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How is the Doctor a pedophile? The new companion isn't a child (I don't know what the character's age is supposed to be but the actress is 26 according to IMDB). You better have a really good explanation for such a serious accusation.

But its true that the Doctor shouldn't be getting involved with other girls when he's married. But maybe Time Lords have different values and don't practice monogamy. Plus I'd like to consider The Wedding of River Song non-canon on the grounds of being badly written dreck.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:How is the Doctor a pedophile? The new companion isn't a child (I don't know what the character's age is supposed to be but the actress is 26 according to IMDB). You better have a really good explanation for such a serious accusation.
I think they're referring to relative ages. He's after all 1000+, so going after someone in their 20s does come across as a little creepy.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:How is the Doctor a pedophile? The new companion isn't a child (I don't know what the character's age is supposed to be but the actress is 26 according to IMDB). You better have a really good explanation for such a serious accusation.
I think they're referring to relative ages. He's after all 1000+, so going after someone in their 20s does come across as a little creepy.
He might have the memories of a 900 hundred year old man, but he has the mentality of a 20-30 year old. That's what happened when the Doctor has regenerative abilities, giving him a brand new personality every time he regenerate.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:How is the Doctor a pedophile? The new companion isn't a child (I don't know what the character's age is supposed to be but the actress is 26 according to IMDB). You better have a really good explanation for such a serious accusation.
I think they're referring to relative ages. He's after all 1000+, so going after someone in their 20s does come across as a little creepy.
That's not what pedophilia is. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children.

Also, as I recall this is nothing new for the Doctor. Wasn't the Tenth Doctor in love with Rose?

You're welcome to find it creepy, and I might even agree with you, but its not pedophilia. Though I do wish the Doctor could have a non-sexual relationship with a companion for a change.
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From what I can recall, Rose and perhaps Astrid are the only NuWho companions who the Doctor has shown any real interest in. Martha stopped travelling with the Doctor specifically because he wasn't returning her affections, Donna and Ten never really showed any mutual attraction, and Eleven not only rejected Amy's advances but reacted by trying to patch up her relationship with Rory. Even if we're talking Jenna-Louse Coleman characters, Oswin never showed anything more than light flirting toward the Doctor, and IIRC she actually did the same with Rory to a lesser degree.

(For the sake of this discussion and my sanity, I'm counting River as a recurring character rather than a companion)
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The Romulan Republic wrote:
J Ryan wrote:
The Romulan Republic wrote:How is the Doctor a pedophile? The new companion isn't a child (I don't know what the character's age is supposed to be but the actress is 26 according to IMDB). You better have a really good explanation for such a serious accusation.
I think they're referring to relative ages. He's after all 1000+, so going after someone in their 20s does come across as a little creepy.
That's not what pedophilia is. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to children.

Also, as I recall this is nothing new for the Doctor. Wasn't the Tenth Doctor in love with Rose?

You're welcome to find it creepy, and I might even agree with you, but its not pedophilia. Though I do wish the Doctor could have a non-sexual relationship with a companion for a change.
The Doctor has a fixation with picking up young girls from Earth and they consistently end up going for the sexual relationship angle.
From the Doctor's perspective all humans are children to his experience, age and knowledge and yet for some magical reason he continues to follow the practice of picking up young girls that obviously are attracted to him, then he acts surprised when they are looking for a bit of time lord love. There comes a point when it stops being funny or justifiable and they left that train station with Martha Jones.
It is extremely creepy and all of a sudden the Daleks 'Predator' name for him has a whole new context.
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And where, pray tell, is the Doctor supposed to find someone of an "appropriate" age? He's the very last of his species except for a sort-of clone named Jenny which would be even more creepy for him to have a relationship with, or unless the Master comes back (again). He's dating outside his species, which could be seen as bestiality, and you're accusing him of pedophilia? The companions have all been adults. They may be a hell of a lot younger than him, but they're still adults. He's not a pedophile even if you want to argue he's a creepy old man.
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THat reminds me, why can't we have Jenny as a companion? She is more of an equal to the Doctor but can still learn from him, is capable enough to get her (and him) out of trouble and you coudl have the whole father-daughter dynamic going on. That would have been cool.
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PREDATOR490 wrote:The Doctor has a fixation with picking up young girls from Earth and they consistently end up going for the sexual relationship angle... <snip> ...for some magical reason he continues to follow the practice of picking up young girls that obviously are attracted to him.
From what I recall, Martha didn't actually start showing signs of attraction to Ten until round about "Gridlock." Then when Donna came on-board, he made it clear from the start that there wasn't going to be any hanky-panky in the TARDIS. And Amy was already in a relationship with Rory, so as far as Eleven was likely concerned a sexual attraction should never even have entered the equation.

