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Actually there is at least one who is worse at debating,Master of Ossus wrote:Impossible. No one is stupider or worse at debating than Mr. Anderson.Morning Star wrote:If you even offer an opinion in which the B5 FOs, or in particular The Triad, lose he goes beserk and locks on to you. At times his debating tactics have been worse than GK2's.Vympel wrote:What exactly does Adarx think anyway?
how the fuck ?Ender wrote:* That the Vorlons have 10 teraton/sec main gunsVympel wrote:What exactly does Adarx think anyway?
Good ol no limits fallacy.* That despite the fact that it is lost tech for them and he can't back it up without going into alot of semantics about the passage the Triad will just dissipate (dissolve them at the atomic level) entire space nations at the same time
Even though they said it was 2MT in the show, of course* That 2MT was just the primer for an exoton level nuke (that one I'm not clear on if that's what he thinks or not, but he is always arguing that the nuke must have been exoton, and that 2 MT was just the primer)
That's not toooo bad. A range of 500-600MT was originally given, IIRC. Fuck I forgot to watch Babylon 5 yesterday. Fuck fuck FUCK.* That despite Vir saying the nukes were 500 MT they are 600MT
That's just absurd. We SEE it get blown to BITS!!! Are they actually this bad?!* That the Battle Crab was not destroyed in Into The Fire
I've heard rabid-Fivers claiming that a Warlock could own an EXECUTOR CLASS STAR DESTROYER!Vympel wrote:That's just absurd. We SEE it get blown to BITS!!! Are they actually this bad?!* That the Battle Crab was not destroyed in Into The Fire
That's nothing. Some of these dimwits have reportedly claimed that the FuckOffs--er--FOs would be able to defeat the Culture.Master of Ossus wrote:I've heard rabid-Fivers claiming that a Warlock could own an EXECUTOR CLASS STAR DESTROYER!
Enlightenment wrote:That's nothing. Some of these dimwits have reportedly claimed that the FuckOffs--er--FOs would be able to defeat the Culture.Master of Ossus wrote:I've heard rabid-Fivers claiming that a Warlock could own an EXECUTOR CLASS STAR DESTROYER!
Idiots.
Babylon 5's is scientifically plausible in the way that the fighters maneuver, and that's about it. Beyond that, JMS shamefully misinterprets the notion of rotationally-simulated gravity to mean "rotation anywhere = gravity everywhere". Also, he fails to realize that if Earth has the technology to counteract accelerative forces, that it isn't much of a stretch to say that they can generate artificial gravity.Master of Ossus wrote:I love B5, but to say that it is more realistic than other universes is silly. Like Star Trek, it makes an attempt at realism to help make it believable, but also like Star Trek it fails miserably in doing so, simply because the people who designed it do not fully understand physics or science.FaxModem1 wrote:Well, B5 tries to maintain reality, a lot more so than other scifi shows and movies, also, the story is wonderful, rais your hand if you find the B5 story awful or bad or not well written, or to put it simply like Enterprise.
That is why B5 is the greatest in scifi to me, in combat, it would be crushed by the Empire, but in story, it surpasses it. At least that is what I believe.
Based off B5techs armor multipleir work and game mechanics.Vympel wrote:how the fuck ?
It gets better when if you read the passage it doesn't say anythng about having that capabilityGood ol no limits fallacy.
Of course.Even though they said it was 2MT in the show, of course
Yes a range was given because G'Kar was attempting to convert it to human measurements. Vir later qualifies them at 500 MT. But that is convienently glossed over.That's not toooo bad. A range of 500-600MT was originally given, IIRC. Fuck I forgot to watch Babylon 5 yesterday. Fuck fuck FUCK.
Yes.That's just absurd. We SEE it get blown to BITS!!! Are they actually this bad?!
Yes, it works out to be 60 MT really. Meaning the FOs get stomped by Trek.Kamakazie Sith wrote:Didn't those 500MT nukes detonate at a distance from the Shadow vessels? If so wouldn't the actual energy delivered to target be dramatically reduced?
Kamakazie Sith wrote:Didn't those 500MT nukes detonate at a distance from the Shadow vessels? If so wouldn't the actual energy delivered to target be dramatically reduced?
Also the battle crab was not able to activate it's rapid dispersal hull shielding.Shinova wrote:Kamakazie Sith wrote:Didn't those 500MT nukes detonate at a distance from the Shadow vessels? If so wouldn't the actual energy delivered to target be dramatically reduced?
Actually, not only was it at a distance, but only about 10-15% of the total energy hit the battlecrab, due to the spherical nature of the explosion and the fairly narrow profile of the ship. Therefore, only about 50MT hit the battlecrab and the ship was blown to bits.
