SG1 9x03 (Origin) & SGA 2x03 (Runner)

EmperorSolo51 · Post by **EmperorSolo51** » 2005-07-30 01:09am

Alyeska wrote:I'm a little irritated with the ending. They danced around the issue of Christianity and pretended to pay it lip service but also gave it to much credit after what we've seen in the series.

I kind of like the idea in the series that to ascend may not be the end all when it comes to enlightenment and not everything can be explained away and that the real compassionate head honcho, wether it "GOD" or maybe the devine will of the Universe is directing things.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-07-30 02:09am

Thoughts

Well, Season 8 pretty much f***** over both of SG1-'s long-time villains, so now it's time for the formal debut of this season's new threat, the Ori.
I have mixed feelings about the Ori. On one hand, it just feels too Pah-Wraith-esque for me. On the other hand, part of me is fascinated by the route that SG-1 is taking.

After all, from the very beginning of the Stargate saga, the team and their allies fought agianst creatures who presented themselves to their people as gods (the Gou'ald and, to a certain extent, the Asgard), But now the team's facing real Gods and it should prove to make the season's situation quite interesting.

4/5.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-07-30 02:14am

Thoughts

An alright episode. I agree that Ronan appears to embody too much of the badass warrior cliche and I'm worried about how this character will turn out. Then again, considering how Worf started out at the start of TNG compared to his departure from DS9, there's hope and potential.

Speaking of potential, I really like the direction Ford's character is taking and what will happen to him now that he's in his own feeding ground...

3/5

Boyish-Tigerlilly · Post by **Boyish-Tigerlilly** » 2005-07-30 02:38am

Are the Ori really, "real gods" though? I thought they were just really advanced beings to ascended somewhere. Was I mistaken, or are they truely divine now?

It just seems odd going from corporeal to divine.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2005-07-30 02:50am

The Ori sound like natural allies for Anubis.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-30 02:55am

EmperorSolo51 wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I'm a little irritated with the ending. They danced around the issue of Christianity and pretended to pay it lip service but also gave it to much credit after what we've seen in the series.
I kind of like the idea in the series that to ascend may not be the end all when it comes to enlightenment and not everything can be explained away and that the real compassionate head honcho, wether it "GOD" or maybe the devine will of the Universe is directing things.

The series is playing dangerously close with pissing off some of its fans by deciding to get on a soap box like that.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-30 02:57am

Not enough confidence in the writers skills eh? Need I remind everyone of Tealc, and he wasn't taken overboard.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-07-30 02:59am

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:Are the Ori really, "real gods" though? I thought they were just really advanced beings to ascended somewhere. Was I mistaken, or are they truely divine now?

It just seems odd going from corporeal to divine.

Well, they can bring back the dead. That's pretty divine. If they aren't "gods" they're defininitely some of the greater demigods. They don't seem to be omniscient, however.

Am I crazy, or did the Ori actually say "crusade"?

Zed Snardbody · Post by **Zed Snardbody** » 2005-07-30 03:03am

That shpeil at the end really got on my nerves. It felt like such a cop out.

Like telling a racist joke with "no offense, or some of my best friends are black" tacked on at the end.

As a show, I can understand a bit of ass covering as not alientate those that belive in something like that, but they just laid it on so bloody thick.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-07-30 03:14am

I kind of like the way they're doing the Jaffa. The higher-ups in the new government, especially those who were part of the Resistance for a while, are likely to never even consider ever accepting a god or gods again.

The fact that the Orii are, for all intents and purposes, actual gods promises some fun Orii - Jaffa interaction to come.

Not to mention Roman style architecture = badass

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2005-07-30 03:14am

Alyeska wrote:Actualy the Replicators left Ida. As far as we know the Replicator Five brought them all to the milky way.

It would be rediculously easy for the writes to invent some sort of contingency plan; espically since they have an "Evil Genius" as the head replicator for a time.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-07-30 03:33am

I think the writers buried a number of storylines at the end of last season, and the reppies were one of them. Now, how do we beat the Orii? The FURLINGS!

