an O'Neill.
This is the O'Neill-class. As you can see, while they are similar in design, they are QUITE different in size and layout. The Asgard ship shown in "Camelot" was either a new vessel (maybe a prototype?) or a design not seen, but on the books since after "Small Victories".
What's different? The small one has a light on that might be some kind of thruster, but other than that, they look very much the same; rounded aft, protuding centre section, upward standing 'wings' on either side, antennae, narrow 'hammer' shaped head...
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Everything about that design looks a hell of a lot skinnier.
Which is probably just a side effect of it being scaled incorrectly.
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Vertigo1 wrote:As you can see, while they are similar in design, they are QUITE different in size and layout. The Asgard ship shown in "Camelot" was either a new vessel (maybe a prototype?) or a design not seen, but on the books since after "Small Victories".
I'm actually willing to go with this, now that I see the visual evidence. True, the real reason still probably stands, that the CG guys were extra-special lazy in this battle (even moreso now that they just put one giant white thing on there instead of the tiny points of light there before), but as an in-universe explanation, I'm willing to go with the Asgard maybe weren't able to churn out enough of the large O'Neills, so they built smaller versions. There's just enough difference between the two to make the case.
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Vertigo1 wrote:
I know you guys are done tearing eachother apart, but I have to disagree with this. That is most definitely NOT an O'Neill.
This is the O'Neill-class. As you can see, while they are similar in design, they are QUITE different in size and layout. The Asgard ship shown in "Camelot" was either a new vessel (maybe a prototype?) or a design not seen, but on the books since after "Small Victories".
What's different? The small one has a light on that might be some kind of thruster, but other than that, they look very much the same; rounded aft, protuding centre section, upward standing 'wings' on either side, antennae, narrow 'hammer' shaped head...
The antennae mounts on the wings are shorter in hight, and on the side of the "head" are glowing bits. It also has glowing bits on the bottom of the "horns" (which are shorter as well), and the size of the ship is vastly different. Its about ten times smaller than a standard O'Neill-class. Its weapon systems are different as well. It appears to have smaller versions of the cannons used by the O'Neills in "The Order" which fire at a higher rate of speed.
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I have a concession to make; The Daniel Jackson class does have weapons. In New Order Thor says "it is doubtful that my ship's weapons will be effective against it."
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Old Plympto wrote:For a second... and just for a second... I thought they were going to have Mitchell pull a Philip J. Fry.
As did I.
Baal's plan would have worked if the trio were not in between gates when the timeline change completed itself.
That made no sense whatsoever, in fact I paused the film and ranted to my friend about it. I guess that's the problem with most time travel stories.
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What about the fact that the stargate slingshot effect throws you back to the gate you just left from, and yet Mitchell was able to somehow arrive at earth despite leaving from another planet. I suppose he might have slingshotted back to the same time travel planet he left from, and then dialled earth, but really, how did Mitchell get to earth once he jumped back? Did he pop out of the earth gate in egypt? Which was, actually, burried? Even if he popped out of it after it was unburried, I'd have thought people might have noticed.
And yeah, the scene at the start where everyone is vanishing, and yet some magical force protects Sam, Daniel and Mitchell ... it's as bad as Treks First Contact, where they see the earth assimilated by the borg, and yet they themselves continue to exist despite never being born. Because ... temporal wake. Or something. Hell, at least that was an explanation, which is more than we get here. I mean, if Tealc and Vala ceased to exist because their pasts were altered, then wouldnt everyones memories be altered as well, so that they wouldnt notice them missing? That whole scene is just maddening. True we've never seen what effects real time travel might produce, but I seriously doubt it'd be anything as nonsenical as this - where changes in the timeline allow the current time period to briefly remain intact long enough for someone to notice.
Revy wrote:What about the fact that the stargate slingshot effect throws you back to the gate you just left from, and yet Mitchell was able to somehow arrive at earth despite leaving from another planet. I suppose he might have slingshotted back to the same time travel planet he left from, and then dialled earth, but really, how did Mitchell get to earth once he jumped back? Did he pop out of the earth gate in egypt? Which was, actually, burried? Even if he popped out of it after it was unburried, I'd have thought people might have noticed.
And yeah, the scene at the start where everyone is vanishing, and yet some magical force protects Sam, Daniel and Mitchell ... it's as bad as Treks First Contact, where they see the earth assimilated by the borg, and yet they themselves continue to exist despite never being born. Because ... temporal wake. Or something. Hell, at least that was an explanation, which is more than we get here. I mean, if Tealc and Vala ceased to exist because their pasts were altered, then wouldnt everyones memories be altered as well, so that they wouldnt notice them missing? That whole scene is just maddening. True we've never seen what effects real time travel might produce, but I seriously doubt it'd be anything as nonsenical as this - where changes in the timeline allow the current time period to briefly remain intact long enough for someone to notice.
Actually seems to be dependant on the situation (or writer)
In 1969 they were thrown back to the gate you just left from.
In The Last Stand and Continuum they were not.
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The Last Stand? And as for Continuum - we didn't actually see where he wound up after jumping through the gate. It didn't make sense for him to arrive on earth, but even if he did get shot back to Ba'als planet, he still would have gated to earth anyway, and how?
Revy wrote:The Last Stand? And as for Continuum - we didn't actually see where he wound up after jumping through the gate. It didn't make sense for him to arrive on earth, but even if he did get shot back to Ba'als planet, he still would have gated to earth anyway, and how?
Sorry, i meant the last man. The season 4 finale of atlantis.
Shepperd steps through an active gate to Atlantis from another planet and arrives far into the future.
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Yeah, I remember that not making any sense at the time. Carter explains that the slingshot effect relies on a wormhole slinging around a sun and returning to its source destination, but at a different time period (something I think they nicked from Trek, what with the whole Sun-Slingshot=Time-Travel thing) and that is also what happened in 2010 episode with the note. It only seems to be later episodes (like that Atlantis one) and Continuum, where the writers either forgot that little detail or just said 'fuck it, who cares?'.
At least, that should sound similar when pronounced as your phonetic version. I'm not very proficient in the language, so it couldn't hurt if one of our native speakers looked at it.
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PunkMaister wrote:I freaking hate Continuum! It boasts the lowest firepower ends ever seen in Science fiction history or TV show history for that matter...
Why do you keep making posts about Continuum's firepower?
PunkMaister wrote:I freaking hate Continuum! It boasts the lowest firepower ends ever seen in Science fiction history or TV show history for that matter...
You are a sad, sad person if that's the most important thing for you.
PunkMaister wrote:I freaking hate Continuum! It boasts the lowest firepower ends ever seen in Science fiction history or TV show history for that matter...
You are a sad, sad person if that's the most important thing for you.
Seriously, we've suffered through lame ass explosions since day one.
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phongn wrote:You are a sad, sad person if that's the most important thing for you.
Why? Isn't that what's is all about after all for most Star Wars fans? At least here? Firepower seems to be the one single most important thing...
It isn't. It happens to be discussed often, along with arguments about the scale of Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it is the most important thing. Out of all the things in Continuum that might be problematic, the short scene of Earth's bombardment makes you hate it? Seriously?
Firepower may have seemed to be the most important thing when trying to bang into idiots' heads that they can't defeat SW ships but that's about it.
Oh, I have to admit that I didn't watch Continuum due to the fact that my library seemed to have lied about having a copy even though it's in their computer system. I suppose I should be thankful on their part if the movie is as horrible as many here have spoken of it.
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It boasts the lowest firepower ends ever seen in Science fiction history or TV show history for that matter...
