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Batman wrote:We have no examples of Tony's behaviour PAST shortly after his near-death experience so I'm granting you that for the moment.
Exactly, and what happens next is what we will learn in Iron Man 3.
However, I must note the lack of Bruce Banner in the trailer leaves me sad as someone else who saw Drunk Science with the Avengers and watching the end of the Avengers thought how good teaming up the heroes for the next movies would work. Part of what made the Avengers so great was how everything tied back in, so I'd love to see Bruce and Tony hanging out, Hulk can stay asleep but just Bruce and Tony hanging out during the movie. Nothing major just another acknowledgement of the shared universe.

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I dunno. The hammer at the end of 2 was a fun infodump, and The Avengers certainly worked, but I want Iron Man movies to be about Iron Man. What would The Other Guy or Banner being in the movie add to the movie? We already know they're part of the universe.
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Batman wrote:I dunno. The hammer at the end of 2 was a fun infodump, and The Avengers certainly worked, but I want Iron Man movies to be about Iron Man. What would The Other Guy or Banner being in the movie add to the movie? We already know they're part of the universe.
Just have Banner stop by, give Cap a call, you don't need to spend more than thirty seconds on them and these are movies to make nerds happy and make tons of money via making nerds happy. Why not make them happy when it costs so little and makes sense from an in universe perspective. Not to mention it starts letting you comb other movies for supporting characters.

If Tony is thinking on a problem related to the suit (As part of every Iron Man movie is the new suit building) and he goes down to his workshop works on his suit, decides to hit up his Avengers headquarters and bounces an idea or two off Banner, gets a good suggestion in return. No need to introduce generic scientist number 5 when we can have Bruce Banner play that part. It feeds back into that interconnecting framework.

Have you forgot one of the classic comic book tricks? Not putting everything in the same issue? Want to know about X, well check out Y issue of Z hero to find out what happened. You can of course abuse this to a large amount, but it's also possible to make people want to give Y a chance. So you have Bruce in there to for thirty seconds to lead into the next bit, maybe he gets a full minute in Thor 2 then it all leads into Hulk ...whatever number. You don't do it for all of them it won't work well and Banner is the natural pick besides Rogers for someone to lead into their movie even as they lead into Avengers 2. Remember these movies are being made with the idea of not only getting to you watch them but also getting you into the next Avengers movie, so why not lead into not just the Avengers but Thor 2 or whatever movie of choice.

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And you can do this all naturally by establishing that yes Banner is working for Stark now, Hulk never has to show up, but remember the targeted demographic of these movies. Even tiny bit of of character X produces lots of internet buzz which translates into extra free advertisement. There are a dozen reasons why you include a short spot from one of the other Avengers even if they don't get within a 100 miles of the stompy robot fights.

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In the Science Fiction thread it was pointed out that the patriotic-painted armour has RHODES stenciled on it. If it's a knock-off, it's someone's reverse-engineered version with Rhodey at least supposedly inside.

If not, FF Labs (EDIT: Future Frontiers, maybe? Something like that?) might have refitted War Machine/Iron Patriot properly after Hammer's pathetic job, or it just might be a smokescreen - "See, Stark Labs - with the dangerous maniac in the Iron Man suit who, incidentally, might be responsible for the alien attack on New York didn't build this, just like this totally isn't the suit Justin Hammer, the CEO of Hammer Industries who was convicted last year, introduced which then went on a rampage in the Stark Expo!"

I say they might say that Stark "may be responsible" for the Chitauri attack because the Chitauri came out of a portal open by a beam emanating from the top of Stark tower, and between stopping Stark Industries from making weapons, his exploits as Iron Man, his natural personality, and getting into practical, plentiful and working clean energy Stark probably has a number of very powerful people upset with him, while being popular with other powerful people and a lot of less powerful people - we saw some of that in Iron Man 2, and attempting to discredit and throw aspersions on him and his projects is one way the ones upset with him could be doing something about it.
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RecklessPrudence wrote:In the Science Fiction thread it was pointed out that the patriotic-painted armour has RHODES stenciled on it. If it's a knock-off, it's someone's reverse-engineered version with Rhodey at least supposedly inside.

If not, FF Labs (EDIT: Future Frontiers, maybe? Something like that?) might have refitted War Machine/Iron Patriot properly after Hammer's pathetic job, or it just might be a smokescreen - "See, Stark Labs - with the dangerous maniac in the Iron Man suit who, incidentally, might be responsible for the alien attack on New York didn't build this, just like this totally isn't the suit Justin Hammer, the CEO of Hammer Industries who was convicted last year, introduced which then went on a rampage in the Stark Expo!"

