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Jub wrote:
Iracundus wrote:You're the one that's failed to read critically. The OP mentioned BRIEFLY perusing the thread and mentioned noticing the pew pew. Nothing at all about the rest, such as characters or plot and in fact that was part of the original OP's post and question about whether it was worth watching beyond the fighting. Plenty of shows have pew pew without delving into political intrigue or war at a strategic scale.
You're cute, way to get your back up about nothing.
When it comes to people trying to dictate or restrict what others can post or recommend based on their own assumptions of value it is hardly nothing. The concept of free speech you know.

The OP asked a question. I answered it, which no one else in the thread directly addressed in detail except for the length issue.

The number of recommendations may also be a factor in whether or not the OP chooses to watch something. Something with multiple recommendations is often more likely to be considered than one littered with multiple bad reviews and only a single good one. Again nowhere is it stipulated that only one mention can ever be made in this thread about a particular anime. Others were free to discuss where to find it in this very same thread, and I am free to give my opinion on it and how it may not be suitable if quick mindless fun or action is what the OP is after.
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As for the original topic, if the OP is into ship to ship combat, then Starship Operators is also good though some find the ending unsatisfying. This may be due to the limitations of it being based on a light novel series, which like many Japanese light novel series, may not be entirely finished (presumably to leave the author room to go back to it in the future).
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Iracundus wrote: When it comes to people trying to dictate or restrict what others can post or recommend based on their own assumptions of value it is hardly nothing. The concept of free speech you know.

The OP asked a question. I answered it, which no one else in the thread directly addressed in detail except for the length issue.

The number of recommendations may also be a factor in whether or not the OP chooses to watch something. Something with multiple recommendations is often more likely to be considered than one littered with multiple bad reviews and only a single good one. Again nowhere is it stipulated that only one mention can ever be made in this thread about a particular anime. Others were free to discuss where to find it in this very same thread, and I am free to give my opinion on it and how it may not be suitable if quick mindless fun or action is what the OP is after.
My first post was pointing out why your initial post might have been mocked by Stark. Your reaction to my post is what prompted the rest. But keep tilting at windmills I guess...
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Iracundus wrote: When it comes to people trying to dictate or restrict what others can post or recommend based on their own assumptions of value it is hardly nothing. The concept of free speech you know.

The OP asked a question. I answered it, which no one else in the thread directly addressed in detail except for the length issue.

The number of recommendations may also be a factor in whether or not the OP chooses to watch something. Something with multiple recommendations is often more likely to be considered than one littered with multiple bad reviews and only a single good one. Again nowhere is it stipulated that only one mention can ever be made in this thread about a particular anime. Others were free to discuss where to find it in this very same thread, and I am free to give my opinion on it and how it may not be suitable if quick mindless fun or action is what the OP is after.
My first post was pointing out why your initial post might have been mocked by Stark. Your reaction to my post is what prompted the rest. But keep tilting at windmills I guess...
The error of presuming the OP necessarily knew anything about LOGH beyond the pew pew has also been pointed out with direct quote from the OP, and it appears to be one both of you have made. Keep bailing, because it is quite clear both of you just made knee jerk reactions.

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Look, add some depth or phrase your post as an additional recommendation and you wouldn't have that issue. I'm not going in depth with my suggestions, but all of them were new or seconds for already mentioned series. Nobody bitched at me, you got bitched at because you're post had no depth and didn't recommend anything new. Deal with it.
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Jub wrote:Look, add some depth or phrase your post as an additional recommendation and you wouldn't have that issue. I'm not going in depth with my suggestions, but all of them were new or seconds for already mentioned series. Nobody bitched at me, you got bitched at because you're post had no depth and didn't recommend anything new. Deal with it.
And as I already pointed out, you are completely wrong or now just outright lying about what actually was posted. Did you not take the time to actually read the OP?. Previous posts in this thread about LOGH had no depth and didn't reveal anything new beyond "long" and "good" or where to get it, which is not revealing when the OP doesn't necessarily know a thing about LOGH beyond the pew pew as the OP himself admitted. My post showed LOGH was about politics and war and could be viewed as analogous to long epic novels with the additional qualifier that therefore it was not suitable if mindless action was the goal. That is a hell of a lot more than anything else in this thread has said about LOGH specifically. Go ahead and go through every single other post in the thread that mentions LOGH and see where you can get more than the most cursory information. Trying to palm things off to the LOGH thread is pointless because the OP said they had only briefly perused it and just noticed the fighting.