Heck, even as far as Rose is concerned, if you read between the lines then Ten basically admits in "Journey's End" that the only reason he was ever attracted to her in the first place was because he was in an emotionally unstable state after the end of the Time War. I'm surprised Rose managed to refrain from slapping Ten (and Human!Ten) after that, though clearly she's a graduate of the Bella Swan School of Romance. :P
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Either that, or on some level Rose saw running off with a mystery man as a ticket out of the housing projects council estates she was living in and likely would continue to live in for the rest of her life. "Marrying up" is hardly a new strategy for women of limited circumstances.
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Her relationship with Mickey was basically dying on its backside even before Nine showed up, so she likely saw it as a chance to get away from that, too.

The funny thing is, there was actually a line originally in The Christmas Invasion which said that Ten mentally imprinted on Rose because she was present at his regeneration. In context it was actually there to explain why the Doctor's accent had changed (until someone pointed out to RTD that going by that logic, Six should have sounded American), but it would have had some very strange undertones come "Journey's End" had it been left in.
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It's not pedophilia because we don't have a word for it but it would be closer to a much older man going for a teenager. Booty is booty, I suppose, but their experiences would be so vastly different that it would have to feel off. I'm thinking of American Beauty where the worldly object of temptation drops her sophisticate guise and reveals herself to be a teenage virgin nervous before her first time. That completely ruined the mood for our protagonist whereas seconds before he was ready, even knowing her age.

As far as my opinion goes, the Doctor wouldn't have sexual interest in humans because they are just so young and immature, even as he remains fascinated by their potential. There's not really anyone else out there in the multiverse compatible for him which is why he is so lonely. All the gallavanting around is a way of holding back the isolation.

Even if a companion might get moony over him, it just seems within character for him to never return those feelings in that way.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:THat reminds me, why can't we have Jenny as a companion? She is more of an equal to the Doctor but can still learn from him, is capable enough to get her (and him) out of trouble and you coudl have the whole father-daughter dynamic going on. That would have been cool.
I'd love to see Jenny return, and I can't imagine why it hasn't happened yet. Of course, now that Moffat has gone from skilled writer to worthless, he might ruin the character.

It would also mean having a companion with whom their would be no possibility of sexual attraction. :D
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jollyreaper wrote:It's not pedophilia because we don't have a word for it but it would be closer to a much older man going for a teenager. Booty is booty, I suppose, but their experiences would be so vastly different that it would have to feel off. I'm thinking of American Beauty where the worldly object of temptation drops her sophisticate guise and reveals herself to be a teenage virgin nervous before her first time. That completely ruined the mood for our protagonist whereas seconds before he was ready, even knowing her age.

As far as my opinion goes, the Doctor wouldn't have sexual interest in humans because they are just so young and immature, even as he remains fascinated by their potential. There's not really anyone else out there in the multiverse compatible for him which is why he is so lonely. All the gallavanting around is a way of holding back the isolation.

Even if a companion might get moony over him, it just seems within character for him to never return those feelings in that way.
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Christ. The Doctor is over 1000 years old. How many 1000 year old people are running around for him to hook up with to appease your infantile "OMG PEDOPHILE!!" rant?

Say he finds a companion with as much experience as he can? How exactly would they fare running around to the next space station or mysterious world or confronting the next monster of the week... in their wheel chairs?

And if his gallivanting around the universe is due to loneliness, then explain it for the 800 something years before the Time Lords disappeared.

As for the show itself, I liked it, but then, I enjoy the Doctor's journey itself and don't care as much about if the companions have a crush on him or vice versa as others seem to. I also enjoy the mystery and chase of the show even if it does revolve around the companions. I mean, what's the difference if the Macguffin is the special monster or the companion?
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