I say they might say that Stark "may be responsible" for the Chitauri attack because the Chitauri came out of a portal open by a beam emanating from the top of Stark tower, and between stopping Stark Industries from making weapons, his exploits as Iron Man, his natural personality, and getting into practical, plentiful and working clean energy Stark probably has a number of very powerful people upset with him, while being popular with other powerful people and a lot of less powerful people - we saw some of that in Iron Man 2, and attempting to discredit and throw aspersions on him and his projects is one way the ones upset with him could be doing something about it.
That a pretty ridiculous thing to assume or even suggest ( I would be shocked if they tried to work that angle into the movie) since the director of the most advanced and important intelligence agency in the world knows it to be false. I mean, even if they booted Fury, everyone else in SHIELD is aware of what happened. There is also really no reason to try to cover up anything about what Stark and the Avengers did at this point since the whole alien, deim-god, gamma monster, frozen super-soldier cat is out of that bag.
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I never said it was a rational response on the powerful people's behalf, just that I wouldn't be surprised to see it.
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Batman wrote:Well there's the part where Stark is exactly the same at the end of Avengers as he was at the beginning and as we saw in the Iron Man movies. He's very nearly killed (or so it seems anyway) to the point that he actually calls Pepper for an 'I'm almost certain I'm about to die so I thought I'd tell you I love you' phone chat that didn't happen, and what is the very first thing he does upon being revived by The Other Guy yelling at his chest piece? He quips about getting fast food.
That reaction could easily be, well... call it 'reverting to type.' People don't change instantaneously; Stark may still have some normal reactions that gradually change as he keeps experiencing nightmares and cases of the shakes from all the stuff he's been through.

Sort of like how a soldier might seem 'normal' under artillery bombardment now, but be a nervous wreck two weeks later because he's had time to think about it.
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However, I must note the lack of Bruce Banner in the trailer leaves me sad as someone else who saw Drunk Science with the Avengers and watching the end of the Avengers thought how good teaming up the heroes for the next movies would work. Part of what made the Avengers so great was how everything tied back in, so I'd love to see Bruce and Tony hanging out, Hulk can stay asleep but just Bruce and Tony hanging out during the movie. Nothing major just another acknowledgement of the shared universe.
Since the trailer focuses on the big themes of the movie and its protagonist (Iron Man/Stark), even if Banner does appear in there somewhere, it's no surprise he's not in the trailer.
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I just hope there's at least a token throwaway line to justify why none of the other Avengers show up to help out when the Mandarin does his level best to punch out one of their own. Assuming, of course, that they don't, which is a safe bet given that this is an Iron Man movie. I don't want them to show up, I just want it to make sense in-universe that they don't. Just like a token 'Rhodie is in Venezuela shitkicking a dude' (or something) line would have been nice in Avengers to explain why the US Air Force's battle-armoured shitkicker was absent for the Battle of New York. It just makes everything hold together that much better.
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I sort of wish they would go for that plotline, simply because it conjured a mental script for me a really great scene. picture another Senate hearing, or maybe even a courtroom, with Tony front and center. He looks back, and starts noticing familiar faces in the gallery, Steve, Bruce, Natasha, Thor, all in suits, all blending in (as much as Thor can...). They all start standing up, just before the door opens and Director Fury steps in, either to set the record straight, or because he's out of time for this shit and it's time to get to work.

More suited for an Avengers movie than an Iron Man movie, of course, so it'd be out of place in this one. Still, the image is tasty enough that I hope they use something like it eventually, where it's appropriate.
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Ahriman238 wrote:Am I alone in thinking the Mandarin's rings looked way too big and more than a bit goofy?
In the comics they've frequently looked rather odd, which really shouldn't be surprising. They weren't designed as rings: they're engine parts from an alien space ship.
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Ted C wrote:
Ahriman238 wrote:Am I alone in thinking the Mandarin's rings looked way too big and more than a bit goofy?
In the comics they've frequently looked rather odd, which really shouldn't be surprising. They weren't designed as rings: they're engine parts from an alien space ship.
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X object has Y shifting properties because it is ALIEN woooooOOOOOoooo
ALIEN
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The Avengers movie was nice until it degenerated into a brainless logic-defying dogfight between scooter-riding aliens and superheroes....