It is abundantly clear neither critique has any actual merit because they are based on erroneous assumptions and failed critical reading.
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Iracundus wrote:
Jub wrote:Look, add some depth or phrase your post as an additional recommendation and you wouldn't have that issue. I'm not going in depth with my suggestions, but all of them were new or seconds for already mentioned series. Nobody bitched at me, you got bitched at because you're post had no depth and didn't recommend anything new. Deal with it.
And as I already pointed out, you are completely wrong or now just outright lying about what actually was posted. Did you not take the time to actually read the OP?. Previous posts in this thread about LOGH had no depth and didn't reveal anything new beyond "long" and "good" or where to get it, which is not revealing when the OP doesn't necessarily know a thing about LOGH beyond the pew pew as the OP himself admitted. My post showed LOGH was about politics and war and could be viewed as analogous to long epic novels with the additional qualifier that therefore it was not suitable if mindless action was the goal. That is a hell of a lot more than anything else in this thread has said about LOGH specifically. Go ahead and go through every single other post in the thread that mentions LOGH and see where you can get more than the most cursory information. Trying to palm things off to the LOGH thread is pointless because the OP said they had only briefly perused it and just noticed the fighting.

It is abundantly clear neither critique has any actual merit because they are based on erroneous assumptions and failed critical reading.
Dude, if the OP cared, the thread that was posted has the info he is looking for. He skimmed it at first, but if he was at all interested by the many recommendations he would have read that or just wiki'd/googled the show by now.
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Jub wrote: Dude, if the OP cared, the thread that was posted has the info he is looking for. He skimmed it at first, but if he was at all interested by the many recommendations he would have read that or just wiki'd/googled the show by now.
Not necessarily. Maybe one more recommendation might have swayed him to do so. A whole lot of "Yes it's good" responses might not make any difference. Maybe also having an answer as to why it's good would be the inducement to go search. Certainly the OP could have searched at any time before even making this thread, yet obviously didn't do so. So you cannot presume to know what the OP has or would do, or that the short posts earlier would have induced him to do anything. Nor indeed will the LOGH thread really reveal too much beyond the battles as that was what the focus was on.

If it was ok for multiple posters to mention and discuss LOGH in the thread earlier, it is certainly acceptable for me to make a post on it, and one which offered more information than just about any other post in the thread about it save perhaps the exact length.
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Recommendations threads attract Me Too spam? Color me shocked. :lol:

Jub wrote:The new Hellsing OVA series has been pretty decent so far. It's a YMMV thing though as the plot does have stupid elements and Alucard is still pretty no limits.
I'm going to be a weirdo and suggest the original Hellsing anime instead. IMO, its a much more artful experience, due precisely to the fact that they only had the first two releases of the manga to work with. Its darker, less gratuitous with the gore while still feeling like a vampire piece, the music is far more creative and unique, and it feels much more realistic to me even though there are parts where the plot becomes seemingly incoherent due to the rush to get the show out the door. Seras Victoria as a viewpoint character makes a ton of sense compared to "I am the Devil, and God is My Bitch" Alucard, and makes the story feel more like its about vampires whereas in the OVA they get sidetracked by the fucking cyborg Nazis.

Oh, yeah, and there are no Nazis, and the London police/Royal military aren't completely negligent. Those two things right there are probably the most ridiculous parts of the OVA that make it nearly unwatchable after roughly the fourth episode.

Really, the only thing that makes the OVA interesting is the sheer spectacle, and the Alucard's rivalry with Alexander Anderson. You can find the former in any anime, and the latter doesn't make up for the lengthy Nazi sidetracks.
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Formless wrote:Recommendations threads attract Me Too spam? Color me shocked. :lol:

Jub wrote:The new Hellsing OVA series has been pretty decent so far. It's a YMMV thing though as the plot does have stupid elements and Alucard is still pretty no limits.
I'm going to be a weirdo and suggest the original Hellsing anime instead. IMO, its a much more artful experience, due precisely to the fact that they only had the first two releases of the manga to work with. Its darker, less gratuitous with the gore while still feeling like a vampire piece, the music is far more creative and unique, and it feels much more realistic to me even though there are parts where the plot becomes seemingly incoherent due to the rush to get the show out the door. Seras Victoria as a viewpoint character makes a ton of sense compared to "I am the Devil, and God is My Bitch" Alucard, and makes the story feel more like its about vampires whereas in the OVA they get sidetracked by the fucking cyborg Nazis.

