SGA 5x19 "Vegas" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Zac Naloen]

THANK YOU. One of oh so many things I can't wait to get into when the topic rolls around this week. For now, I'm going to try and hold out till the next topic comes up. Necron and I disagree about almost everything SG related it seems, so I'm sure we'll have a lot to disagree with coming up in 5x20. I enjoy it. It's a kind of perverse tradition.

To be honest, that's the only thing about the finale that made me go "Err.. what?"


So I'm gonna let it pass. I disagree with you on most things stargate as well. Personally I don't know why you even watch the show

[Stargate Nerd]

Spoiler

Are you brain dead? The reason I labelled this as spoilers is because it's in the next episode. It's not speculation - this is stuff that is explicitly stated on screen in the next episode, and then demonstrated very potently. The Wraith get their ZPMs back, and start kicking seven kinds of shite out of the Tau'ri. One three second volley from a hive's guns, and the Daedalus is dead in space, shields down, waiting for the kill-shot.

BIG SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!
(sorry posting from a cell phone)
[Spolier Tags by NL] Spoiler

Yes I've seen the episode. bilbo argued that the Goa'uld are either on par or superior to the Wraith techwise which you countered by bringing up the next episode.

What I'm saying is that benefits gained from a foreign more advanced power source don't automatically make you technologically superior since in Stargate it's been shown many times that a superior power source will enhance the spaceships of any faction in many ways like hyperspeed, shield strenght or more powerful energy weaponry.

[CaptJodan]

To be honest, that's the only thing about the finale that made me go "Err.. what?"

Really? Well, I'll be a lone voice tomorrow with some of the other idiocy I saw. Spoiler

Mostly revolving around the chair

Personally I don't know why you even watch the show

McKay. Seriously, he makes it enjoyable. The eye candy isn't bad, and I've always liked the idea of modern Earth meets advanced alien technology (been re-watching Farscape lately, and had forgotten how enjoyable that show was). At this point, since I know it's ending, I want to see how it ends, whether or not it is good. I'm not sure I would have hung on 3 more seasons, but since we all knew it was ending for quite some time, I'm sticking around to see how it ends.

It also took me nearly the entirety of Voyager before I finally gave up on Star Trek. I give my liked sci-fi shows a lot of rope to hang themselves with before finally throwing in the towel, and I did like SG-1 for most of its run. I'm going to check out Universe when it comes out, but it may turn out that that show is my Enterprise.

Believe it or not, my criticisms are only out of love.

[NecronLord]

Spoiler

Are you brain dead? The reason I labelled this as spoilers is because it's in the next episode. It's not speculation - this is stuff that is explicitly stated on screen in the next episode, and then demonstrated very potently. The Wraith get their ZPMs back, and start kicking seven kinds of shite out of the Tau'ri. One three second volley from a hive's guns, and the Daedalus is dead in space, shields down, waiting for the kill-shot.

BIG SPOILERS BELOW!!!!!!!!!
(sorry posting from a cell phone)
[Spolier Tags by NL] Spoiler

Yes I've seen the episode. bilbo argued that the Goa'uld are either on par or superior to the Wraith techwise which you countered by bringing up the next episode.

What I'm saying is that benefits gained from a foreign more advanced power source don't automatically make you technologically superior since in Stargate it's been shown many times that a superior power source will enhance the spaceships of any faction in many ways like hyperspeed, shield strenght or more powerful energy weaponry.

No it wasn't. His argument was that a wraith invasion of the Milky Way could never be a threat to a goa'uld. Which is where the next episode comes in. Spoiler

We do in fact know that, using their standard technology, the only way the Wraith can practically reach the Milky Way is with a ZPM. Last time, they stole data from Altantis. Because the humans were sloppy. Consequently. Any wraith encountered by the goa'uld iin the Milky Way would likely be operating out of this kind of uber-battleship. Either that, or they'd have taken Atlantis or a similar facility, and be

What's more the post he responded to was 'more than just wraith' - and if you think that the goa'uld could resist an Asuran invasion as suggested in that post... well, can I have what you're smoking?