Bombardment from orbit instead of flying in?
Group of 5 guys defeat an interstellar invasion?
Spreading out?
You have flying scooters but your firearms are as useless as paintball guns?
Alien invasion? Let's brawl with them instead of like, shooting them down with missiles...

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There's a deleted scene on the Avengers Blu-ray where Maria Hill informs the Council that SHEILD has a recording of them ordering a nuclear strike on Manhattan and that if they ever try to come after Fury they would be sorry.

I would imagine the same could be said about going after any of the Avengers. Stark is the most public and the most open to attack on various fronts, but he's also the one who kept a nuclear weapon from going off in the middle of New York City.

I know the comics have tended to go the way of putting the heroes in a rather antagonistic relationship with the government and authority but I really hope they don't go strongly in that direction with the movies. I think they have enough interesting stuff they could do that would be fun to watch without going into government conspiracies, the government being full of douche bags etc... I thought Iron Man 2 had a decent amount of the government going after Stark and his tech. Going a bit beyond that would be okay but I hope it doesn't come to dominate the stories.

Let the X-Men movies go with that since the oppression, discrimination of mutant kind has been part of their schtick from very early on. It makes more sense when mutants are not in the same universe as the other Marvel super beings. I mean, why would mutants be extra specially bad but people like the FF and Avengers can be major celebrities, even when some of them, or their children, are mutants?

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing Henry Peter Gyrich show up as a recurring bureaucratic pain in the ass in some future Avengers movies. :) Probably won't happen since I think the character appeared and got killed in the first X-Men movie.
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Ahriman238 wrote:Am I alone in thinking the Mandarin's rings looked way too big and more than a bit goofy?
He's got a flamethrower that fits on a finger, and you're complaining that it's too big? :lol:
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Batman wrote:Mk 47? I don't think they've gotten that far in the comics.
Yeah, the Bleeding Edge armor is Mark 37, so Tony is 10 armors ahead of his comics originator. However, he's really not... Just in case I'm putting the information in spoiler tags. Spoiler
The reason that the armor has that designation is because Tony has built himself a series of drone suits (inspired by the Hammer drones), which he ends up needing to fight the Mandarin's Extremis enhanced badies.
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Most of the Avengers and the FF are unique individuals, one-offs that happened to develop incredible abilities. They are rare and not something that could potentially happen to everyone. Mutants on the other hand are a random phenomenon, their power levels vary widely, and a large number of them happen to have violent manifestations when their powers first activate. Every new mutant is a time bomb ticking away with an unknown yield, hence why people are so uneasy about them, not to mention you have the obvious Us vs Them issue. The "accidental" heroes on the other hand (Captain America is one of the few on purpose heroes) are just this unique happenstance that no one could have seen coming and can be more so accepted (provided they turn good and not evil).
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White Haven wrote: Just like a token 'Rhodie is in Venezuela shitkicking a dude' (or something) line would have been nice in Avengers to explain why the US Air Force's battle-armoured shitkicker was absent for the Battle of New York. It just makes everything hold together that much better.
Avengers didn't need it because Rhodes is in a different organization and the time frame is too short. By the time they realize the shit is going to hit the fan in New York, the shit is already hitting the fan. Unless Rhodes was right there, as opposed to being in California or Texas or just about anywhere else, he's not going to get there in time. Now I do like those kind of details myself, but in that particular case it isn't necessary. If, on the other hand, you've got to gather together an elite strike force and take some scary dude out in the next 48 hours, then you better explain why Jim Rhodes isn't on the team.

Or better yet, put him on the team. :wink:
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Again, as I said, not requesting that Rhodie BE there, but rather a quick line to explain why he's not. Because Stark would definitely have wanted War Machine's backup, so a line supporting why he's not there would have been welcome.
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avatarxprime wrote:Most of the Avengers and the FF are unique individuals, one-offs that happened to develop incredible abilities. They are rare and not something that could potentially happen to everyone. Mutants on the other hand are a random phenomenon, their power levels vary widely, and a large number of them happen to have violent manifestations when their powers first activate. Every new mutant is a time bomb ticking away with an unknown yield, hence why people are so uneasy about them, not to mention you have the obvious Us vs Them issue. The "accidental" heroes on the other hand (Captain America is one of the few on purpose heroes) are just this unique happenstance that no one could have seen coming and can be more so accepted (provided they turn good and not evil).
I figure most people give the accidental heroes a pass because they are the victims of something out of their control, plus if they are a hero they are trying to make the best of the situation. Plus, how many people want to be the dickhead who gives the Thing shit for being turned into a monster and then using that to help people?