Oh, yeah, and there are no Nazis, and the London police/Royal military aren't completely negligent. Those two things right there are probably the most ridiculous parts of the OVA that make it nearly unwatchable after roughly the fourth episode.

Really, the only thing that makes the OVA interesting is the sheer spectacle, and the Alucard's rivalry with Alexander Anderson. You can find the former in any anime, and the latter doesn't make up for the lengthy Nazi sidetracks.
I think you might be right on that one. Hellsing Ultimate is astoundingly stupid when it comes to plot and believably. That said, I still found it fun and the new animation is pretty slick looking. The spectacle can be decent turn your brain off style fun and it's nice to see our police girl get a few more moments to show that she's awesome too.
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Look pal I don't think you have a mandate to presume what they will or won't have done, ok? P creepy.

I've never watched Helsing because of the huge nerd frothing it generated, which totally killed my ability to engage with it. Is the 'new' show you guys are talking about new, or just newer than the original one?
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Stark wrote:Look pal I don't think you have a mandate to presume what they will or won't have done, ok? P creepy.

I've never watched Helsing because of the huge nerd frothing it generated, which totally killed my ability to engage with it. Is the 'new' show you guys are talking about new, or just newer than the original one?
The new show just finished in Japan and hasn't yet been fully released in dubbed form yet. It's a 10 episode OVA series that drastically changes from the original anime.
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Hey, Jub, did they ever resolve whatever legal/contractual/whatever the fuck issues were keeping them from dubbing the rest of Ultimate into English? 'Cause last I checked episode 6 on was still in Japanese only. And the release schedule was never very fast to begin with.
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Not sure, I'm a fan of the fan subs myself. I haven't even seen any of the dubs so I can't comment on quality, let alone licensing rights.
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When we watched Girls und PANZER one of the things my wife laughed about was how awful the voice acting would be in a dub. :V

Is anyone watching this seasons' shows? There was an earlier post with a bunch of current stuff, but I've only seen a list of what's on. I can't let my wife choose because she just judges by the amount of upskirt or explosions on the poster.
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Stark wrote:Is anyone watching this seasons' shows? There was an earlier post with a bunch of current stuff, but I've only seen a list of what's on. I can't let my wife choose because she just judges by the amount of upskirt or explosions on the poster.
Aside from Maou which I know you're already watching, I'm also following Valvrave, Gargantia, and Attack on Titan, though I'm a bit behind on all of them since I spent most of last week out of state. I think Gargantia's my favourite so far since I'm interested in how they handle the protagonist as a completely broken human being (he's been raised from birth as a soldier for a horrifyingly cold culture before being thrust randomly into a real human life) and I dig the metaphor the show has (or at least that I perceive it has :L) for international relations. Valvrave seems vaguely Gundam AUesque is pretty enjoyable too and manages to dash my expectations a lot in fun ways, but I think I managed to ruin myself with hype just from hearing it was made by the team that did Geass before I watched it. Attack on Titan I like but the way it handles the shift in tone between grim and comedy seems clumsy and bothers me.
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NeoGoomba wrote:So, I'm a few episodes into Gundam SEED and digging it as a whole (I like the whole pacifism vs. duty thing going on so far, and the friend vs friend FOG OF WAR), and it is making me want to broaden my horizons a bit, anime-wise. Anyone got any other similar series recommendations to share? How about other Gundam stuffs? Like, my only real Gundam experience was the Wing stuff Cartoon Network used to air, so I could use some input on what to try next. I remember briefly perusing Vympel's big ass Galactic Heroes thread, and while it has some cool pew pew, does the actual characters and writing in that show warrant a watch?

Before this my big "exposures" included Street Fighter II V, Ninja Scroll, and other 90's stuff. I need to update.
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Ire wrote: Watch Fang of the Sun Dougram
Well, at least you included a verb in this insightful recommendation.
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It's heavy on politics although it's rather dated
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How dated is it?

