It's not funny at all. It's common sense. The Zerg are not a true hive mind. Instead, you have the Overmind ordering around its generals (the Celebrates) who in turn use psyonic powers (telepathy) to mind control the individual Zerg units using various creatures like the Overlords as field based signal amplifiers. It's basically a network centric force but with their minds. It's much, much easier to develop a defense against something when you do not desperately and completely rely on the same something as the spine of your command and control structure.avatarxprime wrote:It's funny though how despite this the Zerg apparently gain no resistance to psionic manipulation that the humans are able to put together.
Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
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You win. There, I have said it.
Now there is only one thing left to do. Let us see if I can sum up the strength needed to end things once and for all.
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
One note about Zerg psionics, while the psi disruptors work long-range, they are not effective at all if the cerebrate is within a certain range, although the exact line is unknown. Furthermore, we don't know how effective the devices are on a Zerg swarm under the control of a full-fledged Overmind, we only know that it can disrupt the control of a not-yet-developed one.
Also, the cerebrates do not control the Zerg in general, each cerebrate has a brood which it has dominion over, and a single brood does operate as a true hive, regardless of if it has a cerebrate or not. If that cerebrate is killed then the brood is lost, but only if it is killed by the psionics of a dark templar, as they utilize similar abilities that the Overmind and cerebrates do. Essentially the void based psionics of the dark templar serve to sever the brood's connection to the Overmind, so it is unable to take control of those Zerg in the interim period between the death of the cerebrate and its resurrection.
Also, the cerebrates do not control the Zerg in general, each cerebrate has a brood which it has dominion over, and a single brood does operate as a true hive, regardless of if it has a cerebrate or not. If that cerebrate is killed then the brood is lost, but only if it is killed by the psionics of a dark templar, as they utilize similar abilities that the Overmind and cerebrates do. Essentially the void based psionics of the dark templar serve to sever the brood's connection to the Overmind, so it is unable to take control of those Zerg in the interim period between the death of the cerebrate and its resurrection.
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
No, it's still funny. The Zerg wanted humanity because they were essentially defenseless against the might of Protoss psionic power without it, they flat out state they would not win unless they found a way to neutralize said advantage. You'd think that being able to resist the awesome might of the Protoss would confer some degree of resistance to being mind controlled, yet in the end it did all of jack and squat. If the Protoss wanted to win they should have just focused on enslaving the Swarm, given their experience with psionic technology and Xel'Naga science they'd likely do a far better job than the humans. Also, I should point out that the Zerg overcoming forms of psychic control is how the Overmind became the Overmind and ate the Xel'Naga in the first place.Purple wrote:It's not funny at all. It's common sense. The Zerg are not a true hive mind. Instead, you have the Overmind ordering around its generals (the Celebrates) who in turn use psyonic powers (telepathy) to mind control the individual Zerg units using various creatures like the Overlords as field based signal amplifiers. It's basically a network centric force but with their minds. It's much, much easier to develop a defense against something when you do not desperately and completely rely on the same something as the spine of your command and control structure.avatarxprime wrote:It's funny though how despite this the Zerg apparently gain no resistance to psionic manipulation that the humans are able to put together.
When was that stated? I don't recall anything in SC:BW about that, but it's possible I'm mistaken. Kerrigan was able to regain control over broods that had been enslaved, but she needed to enter that Brood's Hive cluster to do it, and this is Kerrigan functioning at least at the proto-Overmind level given her control of multiple broods. It would be understandable that a given brood's cerebrate would be able to pull off the same feat and faster, but the original purpose of the device wasn't to enslave broods so much as disrupt control of them making them easier to manage.Imperial528 wrote:One note about Zerg psionics, while the psi disruptors work long-range, they are not effective at all if the cerebrate is within a certain range, although the exact line is unknown.
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
I was inferring that from the UED attack on Char, which was done after they had the psi disruptor up and running. The Zerg forces on Char were still under control of the cerebrates and the proto-overmind until after the battle.
With Kerrigan I would speculate it is because while she is a powerful psionic, she was not intended to fill the place of the Overmind, nor even of a cerebrate, so it makes sense that she would initially need to take other routes (Such as using a psi emitter or taking control of hive clusters)
Also, I think you may be confusing the emitters and the disruptor, since one is for control/luring and the other is for disruption.
With Kerrigan I would speculate it is because while she is a powerful psionic, she was not intended to fill the place of the Overmind, nor even of a cerebrate, so it makes sense that she would initially need to take other routes (Such as using a psi emitter or taking control of hive clusters)
Also, I think you may be confusing the emitters and the disruptor, since one is for control/luring and the other is for disruption.
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
Tyranids eat everyone, especially with that much bio mass collected on one planet from this colossal wankfest, I'd expect a whole Hive Fleet to eventually swing by. Not to mention that the nids deal with other races with somewhat similar capabilities all over the 40k galaxy.
The real question is, did the author of the OP ever manage to clean all of the jizz of his computer?
The real question is, did the author of the OP ever manage to clean all of the jizz of his computer?
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
The thing is, the one trait that all sides of this wankfest have in common is that they are able to transform and enslave others against their will, and pathogens or malignant influences that act like pathogens are how they perform said transforming and enslaving.Darth Fanboy wrote:The real question is, did the author of the OP ever manage to clean all of the jizz of his computer?
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Re: Eve vs Greene vs Kerrigan vs LichKing vs Tyranid vs Borg
How is this a wankfest?Darth Fanboy wrote:Tyranids eat everyone, especially with that much bio mass collected on one planet from this colossal wankfest, I'd expect a whole Hive Fleet to eventually swing by. Not to mention that the nids deal with other races with somewhat similar capabilities all over the 40k galaxy.
The real question is, did the author of the OP ever manage to clean all of the jizz of his computer?
And no the Tyranids do not deal with threats like these casually in Warhammer 40k there is no Blacklight virus, Zerg (besides the Tyranids there isn't a second anti-tyranid tyranid race), or Eve equivalents in Warhammer 40k. You could make a case with the Lich King he could be like an Alpha level Nurgle Psyker and the Borg might be somewhat similar to the Necrons but they really aren't that similar.