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Darth_Shinji wrote:A preds clock is bullet-proof in the secound movie. And his blades can go through steel. That laser has done simarly damage as a blaster has before. His other weapons vaprize aleins.

I can give far more immpressive feats of toughness from the movies and novels then the above. But that isn't armour per say. :D
Bullet proof doesn't mean blaster proof. Especially when you consider the tiny explosions that Preddy #1 took damage from.

Cutting through steel is NOT the same thing as cutting through SW metals which are much stronger.

When has Preddy's lasers blasted big holes in a wall like Han's did to the Mos Eisley docking bay or the Trooper's blasters did to the Death Star cell block door?

Which weapons vaporise aliens? If you recal, the Preddy's like to keep the skulls of their prey as trophies. This isn't possible if you vaporise them.
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Darth Servo wrote:Which weapons vaporise aliens? If you recal, the Preddy's like to keep the skulls of their prey as trophies. This isn't possible if you vaporise them.
Worse yet, it's a bald-faced lie. We're explicitly shown in Predator II how the Predator goes about extracting skulls from downed prey. Vaporization is not involved.
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SAMAS wrote:Never fired at one. But you're measuring the situation out of context. That's when Jango was using his jetpack to escape. I.e.: a full burn to escape. Unless you think he could accurately target someone while moving that fast. Check the time Jango used his jetpack in a tactical sense, like when he was fighting Obi-Wan.
Bullshit. You claimed that the Predator's shoulder gun fired a bolt faster than Fett's jetpack, and I showed you how utterly absurd this claim was.
No, you just showed a scene of Jango Fett running off, without comparison, and claimed it was higher.

You proved nothing that Jango's backpack was faster when used in a tactical situation(i.e. when he used it when fighting Obi-Wan on Kamino, which was slower than his escape on Coruscant).

Nor did you prove that Boba would be able to accurately target anything while flying at such speeds. There's a reason why he was flying slower on Kamino.
Of course, if you want him to run, go right ahead.


Well duh. The Predator would come to Coruscant to kill him, so Fett would be the prey.
So everytime the Predator attacks, Fett is just going to run away? So what happens when the Predator's first move is to put a dart in that thing?
And every time he has used it, it was for percise, sniper-style shooting at firtually unmoving targets. However, he has used it to target and kill moving targets as well.


When?


First movie, as he was tracking the soldiers as the moved through the forest.
And you're an even bigger moron if you think the Predator is going to sit there in the open like an idiot. It's called jumping onto a ledge, moving to cover, cloaking, and moving around to attack from another angle while Fett checks his sensors to find him.
It doesn't matter. The Predator will naturally be pursuing Fett wherever he goes, and Fett knows Coruscant's layout better than the Predator! He can't avoid Fett. Fett has superior weaponry, mobility and knowledge of the combat terrain. He's got this one in the bag.
Superior weapons? Let's compare.

Fett
Blaster
Flamethower
Concussion missile
Line thrower

Predator
Shoulder blaster(Scatter Gun?)
Combi Stick
Smart Disk
Dart launcher
Net Launcher
Wrist Claws
Portable Micro-Nuke

And if you add in the graphic Novels, that also brings in:

Nagaita
Plasma-Caster(Rifle)
Shoulder/Arm Laser
Grenades

As for training, if you go strictly by the movies, Fett's dead meat. Adding in the novels on both sides means he has a chance against all but the senior hunters.

This is, of course, assuming the Predator attacks him in an open area. The rooftops are not the place where the Predator would perfer to set up shop, if you want to go by having Fett come for him first. In fact, in the lower, older parts of the planet where he;d likely park his ship, using the jetpack for more than running or repositioning woud be rather stupid.