They used the mech designs to make Battletech (along with Macross).
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Stark wrote:Is anyone watching this seasons' shows? There was an earlier post with a bunch of current stuff, but I've only seen a list of what's on. I can't let my wife choose because she just judges by the amount of upskirt or explosions on the poster.
Aside from Maou which I know you're already watching, I'm also following Valvrave, Gargantia, and Attack on Titan, though I'm a bit behind on all of them since I spent most of last week out of state. I think Gargantia's my favourite so far since I'm interested in how they handle the protagonist as a completely broken human being (he's been raised from birth as a soldier for a horrifyingly cold culture before being thrust randomly into a real human life) and I dig the metaphor the show has (or at least that I perceive it has :L) for international relations. Valvrave seems vaguely Gundam AUesque is pretty enjoyable too and manages to dash my expectations a lot in fun ways, but I think I managed to ruin myself with hype just from hearing it was made by the team that did Geass before I watched it. Attack on Titan I like but the way it handles the shift in tone between grim and comedy seems clumsy and bothers me.
I can second Gargantia and Valvrave.

Valvrave in particular seems to have a fetish for playing with the expectations of the audience. The first episode is pretty much a straight-up rip-off of Mobile Suit Gundam/SEED with a bit of a revenge motif tacked on, then comes the post-credits scene...
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From there, the writers get to thoroughly fucking with the audience.

Attack on Titan I'm a little on the fence about, because on the surface, it's a lot like a semi-Medieval Zombie Apocalypse where the Zombies are a hundred feet tall (and I hate Zombies). It goes deeper than that later on, but I think I'll wait to see where the manga story is going with it before I decide to pick it up again or buy it by the time it gets licensed (as memetic as it's become already, It's almost an inevitability).
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If Valvralve has after-credits sequences, then I don't need to deal with the grief. High School of the Dead not just having previews after the credits but several minutes of not-repeated plot-important information almost cost me my life.
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Stark wrote:If Valvralve has after-credits sequences, then I don't need to deal with the grief. High School of the Dead not just having previews after the credits but several minutes of not-repeated plot-important information almost cost me my life.
That's just in the first episode. For the rest of the series (so far), the only thing shown after the credits is the preview.
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Stark wrote:If Valvralve has after-credits sequences, then I don't need to deal with the grief. High School of the Dead not just having previews after the credits but several minutes of not-repeated plot-important information almost cost me my life.
Venture Brothers does that. I had to rewatch the first three episodes. Worth it.
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After Sherry's Rage (sequel to Ken's Rage) I'll have to rip and edit out the credits. Gotta make life easy for myself y'know.
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End credits tend to have a set duration. When it comes to the credits, just check the time left on the recording. :)

But that's not why I brought this thread back up. I have some more recommendations, old and new:


SD Gundam Sangokuden: Brave Battle Warriors Is a visually odd little series. It's basically a retelling of Chinese history as outlined in the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, only all the people are cute representations of various Gundam Mobile Suits. Available on Youtube, officially English Dubbed, no less!


Gatchaman Crowds is perhaps the most original/divergent remake of a classic series I have seen in recent memory. An energetic young lady is recruited into a team of heroes fighting against an alien who has been causing people to disappear... a problem she solves her first outing. From there, it goes to the real story of a proactive social network getting taken over by a malevolent renegade alien.


Okay, so RWBY (pronounced "Ruby") is animeesque rather than a true anime. It's a short series brought to us by Rooster Teeth (Red vs. Blue) and Monty Oum (Haloid, Dead Fantasy). That last part should tell you all you need to know.


Shin Mazinger: Z-saga is a retelling of Go Nagai's genre-defining Super Robot series Mazinger Z. Kouji Kabuto is given a powerful mech by his super-genius grandfather, and takes it into battle against Dr. Hell, a mad scientist who is using ancient monstrous weapons to take over the world.


The Dirty Pair is a long-running series about a pair of intergalactic government troubleshooters who get the job done, but have a nasty habit of wherever they have to operate in usually getting utterly wrecked in the course of their missions (and it's never their fault!), whether it's a building, ship, city or even entire planets. This comes from the days where you could have a series with two female leads without slathering the whole thing in lesbian subtext (not that this stopped the fans!). :)
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