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2005-07-30 03:46am

I want them to find a hive-ship empty except for Ford. Now THAT would be awesome.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-30 05:01am

Boyish-Tigerlilly wrote:Are the Ori really, "real gods" though? I thought they were just really advanced beings to ascended somewhere. Was I mistaken, or are they truely divine now?

Assuming you're able to tolerate the concept of a pantheon, then yes, they're, to all intents and purpouses, the real deal.

It just seems odd going from corporeal to divine.

See, Jesus. Or for that matter, Osiris, Isis and Horus.

Akaramu Shinja · Post by **Akaramu Shinja** » 2005-07-30 08:53am

Has anyone given thought to the idea that the Alterrans/Ori actually did create Humans? Before they got all fantical or better-than-thou. Which would essentially make the Ori right about being the creators of Humanity and as such, their gods in a way.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2005-07-30 09:00am

I think the reason for the non-interference rule of the Others is explained. They don't interfere with lesser beings because they're afraid of becoming like the Ori. While they are arrogant, they're nice enough to leave us alone. If we want to worship them, they don't care one whit. The Ori are, more or less, ascended Goa'ulds without the snakes.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2005-07-30 11:22am

Zed Snardbody wrote:That shpeil at the end really got on my nerves. It felt like such a cop out.

Like telling a racist joke with "no offense, or some of my best friends are black" tacked on at the end.

As a show, I can understand a bit of ass covering as not alientate those that belive in something like that, but they just laid it on so bloody thick.

The entire scene was cringe-worthy. I am also put off by the fact that outside this board, many stargate fans probably either didn't care or actually probably liked that scene.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2005-07-30 11:26am

ArmorPierce wrote:
Zed Snardbody wrote:That shpeil at the end really got on my nerves. It felt like such a cop out.

Like telling a racist joke with "no offense, or some of my best friends are black" tacked on at the end.

As a show, I can understand a bit of ass covering as not alientate those that belive in something like that, but they just laid it on so bloody thick.
The entire scene was cringe-worthy. I am also put off by the fact that outside this board, many stargate fans probably either didn't care or actually probably liked that scene.

Yes, that ending scene made me cringe. The preaching was irritating. I voted solidly in the "mediocre" category.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-30 11:30am

Akaramu Shinja wrote:Has anyone given thought to the idea that the Alterrans/Ori actually did create Humans? Before they got all fantical or better-than-thou. Which would essentially make the Ori right about being the creators of Humanity and as such, their gods in a way.

They did, as far as we know, recreate all life in the Milky Way.

Humm. I wonder if the Orii could have created the plague.

Akaramu Shinja · Post by **Akaramu Shinja** » 2005-07-30 11:31am

NecronLord wrote:Humm. I wonder if the Orii could have created the plague.

Would that suggest that the Orii ascended first? Assuming I'm getting my Ancient history correct, the plague came before their ascension right?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-30 11:44am

You are correct. Or they could have just used "conventional" biological weapons.

Quadlok · Post by **Quadlok** » 2005-07-30 01:01pm

I liked the part were Ronan the total badass passed out after getting his tracking device removed. Of course, the fact that he was back up and in top form within hours kind of detracted from it.

Seeing those Wraith Darts zipping out of the stargate again raises a question. Why hasn't every podunk tribe located near one put a big damn rock pile right outside the splash perimeter? If they want to terrorize some poor planet, make 'em use their slowass ships.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-30 01:05pm

I have a feeling the more developed communities probably have done such things.

I think the Wraith sent the darts when they detected the signal go dead because they wanted to pick up Ronnon.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-07-30 03:41pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I want them to find a hive-ship empty except for Ford. Now THAT would be awesome.

Ford was cool before all this happened.

That would just make him Indiana Jones material as far as cool goes.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-07-30 03:57pm

Not bad, but not as good as The Siege pt 3. Seeing Ford after he's had some time to adjust to being Super-Ford™ was a nice treat, though. Eh, 3/5.

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