I'm sure that's the case when he is ravaging a more primitive race, but Fett isn't going to run to a place where a gigantic mobility advantage disappears. Furthermore, even if he was in close quarters, Fett has a flamethrower and visual acuity on par or better than the Predator's. He also has more armor and better weaponry. The Predator might make it a little harder for him in the depths of Coruscant, but he'd still win.
The Predator can chose the site of the battle, and attack at any time. He won't give Fett the chance to say wether or not to battle in a certain area, particularly if/when Boba decides to come after him. And a Flamethower is going to do little more than piss a Pred off.
Damn, but you're stupid.

And exactly how is he supposed to get this sudden change in direction? His primary thruster faces in only one direction, and the maneuvering thrusters are far smaller.
What the fuck are you talking about? He can fly side to side and maneuver, as demonstrated when he fought Obi-Wan on Geonosis.
Actually, that was Jango, not Boba. And Jango still turned with a slowness that would've been suicide against any opponent with a blaster.
Yep. Basically, it's visual camoflague, bending visible light, at least, around the Predator. I didnt count on it to make him undetectable. However, it would work for breaking up his sillouette.
It doesn't bend light, or else you'd have a gigantic antigravitational force pushing everything away from the Predator. He could simply walk up to his targets and kill them with tidal forces. Its effects look more like some sort of photographic film.
I didn't say how they did it. They clearly state in Predator 2 that it bends light around it.
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Durandal wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Which weapons vaporise aliens? If you recal, the Preddy's like to keep the skulls of their prey as trophies. This isn't possible if you vaporise them.
Worse yet, it's a bald-faced lie. We're explicitly shown in Predator II how the Predator goes about extracting skulls from downed prey. Vaporization is not involved.
You certainly took a chance with this one didn't you? Assuming that they took heads in every sitaution even not in a hunt. Tho to be honest its more along the line of turning them into ash and cutting them in half in the case of the small burners... not the big burners when they capture a queen. I'm looking for that book now.
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SAMAS wrote:No, you just showed a scene of Jango Fett running off, without comparison, and claimed it was higher.
That's because it is. The Predator's bolt is slow. You claimed that this was not the case. If the battle takes place in a district of Coruscant similar to where Obi-Wan and Anakin pursued Zam, the Predator would be fucked. If it was indoors, it would most likely go to close-quarters combat, in which case all Fett has to do is ignite the Predator with the flamethrower conveniently located on his arm. Or grab him with a grappling hook.
You proved nothing that Jango's backpack was faster when used in a tactical situation(i.e. when he used it when fighting Obi-Wan on Kamino, which was slower than his escape on Coruscant).
If he's trying to avoid ranged weapon attacks (like, oh, I dunno, the Predator's shoulder gun), I don't think he'll ratchet the speed back.
Nor did you prove that Boba would be able to accurately target anything while flying at such speeds. There's a reason why he was flying slower on Kamino.


Or maybe it was because Obi-Wan couldn't hit him from a distance. Either way, Boba Fett can maneuver in three dimensions with ease, while the Predator cannot, and he can accurately target moving objects while maneuvering. You've danced around this simple fact long enough.
So everytime the Predator attacks, Fett is just going to run away? So what happens when the Predator's first move is to put a dart in that thing?


What if Fett's first move is to roast the Predator with his blaster? Or fire a rocket at him? Or set him on fire? Or poison him with a dart? Or leash him with his grappling hook and take him for a ride?
First movie, as he was tracking the soldiers as the moved through the forest.


Which soldier was killed while moving in any kind of evasive pattern?
Superior weapons? Let's compare.

Fett
Blaster
Flamethower
Concussion missile
Line thrower

Predator
Shoulder blaster(Scatter Gun?)
Combi Stick
Smart Disk
Dart launcher
Net Launcher
Wrist Claws
Portable Micro-Nuke
More does not mean better. The shoulder blaster cannot be fired anywhere near as rapidly as Fett's blasters. Fett's armor was unscathed after he'd been trampled by the arena beast. Furthermore, it's made of Mandalorian iron, which can resist lightsaber strikes. I highly doubt the Predator's melee weapons would be able to penetrate it. Fett also has blades on his armor, which he used while fighting Obi-Wan on Kamino. You also forgot paralyzing darts, which he used in the Han Solo trilogy (either that or it was the Boba Fett trilogy) which forces the target to obey his commands.
And if you add in the graphic Novels, that also brings in:

Nagaita
Plasma-Caster(Rifle)
Shoulder/Arm Laser
Grenades

As for training, if you go strictly by the movies, Fett's dead meat. Adding in the novels on both sides means he has a chance against all but the senior hunters.