Also, Jordan: Spoiler

Is it how they somehow moved the damn thing? Yeah, I found that silly as well.

[Themightytom]

I'm probably out of line here but couldn't you guys just table the "enemy at the gate" debate for like twelve hours or so so you don't have to spoiler tag it? Although I appreciate the diligence in tagging things, your KIND of making me rediculously curious...

[Johonebesus]

Alternate universes would also include versions where Sokar or Apophis succeeded in creating a unified empire, or Anubis conquered the galaxy, or the Replicators were not defeated. There would be lots of potential for the Wraith to get owned. It would be neat to see a unified and powerful Goa'uld empire. Of course there would also be versions where Ra was still the Supreme System Lord and nothing had really changed.

An interesting idea that no-one has mentioned is that the Wraith might use the Goa'uld to set up farms instead of wandering around in hunting bands. Between the Goa'uld's health-boosting affects on his host and the sarcophagus, one symbiote/host could possibly feed a Wraith for a long time. As long as the Goa'uld aren't willing to commit suicide, the Wraith might be better off than ever before. In fact I could see a queen making a deal with the Wraith to provide blank symbiotes without the minds to resist in exchange for some freedom and power.

Come to think of it, what would happen if a "blank" Goa'uld got implanted into a human? The Tok'ra queen made children without minds so that they wouldn't suffer, but did she simply not give them her memories or did she cause their brains to be stunted? If one of them had been implanted in a human, would it develop a mind of its own, or would the fully formed human personality overwhelm the symbiote? Has anyone considered somehow trying to obtain blank symbiotes?

[Stargate Nerd]

No it wasn't. His argument was that a wraith invasion of the Milky Way could never be a threat to a goa'uld. Which is where the next episode comes in. Spoiler

We do in fact know that, using their standard technology, the only way the Wraith can practically reach the Milky Way is with a ZPM. Last time, they stole data from Altantis. Because the humans were sloppy. Consequently. Any wraith encountered by the goa'uld iin the Milky Way would likely be operating out of this kind of uber-battleship. Either that, or they'd have taken Atlantis or a similar facility, and be

What's more the post he responded to was 'more than just wraith' - and if you think that the goa'uld could resist an Asuran invasion as suggested in that post... well, can I have what you're smoking?

Spoiler

If you're saying that a Wraith invasion backed by ZPM ships would succeed, I'm not denying that at all.

But I seemingly interpreted a Wraith technology is superior to Goa'uld technology as proven by the ZPM argument into your statements. My apologies if I was mistaken.[/b]

[FedRebel]

Come to think of it, what would happen if a "blank" Goa'uld got implanted into a human? The Tok'ra queen made children without minds so that they wouldn't suffer, but did she simply not give them her memories or did she cause their brains to be stunted? If one of them had been implanted in a human, would it develop a mind of its own, or would the fully formed human personality overwhelm the symbiote? Has anyone considered somehow trying to obtain blank symbiotes?

rewatch the episode, an accidental implantation does occur, the victim is effectively in a comatose state.

The symbiote essentially overrides higher brain functions of the host, if the symbiote lacks any form of "software" (memories, etc.) higher functions are effectively disabled and only critical involuntary functions are left active.

[CaptJodan]

Also, Jordan:

My sig forces me to call you a retard for that.

Spoiler

Is it how they somehow moved the damn thing? Yeah, I found that silly as well.

Actually, while that was a bit suspect, it didn't bother me that much. My problem lies in Spoiler

The fact that NO ONE was manning the damn thing. We brought Sheppard in to do the job, and instead he wants to go play cowboy with the Hive around the moon. There are no back-up people to man it (like perhaps O'Neill) and John basically does whatever the fuck he wants, ignoring the orders he had. Both Carter and Sheppard should be drummed out of the service for such blatant incompetence.

[CaptJodan]

I'm probably out of line here but couldn't you guys just table the "enemy at the gate" debate for like twelve hours or so so you don't have to spoiler tag it? Although I appreciate the diligence in tagging things, your KIND of making me rediculously curious...

Damn, read this after I posted. Sorry about that.