JLTucker wrote:Themightytom wrote:What are you fucking drunk? This isn't a discussion of moral quandaries, it's a discussion of order of events, I can see EXACTLY why you can't grasp the time skip was a major out of universe moment for most viewers accustomed to incremental change.
Are you sure? What I quoted has nothing to do with the time jump but instead the entire abortion issue with Roslin.
Um yes. I'm entirely sure Tucker, you posted your little bsgasm in response to this:
Crazedwraith wrote:Oh right. That was actually not her advisor; Who'd died early in the season on Kobol. But the leader of the Gemonese people on the quoroum. And iirc Rosyln basically told her to go screw herself even after she'd fallen in with the anti-abortion stuff (on Baltar's advice) and things remained hostile because she let the girl who'd triggered the issue get the abortion she wanted becuase it happened before she'd annouced the new law.
That's literally a description of events. Does a person have the right to choose or an obligation to contribute to the survival of a species, is Roslin a moral person for superseding her own ethics to promote what she deems is good for the whole fleet? Is Baltar an asshat for advocating pro choice purely to beat her in an election, that was not this discussion.
Crazedwraith wrote:
This is entirely true. There were a couple of threads of discussion I've taken part in. Roslin's stance on abortion is one and my responses to JLTucker's questions about my feelings about the time skip is another.
I do also seem to have used SoD in an uncommon sense. Apologies.
Stay classy CrazedWraith, you're clearly bringing manners and open mindedness to the table here, but I am fairly sure JL is not approaching this subjectively, and is pushing an agenda, as is evident from his other line of discussion. I'm in this thread too, and I object to a hamhanded effort to apologize for what doesn't need apology, if you're willing to be candid about both it's strengths AND weaknesses. The original questions asked were
1. When did the show lose you?
2. From what you've read from behind the scenes commentary, when do you think they lost it? Did it take you long to notice?
Not,
1. How many ways can you persuade someone the show never lost them"
2. Assuming the show never lost you, how many ways can you spin failure into gold.
JLTucker wrote:As far as I know, that didn't happen after the time jump.
Is the degree of uncertainty necessary or was that just a trite mimicry of noncommittal speech, we both know Roslin's election took place just before the time jump, the point that eludes you is this:
And no, I have no problem with the time skip because I've seen it before and that was far more egregious in terms of length (2001: A Space Odyssey). Both did it admirably.
circular reasoning that INCLUDES the actual argument? I've... I've never even seen that done before... so you were ok with bsg's time skip because bsg did a time skip?
What I do find hilarious is that the show did something different and people are up in arms about it because it's not a traditional storytelling method. crazedwraith admitted that it made sense, but it took him out of the story because it was something different. Unfortunately, I think he and I are operating under different definitions of "suspension of disbelief."
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The show did something lazy. People are up in arms because of THAT, in a thread where we are to specifically discuss what we did not like, try not to lose the context of this discussion, most of us use suspension of disbelief as a minimum requirement, not the building blocks of a story, your definition of suspension of belief clearly includes an "Apologize for any mediocrity" component.