Where is the proof that any of the graphic novels are canon?
The Predator can chose the site of the battle, and attack at any time. He won't give Fett the chance to say wether or not to battle in a certain area, particularly if/when Boba decides to come after him. And a Flamethower is going to do little more than piss a Pred off.


The Predator has plenty of exposed flesh that can be roasted by a flamethrower or blaster. Furthermore, wherever the Predator decides to take the battle, he'll lose. Outside, Fett can maneuver in three dimensions with no trouble. Inside, he has vastly superior armor and close-quarters weapons.
Actually, that was Jango, not Boba. And Jango still turned with a slowness that would've been suicide against any opponent with a blaster.


So? They wear virtually the same armor, and they're clones. I don't think it's a stretch to say that whatever Jango was capable of, Boba is, as well, also considering that Boba achieved much more notoriety than Jango.
I didn't say how they did it. They clearly state in Predator 2 that it bends light around it.
And I clearly state what would happen if that was the case.
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Darth_Shinji wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Which weapons vaporise aliens? If you recal, the Preddy's like to keep the skulls of their prey as trophies. This isn't possible if you vaporise them.
Worse yet, it's a bald-faced lie. We're explicitly shown in Predator II how the Predator goes about extracting skulls from downed prey. Vaporization is not involved.
You certainly took a chance with this one didn't you? Assuming that they took heads in every sitaution even not in a hunt. Tho to be honest its more along the line of turning them into ash and cutting them in half in the case of the small burners... not the big burners when they capture a queen. I'm looking for that book now.
Why don't you look for something that says any of the books or graphic novels are canon?
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SAMAS wrote:Fett

Blaster
Flamethower
Concussion missile
Line thrower
He carries a carbine, which is better for longer-ranged attacks. And the missile is also good for longer-ranged attacks. The flamethrower and hook are better for short-range.
Predator

Shoulder blaster(Scatter Gun?)
Combi Stick
Smart Disk
Dart launcher
Net Launcher
Wrist Claws
Portable Micro-Nuke
None of those weapons are any good at long-range. The shoulder gun does a number on flesh but could not seriously damage a rifle and could not even penetrate a tree to any noticeable extent. It might not even kill an armoured man with a direct hit. As for the rest, they are mostly toys which are only good at very short range, and the portable nuke is a "concession accepted" weapon at best, because he kills himself if he uses it (assuming he lingers long enough after the mortal wound to do that).
And if you add in the graphic Novels, that also brings in:

Nagaita
Plasma-Caster(Rifle)
Shoulder/Arm Laser
Grenades
And if you add in the Fett novels, he likes to use heavy weapons whenever appropriate, so he'd be using blaster rifles with multi-kilometre range. He could fly up to the top of a multi-km building and simply snipe from there.
As for training, if you go strictly by the movies, Fett's dead meat. Adding in the novels on both sides means he has a chance against all but the senior hunters.
What training? The Predator demonstrates good tracking/hunting skills in the jungle, but in the city, he gets identified by G-men and can't even beat an LA cop in his fifties.
The Predator can chose the site of the battle, and attack at any time.
Are you on drugs? The combatant with superior weapons range and mobility can always choose the site of the battle.
Actually, that was Jango, not Boba. And Jango still turned with a slowness that would've been suicide against any opponent with a blaster.
Viewed from behind, most fighter planes appear to turn very slowly, too.
It doesn't bend light, or else you'd have a gigantic antigravitational force pushing everything away from the Predator. He could simply walk up to his targets and kill them with tidal forces. Its effects look more like some sort of photographic film.
I didn't say how they did it. They clearly state in Predator 2 that it bends light around it.
Are you always this dense? A bunch of G-men led by Gary Busey state their hypothesis, and you treat this as irrefutable proof?
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Lets see the weapons of the pred.
KI'CTI-PA (WRIST BLADES)