Does it occur to you that if 60MT can do that to a Shadow battlecrab, then a single beam which does the same thing need not be more than 60MT either?SyntaxVorlon wrote:Also the higher range for Vorlon weapons that that person was assuming(teraton per shot) may have been based on the fact that in one episode a shadow ship was destroyed by a vorlon ship even though it was dispersing the heat of the vorlon beam over its entire hull, thus the entire surface area was heated to the amount that that shadow was by a single beam.
How do you "activate" a built in property?SyntaxVorlon wrote: Also the battle crab was not able to activate it's rapid dispersal hull shielding.
No, it was based off of bullshit and game mechanics. Interludes & examinations A) has nothing to do with it B) can't be analyzed anyhow because ships are not static, they have different comonents and fueld and reactors.Also the higher range for Vorlon weapons that that person was assuming(teraton per shot) may have been based on the fact that in one episode a shadow ship was destroyed by a vorlon ship even though it was dispersing the heat of the vorlon beam over its entire hull, thus the entire surface area was heated to the amount that that shadow was by a single beam.
Laws of motion and the TIEs.SyntaxVorlon wrote:One thing I've never figured out...
If an ISD shield can take Teratones worth of damage, why did it need to shoot down the small asteroids and meteoriods when it was prowling through the Hoth System?
Actually, if it was a watts based threshold like Wars shielding, the fact that it was a bomb could be important. Course there is no evidence that that is the case.Darth Wong wrote:Does it occur to you that if 60MT can do that to a Shadow battlecrab, then a single beam which does the same thing need not be more than 60MT either?
I'm asking you to exercise your brain a bit, not simply demand that I give you the answer right away. Think of it as a homework question.Shinova wrote:How does Newton's third law tie in with ISDs and asteroids? An ISD was destroyed by an asteroid, if I remember correctly. (From Empire Strikes Back, during the asteroid field pursuit)
No.Shinova wrote: An ISD was destroyed by an asteroid, if I remember correctly. (From Empire Strikes Back, during the asteroid field pursuit)
Ender wrote:No.Shinova wrote: An ISD was destroyed by an asteroid, if I remember correctly. (From Empire Strikes Back, during the asteroid field pursuit)
1) Even the complete destruction of the superstructure, which did not happen, would not have destroyed an ISD. The rest of it is far too massive.
2) The bridge wasn't destroyed, we see the captain on video
3) The bit in the novel refers to a different ship, HDS has the storyboard sequence for it somewhere, and it shows a smaller ship possibly a TIE being destroyed. This part was cut from the film.
F=maDarth Wong wrote:Newton's Third Law. Think carefully about this.
Won't the initial velocity of the asteroid have to be factored in as well? I recall the asteroid moving at least 400 meters per sec.SyntaxVorlon wrote:F=maDarth Wong wrote:Newton's Third Law. Think carefully about this.
Ok so lets assume that the mass of this rock was accelerating relative to the acceleration of the ISD, let's assume a low acceleration, 10(m/s^2) And that it had a mass of, as stated in the TLCs, 3.2e7 kgs.
And you get a force of 3.2e8 Newtons
J=Nm
so 1.024e16 J or 1.024e10 MJ or 1.024e7 TJ
30 TJ ~ 8 KT
3750 TJ ~ 1 MT
10,240,000 TJ ~ 2 GT
Since you guys are adamant in claiming that an ISD can take 10s of Tera Tons then this would be less then a 1% drop in shields the only way for that ISD to be hurt significantly would be if it was moving at an acceleration of hundreds of meters per second, and as the asteroid is only 20 meter wide, then this ISD does not seem to be moving any more than 50-70 m/s not even accelerating.
Apart from demonstrating that you don't know sweet fuck-all about elementary kinematics and collision mechanics, what else did you hope to prove with this post?SyntaxVorlon wrote:F=maDarth Wong wrote:Newton's Third Law. Think carefully about this.
Ok so lets assume that the mass of this rock was accelerating relative to the acceleration of the ISD, let's assume a low acceleration, 10(m/s^2) And that it had a mass of, as stated in the TLCs, 3.2e7 kgs.
And you get a force of 3.2e8 Newtons
J=Nm
so 1.024e16 J or 1.024e10 MJ or 1.024e7 TJ
30 TJ ~ 8 KT
3750 TJ ~ 1 MT
10,240,000 TJ ~ 2 GT
Since you guys are adamant in claiming that an ISD can take 10s of Tera Tons then this would be less then a 1% drop in shields the only way for that ISD to be hurt significantly would be if it was moving at an acceleration of hundreds of meters per second, and as the asteroid is only 20 meter wide, then this ISD does not seem to be moving any more than 50-70 m/s not even accelerating.
