Roman Empire vs Mordor

[Larz]

I'd give it to the romans... of course I just love the roman style so I might be bias

[Mr. B]

I suppose, but would you rather have huge armies of romans taking conrol over you helplessly or would you rather help defeat them and then worry about a lesser force after that? We all have our opinions and i think i would help stop the romans and then stop mordor.

Sauron is evil and want nothing more than the enslavement of middle earth. The Romans would build roads and keep peace through force. How can you say the romans are more of a threat than Mordor.

[Kettch]

Sauron is evil and want nothing more than the enslavement of middle earth. The Romans would build roads and keep peace through force. How can you say the romans are more of a threat than Mordor.

Reg: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Attendee: Brought peace?
Reg: Oh, peace -- shut up!

[NecronLord]

Popular Peoples Front for the liberation of Gondor.

Where is they anyway?

He's over there

[Setzer]

To tell you the truth, I know very little military wise. But if you think about it, Mordor would win. The unrealistic battle skills of middle earth are supreme to anything we can imagine. Lets take Aragorn. He can take on many uruk-hai at once and come out practically unscathed. So what do you think he could do to the Romans? Lagolas has an incredible firing rate where can keep any enemy rushing at him at bay. And these are just average people of middle earth. Whole armies of these skilled warriors would be defending mordor. Not nessecarilly aragorn or legalos, but the urak-hai are highly skilled.

I would think that Aragorn, Legolas, et al, are more like special cases. If every Tom, Dick, and Gimli in Middle Earth could kill dozens of Orcs before sucummbing, Sauron's armies would be much less of a threat than they are. And anyway, what makes you thik the Romans are on the same skill level as the Uruk-hai? They have far more support weapons, and better training. Did you see the opening scene in the movie"Gladiator"? When the soldiers locked their shields together (i think this was called a Tesudo) and blocked a volley of arrows? The Fellowship of the ring killed many orcs, but I didn't really see them working together in the movie. Spartacus' gladiator army was , person for person, better than the Roman legions, but they lost because of the legion's superior teamwork and discipline.

[Setzer]

Yes. But, you forget the effects of the one ring. If it was used right, you could possibly find some way to tempt some of the romans to join mordor. Dont really know how it would be done but im sure if i were there i would try to find a way to. And one thing i dont get is if Sauron wants his ring back so much why not just make a duplicate? That way get could just toss them on the armies and they would be his. I probably sound stupid. lol Ok, im done babbling.

Sauron put too much of his own power into the One Ring. He isn't strong enough to make another.

[CJvR]

Yes. But, you forget the effects of the one ring.
Sauron seems to have missplaced it...

If it was used right, you could possibly find some way to tempt some of the romans to join mordor. Dont really know how it would be done but im sure if i were there i would try to find a way to.
Well Sauron did have the rings he retook from the dwarves, three or four IIRC. A nice peace offering to the emperor and his top generals...

And one thing i dont get is if Sauron wants his ring back so much why not just make a duplicate?
He put most of his strenght into the one ring, more probably than he kept for himself considering the effects on Mordor when it was destroyed.

[CJvR]

lol, sauron stripped all of mordor to take out the 7k? ha. he had the massive 10x+ to take them out, but had troops all over mordor and from the south, plus whatever is in barad dur - frodo sees a few of them. as well, sauron is sending massive armies in the north, vs the elves and dwarves. he had hundreds of thousands of troops, easily.

From RotK:

Gandalf: "We must push Sauron to his last throw. We must call out his hidden strenght, so that he shall empty his land."

"Along all the roads troops were moving; for the captains of the West were advancing and the Dark Lord was speeding his forces north."

"Sauron had taken the proffered bait in jaws of steel."

Combined with how deserted Mordor seemed in the final stages of the quest to Oroduin I would say that Sauron sent most of his field army in Mordor and his reserves northwards.

[Gandalf]

Would it feasible for Sauron to somehow make more Nazgul by getting more rings produced, that would be cool

[spongyblue]

Making the rings is a lost art, thats why Sauron wants them all besides the fact he can dominate over them if he has his one ring, he knows those are the only rings out there.

[CJvR]

Making rings is a lost art for the Elves perhaps but not for Sauron, he could forge as many rings as he want to. The problem would be that he would have to use his own diminishing power to make them and that was not the plan behind the original rings. That plan was to snare the Elves, and when that failed conquer the rings and the power the Elves stored in them, the magic of the rings are what kept Rivendell & Lothlorien alive for so long. Once the one was destoyed the magic of the Elves faded from Middle earth.

I suspect Sauron would need the one ring to outright make more Nazguls but even the without the one ring on Saurons hand it's evil is likely to corrupt a bearer of a lesser ring, remember Sauron had a hand in the creation of them all except the three given to Ciridan, Gil Galad and Galadriel.