The Ki'cti-pa is the weapon chosen for most Yautja. Twin blades, double-edged, and sharp enough to tear through bone, these retractable blades are effective against large and small opponents. Using it shows the Yuatja pride, because they must fight face-to-face. They are the recommended first weapons because of their effectiveness. The barbs on the back are typically used against unarmored foes, and the weapon can be used to parry/trap other blades.
Length is 6 to 18 inches. Width is the blades can be spread from two to eight inches apart.

ACID RESISTANT CLAWSThese are almost identical to normal Wrist blades. In fact, the housing is the same. These new blades are only an inch longer, and are immune to all forms of damage including alien acid. The blades are virtually indestructible. The damage is only slightly more though. Those who have fought for many battles usually have made this simple upgrade.
SCATTERGUN

The Scattergun is a hand-held plasma gun that fires a net of energy out to a long range. The weapon is, unfortunately, very clumsy, taking up a hand which can be replaced by melee weapons. Most prefer the shoulder mounted plasma caster.
NAGINATA

The Naginata is part weapon, part ceremonial trophy. It is a beautifully, plated, and encrusted pole arm with double bladed ends. Each end is a super sharp collection of knives causing devastating damage if struck upon a hapless victim. The blades can flawlessly cut through almost ever substance and is totally immune to alien acid. The Naginata also has a conducting field which allows it to be cloaked when in hand. When the weapon strikes, however, it becomes visible. The Naginata is an image of Honor and demands respect when brandished.
It is 7 feet long and weighs 8 pounds.
DART GUNThe Dart Gun is the closest Predator equivalent to a pistol. It fires self-propelled flachetes that inflict little damage but do come with a poisoned. The weapon is small and easily concealed. The launcher uses a highly compressed air charge.
Length: 2 inches of blade, four inches of shaft that fit into the launcher.
Weight: the firing mechanism weighs 4 oz, darts have no appreciable weight (1 oz.)
NET LAUNCHER

The Net Launcher is small and usually reserved for when a Hunter is planning to enter a major combat area and the temporary incapacitation of a subject is necessary. The net launcher is not a kind weapon. The net usually pins a victim to the floor or a wall with razor sharp wire that viscously cuts into the flesh, making an escape a painful experience. It has several high penetration spikes around its outer rim.
The net is only large enough to entrap one creature roughly Yautja-sized, but it fires with enough force to pin a creature against a wall or thick column. The force of this projectile can also lift a 100-kilogram target off the ground and throw him up to 12 feet and flies at 200mph to 500mph, depending on the thickness of the oxygen in the immediate area. The net needs a blade to be cut. This keeps up until the subject is released or is killed. The net can also release on a trigger from the weapon.
The projectile launching device is hand held by the Yautja, and the trigger is hit by the thumb on the top thumb support. The launching device is carried inside of a holster that can be attached on either the backpack, or one of the kneepads.
Length is six inches, weight is 6 oz.
Pictured here is the Net Gun.

Forearm Plasma-CasterUsed in tandem with the more powerful, shoulder-mounted version, this ejector has far greater accuracy in the short range. The weapon, unlike the larger one, is not fired by the Predator's lower mandible (tusk), but is actually triggered when the hunter fully extends his arm. It weighs 2 pounds and has a range of 400 feet.
Forearm LaserAlmost identical to the small plasma caster, this weapon sacrifices a little power for a lot of range. The weapon is also fired when the hunter fully extends his arm. It weighs 2 pounds and has a range of 2000 feet.