I do wonder why the FF don't run into more problems because of their children being mutants. If more people knew how powerful Franklin Richards can be they'd really be crapping themselves.
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RecklessPrudence wrote:In the Science Fiction thread it was pointed out that the patriotic-painted armour has RHODES stenciled on it. If it's a knock-off, it's someone's reverse-engineered version with Rhodey at least supposedly inside.

If not, FF Labs (EDIT: Future Frontiers, maybe? Something like that?) might have refitted War Machine/Iron Patriot properly after Hammer's pathetic job, or it just might be a smokescreen - "See, Stark Labs - with the dangerous maniac in the Iron Man suit who, incidentally, might be responsible for the alien attack on New York didn't build this, just like this totally isn't the suit Justin Hammer, the CEO of Hammer Industries who was convicted last year, introduced which then went on a rampage in the Stark Expo!"

I say they might say that Stark "may be responsible" for the Chitauri attack because the Chitauri came out of a portal open by a beam emanating from the top of Stark tower, and between stopping Stark Industries from making weapons, his exploits as Iron Man, his natural personality, and getting into practical, plentiful and working clean energy Stark probably has a number of very powerful people upset with him, while being popular with other powerful people and a lot of less powerful people - we saw some of that in Iron Man 2, and attempting to discredit and throw aspersions on him and his projects is one way the ones upset with him could be doing something about it.
That a pretty ridiculous thing to assume or even suggest ( I would be shocked if they tried to work that angle into the movie) since the director of the most advanced and important intelligence agency in the world knows it to be false. I mean, even if they booted Fury, everyone else in SHIELD is aware of what happened. There is also really no reason to try to cover up anything about what Stark and the Avengers did at this point since the whole alien, deim-god, gamma monster, frozen super-soldier cat is out of that bag.
They did it to the Ghostbusters...

To be honest, the whole "blame the hero for the event he saved everyone from" is almost a cliche sequel subplot.
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Tsyroc wrote:I do wonder why the FF don't run into more problems because of their children being mutants. If more people knew how powerful Franklin Richards can be they'd really be crapping themselves.
Are people even aware that Franklin is a mutant? Even his parents thought that his powers were at first a result of their own "cosmic ray" induced changes. I'd think that the general public would be under the same impression that Franklin's powers are a result of his parents' "mutation," that he's not a Mutant, he's just a mutant, like his parents. I doubt anyone even focuses on the Onslaught episode as a Franklin=Mutant issue. Also, don't forget about Valeria and Franklin's alternate future son (Hyperstorm) when it comes to "if they only knew how powerful they really are."
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avatarxprime wrote: Are people even aware that Franklin is a mutant? Even his parents thought that his powers were at first a result of their own "cosmic ray" induced changes. I'd think that the general public would be under the same impression that Franklin's powers are a result of his parents' "mutation," that he's not a Mutant, he's just a mutant, like his parents. I doubt anyone even focuses on the Onslaught episode as a Franklin=Mutant issue. Also, don't forget about Valeria and Franklin's alternate future son (Hyperstorm) when it comes to "if they only knew how powerful they really are."
It does seem to stay out of common knowledge, plus Franklin has lost or apparently lost his abilities several times. He and Valeria might also get a pass from all but the most hard core anti-mutant whacko because it's clear that if they are mutants it's because their parents weren't normal because of the cosmic rays. Although, exposure to radiation of one or both of the parents used to be a somewhat common reason for kids being mutants (The Beast, and Iceman) but now that mutants have been retconned into having been around for at lease a few thousand years it seems to bug people more that might be the next stage of evolution instead of the result of what man has been doing to the environment.

Back on the FF kids. Valeria seems to be a super genius with no other powers but her being so freakishly smart at such a young age can still be hedged by the general public that her dad (and his dad) are some of the smartest people to ever walk the planet so at worst it's doesn't come across as a threatening mutation. It would probably be different if the kids look frightening or were routinely doing things that frightened the general populous.
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Batman wrote:I don't think the audio identifies it one way or the other, and since it's labeled FF Labs (and whatever does that stand for?) when War Machine was Stark Industries, I suspect it's somebody else's knockoff.
It's not FF labs, it's FF445, and looks much more like an Air Force tail code, normally painted on the tail fins of aircraft ...which would make sense since Rhodes is in it.
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