THE COMBI STICKThe Combi-Stick is self-powered, telescoping spear that is merely one meter at its shortest length. The Combi-stick extends by two meters at each end, making it a formidable weapon for close range attacks. Made of nearly unbreakable alloys, sharpened tips on either end produce electrical charges as it slices through any surface.
Once thrown, it will maintain a 99% straight trajectory until it runs into something, or until it goes 1000 ft, when it will fall to the ground. When this happens, it retracts into its travel form and waiting to be found by the hunter that threw it. Also an excellent polearm for whirlwind Bo-style attacks.
By twisting the grip and pumping the shaft like a shotgun slide, the hunter can send up to a dozen skewers into his prey. It weighs 6.5 - 10 pounds. Its battery lasts 2 years.

THE SMART DISK
The Smart Disk is thin and ultra light. This internally powered airborne weapon is crafted of materials that produce the Combi-Stick, easily slicing through an opponent with its devastating razor edges. The blades extend when drawn, bringing it from an oval configuration to a circular one. When thrown, it will leave the thrower's grasp and do severe harm to anything living in its flight path. (It creates a disruptive field around itself, which can cut through the hardest of metals.) Much like a boomerang, it returns loyally to the hand of the thrower, but this is due to electronics, not aerodynamics. The disc will burn out its power core if not picked up by someone within thirty minutes.
The diameter is 7 inches when sheathed, 11 inches diameter when in use. Weight is 3.5 pounds.
The Elders decree that the concentration needed to retrieve a combat-standard disk is not present in minds of young Yuatja, therefore disks are not given until proven they can use it wisely.

SHOULDER PLASMA CASTER
The Shoulder Cannon, the most powerful aid in a Warrior's arsenal, is a mounted and lightweight weapon capable of firing multiple long-range blasts of super heated plasma. It has a 180-degree firing arc horizontally and 90 degrees vertically and fired the Predator's lower mandible (tusk), as the fire controls are located on the inside of the mask/helmet of the Predator's armor.
The destructive power unleashed by these bursts is immense. The weapon tracks with the head movement of the firer. The weapon must be attached to a Hunter's Mask or a Bio Helmet for this to work. It can be used with the Laser Sight to increase the targeting capacity. It is powered by the power pack of the suit.
It is one of a Yautja's most powerful weapons, and is used only in hunting prey with similar capabilities. This weapon is often discarded by older warriors.
It weighs five pounds and has a range of 1200 feet. The batter running the laser rack can run up to 10 years, and the battery generating the rounds is effective for up to 8 months, but can be recharged with a special kit.

Dual Shoulder Mounted Heavy Laser CannonA fully wartime weapon, this blaster system uses a single targeting mark to home both blasts in on. A favorite when harvesting "bug" queens. It weighs 12 pounds (total) and has a range of 5000 feet.

Shoulder Mounted Micro Missile LauncherAlso a wartime/harvest weapon, this launcher system uses a similar targeting system to direct the small semi-guided rockets towards their targets. These shots can also be laser-guided to a moving target if the Predator keeps his tri-beam locked on to it. The system has a single mount to the center back and one shoulder, or can have a second launch arm added for half again the cost.
The weight is 35 pounds. The missiles themselves weigh about a pound. Its range is 4000 feet.
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ortable Anti Vehicle Plasma Bolt CannonThis weapon would never be used for a hunt. Designed primarily for defending Predator landing craft, this weapon launches a "packet" of compressed plasma to a distance of three miles! Fired in the same way as a bazooka or rocket propelled grenade (RPG), it is considered barely "Yautja portable". This weapon has the approximate power of a shipboard laser cannon. Only good for sixty shots before needing an overhaul.
Simply put, this is a dirty radiation weapon. The relatively unfocused energy is deadly for even mildly prolonged use to any race with human like tolerances to radiation. The Yautja have a strong immunity to high radiation levels, so they use this weapon with impunity as needed.
The weight is 175 pounds and its range is 3 miles.


Bobba is cut in half by a smart aol cd :D
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Nice list, but all of those weapons are severely outranged by a typical SW combat weapon. Hand blasters are short-ranged, but they were firing blasters at walkers which were still at least 5 km away! Boba can simply sit on top of one of the Coruscant skyscrapers, look for his target, and pick him off at long range. All of those useless flashy close-range and medium-range toys won't help him for shit.
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alright then, he will just bring up in his shuttle, park it, and put it on "mass-Desctruct" mode.

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Necro99 wrote:alright then, he will just bring up in his shuttle, park it, and put it on "mass-Desctruct" mode.

Tata corsuant!
Or maybe not...
Don't even try to pit a Predator ship against Slave-1. That just makes it worse.
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While we're adding in more absurdities, why don't we just have Fett subcontract another assassin, like he did for the assassination of Padme? Fett certainly has no inhibitions as far as an expedient kill is concerned.
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[quote="DurandalMore does not mean better. The shoulder blaster cannot be fired anywhere near as rapidly as Fett's blasters. Fett's armor was unscathed after he'd been trampled by the arena beast. Furthermore, it's made of Mandalorian iron, which can resist lightsaber strikes. I highly doubt the Predator's melee weapons would be able to penetrate it.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget that Arnie took a hit from the shoulder cannon square in the chest and it just singed his shirt.
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If Batman can beat Predators three times, I bet either Fett could!
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Graeme Dice wrote:[quote="DurandalMore does not mean better. The shoulder blaster cannot be fired anywhere near as rapidly as Fett's blasters. Fett's armor was unscathed after he'd been trampled by the arena beast. Furthermore, it's made of Mandalorian iron, which can resist lightsaber strikes. I highly doubt the Predator's melee weapons would be able to penetrate it.
Don't forget that Arnie took a hit from the shoulder cannon square in the chest and it just singed his shirt.[/quote]

You are sure of that? What I recal is the Pred shot at Arnie's weapon apart with his shoulder cannon.
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Somebody (lost in this thread somewhere) wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:
Graeme Dice wrote:[quote="DurandalMore does not mean better. The shoulder blaster cannot be fired anywhere near as rapidly as Fett's blasters. Fett's armor was unscathed after he'd been trampled by the arena beast. Furthermore, it's made of Mandalorian iron, which can resist lightsaber strikes. I highly doubt the Predator's melee weapons would be able to penetrate it.
Don't forget that Arnie took a hit from the shoulder cannon square in the chest and it just singed his shirt.
You are sure of that? What I recal is the Pred shot at Arnie's weapon apart with his shoulder cannon.
Now, come on, guys!! We're supposed to be talking about extraordinary hunter types, not Arnie. :shock:

Of course Arnie is bullet-proof, blaster-proof, grenade-proof (see Commando), line-proof, water-proof, shock-proof and just about anything-proof.

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A preds clock is bullet-proof in the secound movie. And his blades can go through steel. That laser has done simarly damage as a blaster has before. His other weapons vaprize aleins.

I can give far more immpressive feats of toughness from the movies and novels then the above. But that isn't armour per say. :D
A pred's cloak is bulletproof? Is that what you meant? If so, it's bullshit. He has armor that can withstand bullets on a very small percentage of his body- this was where the bullets impacted.

Since I last posted, the bullshit SAMAS posted has been amazing. I know how fast a Predator plasma bolt moves, so does everyone else. It's hardly on the level of a blaster- ref: the plasma bolt that kills the first Jamaican in the penthouse seen in Predator 2.
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Of course Arnie is bullet-proof, blaster-proof, grenade-proof (see Commando), line-proof, water-proof, shock-proof and just about anything-proof.

Stay with the thread... :wink:
Well, character shields aren't part of the debate :)

But, Pred's plasma caster was stopped by an M16, and it's effect on trees isn't particularly impressive either.

Not to mention it looks like a bloody firecracker in Predator II (why the fuck did they change it?!?!!?!?)
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Durandal wrote: Worse yet, it's a bald-faced lie. We're explicitly shown in Predator II how the Predator goes about extracting skulls from downed prey. Vaporization is not involved.
You certainly took a chance with this one didn't you? Assuming that they took heads in every sitaution even not in a hunt. Tho to be honest its more along the line of turning them into ash and cutting them in half in the case of the small burners... not the big burners when they capture a queen. I'm looking for that book now.
Why don't you look for something that says any of the books or graphic novels are canon?
Irrevelent to this particular point. I sayed that hand burners could vaporized aleins in the novels, you claimed this was a "bald-faced lie", and even if it isn't canon doesn't change the fact that you claimed I lied about the novels. And the big burners could blow aleins to tiny bits and allow 10 preds to kill 30 aleins in 15 seconds. The vaporization was actaully a terminators head in another comic, but its been so long mistakes happen.

But prehaps you should be farmilier with a particular subject before you claim someone lied about it? Could be helpful.
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Irrevelent to this particular point. I sayed that hand burners could vaporized aleins in the novels, you claimed this was a "bald-faced lie", and even if it isn't canon doesn't change the fact that you claimed I lied about the novels. And the big burners could blow aleins to tiny bits and allow 10 preds to kill 30 aleins in 15 seconds. The vaporization was actaully a terminators head in another comic, but its been so long mistakes happen.

But prehaps you should be farmilier with a particular subject before you claim someone lied about it? Could be helpful.
You still don't know if they're canon. Also, we have no idea whether what you're saying is actually the case.

Also, please check one of my prior posts. You claimed the cload was bulletproof, or not?
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Vympel wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:
Irrevelent to this particular point. I sayed that hand burners could vaporized aleins in the novels, you claimed this was a "bald-faced lie", and even if it isn't canon doesn't change the fact that you claimed I lied about the novels. And the big burners could blow aleins to tiny bits and allow 10 preds to kill 30 aleins in 15 seconds. The vaporization was actaully a terminators head in another comic, but its been so long mistakes happen.

But prehaps you should be farmilier with a particular subject before you claim someone lied about it? Could be helpful.
You still don't know if they're canon. Also, we have no idea whether what you're saying is actually the case.

Also, please check one of my prior posts. You claimed the cload was bulletproof, or not?
As soon as I find copyright info I'll post it. Apperently the CP is still owned by fox and they leased it to DarkHorse to make the comics and novels. What info should I look for to fit canonoitity?


And yes I did, In pred 2 the cloak gets bullet-proof. It isn't in the first movie however.
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And yes I did, In pred 2 the cloak gets bullet-proof. It isn't in the first movie however.
No, it doesn't. the bullets are impacting the few parts of his bodies where he has armor. Watch the movie.
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Darth_Shinji wrote:Irrevelent to this particular point. I sayed that hand burners could vaporized aleins in the novels, you claimed this was a "bald-faced lie", and even if it isn't canon doesn't change the fact that you claimed I lied about the novels. And the big burners could blow aleins to tiny bits and allow 10 preds to kill 30 aleins in 15 seconds. The vaporization was actaully a terminators head in another comic, but its been so long mistakes happen.
Wow, that's nice. Too bad you've got no proof that any of it is canon. When you say he can vaporize people, you're lying, because the films do not show off this capability. We're using only the films here, until you give me some proof that anything but the Predator films is admissible.
But prehaps you should be farmilier with a particular subject before you claim someone lied about it? Could be helpful.
So I haven't read all the graphic novels. Big deal. You haven't shown that there is any admissible information in there.
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Vympel wrote:
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And yes I did, In pred 2 the cloak gets bullet-proof. It isn't in the first movie however.
No, it doesn't. the bullets are impacting the few parts of his bodies where he has armor. Watch the movie.
You mean when the guy was firiering on him dead center in the subway?

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Danny Glover knocks him down with a sawed-off shotgun in the second movie. Lots of fluorescent green blood spraying around. He's obviously not bulletproof. And if the cloak itself was bulletproof, Mac wouldn't have been able to wound him with an M-16 in the first movie.
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