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I've just seen it and it was better than I expected. From the reviews it sounded like yet another time-travel-alternate-reality rehash, and in a sense it was, but it was pretty well-written. Baal's phone call and Jackson's new life were standouts for me, as was Landry telling SG-1 how arrogant they were; it's nice that someone finally acknowledges that "setting the timeline straight" usually involves wiping billions of lives out of existence. Not so much a problem when your planet is being decimated by evil aliens, but something to consider when the world you land on is doing okay.
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I thought it was pretty watchable, all said. I would've liked to have seen some threatening mushroom clouds too, but the story was the main thing and it was pretty decent. It was no Peacekeeper Wars or similar, but it stayed away from anything truly bad.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:Firepower may have seemed to be the most important thing when trying to bang into idiots' heads that they can't defeat SW ships but that's about it.

Oh, I have to admit that I didn't watch Continuum due to the fact that my library seemed to have lied about having a copy even though it's in their computer system. I suppose I should be thankful on their part if the movie is as horrible as many here have spoken of it.
I don't think it was horrible at all. You should most definitely watch it if you like Stargate at all.
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The following post contains spoilers.

I'm a fan of Stargate. Hell, I even managed to sit through and mostly enjoy the last two seasons of SG-1. And this movie sucked, and blew, simultaneously. There's just so many ridiculous plot-holes, and it's all tied neatly together at the end by a mashing of the reset button that puts Voyager to shame. The entire plot is a convoluted mess, than in the end means nothing, because by the end, the events of movie never fucking happened. Wow! Sadly, I knew it was going to end that way the moment they showed the Jackson had lost a leg.

For once, I'd like to see someone not mash the reset button. OH NO, HISTORY HAS BEEN CHANGED! CARTER'S DEAD IN THIS REALITY AND FARSCAPE DUDE WAS NEVER EVEN BORN! Great, run with it. Have them save the planet anyway, if you're going to go that route. Make it believable. But for fuck's sake you don't just say "lol well we went back and stopped him from changing history so now everything's back to normal and no one remembers anything but hey lol photo changed!"

Bullshit ending to a bullshit "movie". More disappointing than the Ark of Truth.
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SilverWingedSeraph wrote:The following post contains spoilers.

I'm a fan of Stargate. Hell, I even managed to sit through and mostly enjoy the last two seasons of SG-1. And this movie sucked, and blew, simultaneously. There's just so many ridiculous plot-holes, and it's all tied neatly together at the end by a mashing of the reset button that puts Voyager to shame. The entire plot is a convoluted mess, than in the end means nothing, because by the end, the events of movie never fucking happened. Wow! Sadly, I knew it was going to end that way the moment they showed the Jackson had lost a leg.

For once, I'd like to see someone not mash the reset button. OH NO, HISTORY HAS BEEN CHANGED! CARTER'S DEAD IN THIS REALITY AND FARSCAPE DUDE WAS NEVER EVEN BORN! Great, run with it. Have them save the planet anyway, if you're going to go that route. Make it believable. But for fuck's sake you don't just say "lol well we went back and stopped him from changing history so now everything's back to normal and no one remembers anything but hey lol photo changed!"

Bullshit ending to a bullshit "movie". More disappointing than the Ark of Truth.
To be honest wasn't the point of the entire movie, to reset the changes Baal made to the time line? I knew full well going into the movie that there'd be no changes to the Stargate universe at the end of it.

Besides, as I interpret it Jackson and Sam really died, the ones we see at the end are a alternate timeline version.
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And it's still bullshit. What's the entire point of the movie if nothing happens? No character development, no plot development, and the story was so convoluted I couldn't even summon up enough suspension of disbelief to enjoy it as a mindless pop-corn flick. Especially since there was so little action in the damn thing. More over, if time-travelling works the way it seems it works in this movie, then they didn't fix their own timeline at all, they just created a new one. And their own timeline still exists too. Otherwise it was so full of paradoxes that the Universe should have imploded. And even if you go with that explaination, it still makes no sense. So I don't know. Thinking about this movie just makes my goddamn head hurt.
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phongn wrote:It isn't. It happens to be discussed often, along with arguments about the scale of Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it is the most important thing. Out of all the things in Continuum that might be problematic, the short scene of Earth's bombardment makes you hate it? Seriously?
That and the horrendous performance of the Death Gliiders ships we know are capable of reaching Jupiter within hours yet the same ships somehow are incapable of outrunning or outperforming ordinary combat jets...

And in regards to firepower not being the most important thing around here you could have fooled everyone because it is the single most discussed thing in this whole board! Not plot, not characters just pure absolute overwhelming firepower...
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And Oh Yes I almost forgot to add this: The time reset plot has just gotten old seriously!

The movie is watchable but leaves a whole lot to be desired...
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phongn wrote:It isn't. It happens to be discussed often, along with arguments about the scale of Star Wars, but that doesn't mean it is the most important thing. Out of all the things in Continuum that might be problematic, the short scene of Earth's bombardment makes you hate it? Seriously?
That and the horrendous performance of the Death Gliiders ships we know are capable of reaching Jupiter within hours yet the same ships somehow are incapable of outrunning or outperforming ordinary combat jets...

And in regards to firepower not being the most important thing around here you could have fooled everyone because it is the single most discussed thing in this whole board! Not plot, not characters just pure absolute overwhelming firepower...
You can't pull constant acceleration in an atmosphere indefinitely like you can when flying from earth to Jupiter. If a DG tried it, they'd shake themselves apart, so it makes sense that they aren't infinitely fast.
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I enjoyed the movie for what it was: a nostalgic romp reminiscent of a middle season episode. Maybe the secret to enjoying it is to have low expectations, but I wasn't disappointed.

Baal's whole change in attitude toward Earth was quite funny. He wanted to conquer Earth intact because he enjoyed his stay so much.
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SilverWingedSeraph wrote: What's the entire point of the movie if nothing happens?
What's the point of watching Stargate at all then? Most episodes consisted of: SG1- gets sick/captured/trapped/lost/killed but they find a solution at the 35 minute mark. This show, just like Star Trek has always been predictable. The enjoyment came from the character interactions, their "adventures", drooling over Asgard tech, the humor and the occasional gunfight/space fight.
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edit: at least that's why I enjoyed Stargate.

CaptainChewbacca wrote: You can't pull constant acceleration in an atmosphere indefinitely like you can when flying from earth to Jupiter. If a DG tried it, they'd shake themselves apart, so it makes sense that they aren't infinitely fast.
I don't know. Aren't the Stargate type of Inertial Dampeners supposed to take care of that? They should be faster than Mach 3.
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edit: at least that's why I enjoyed Stargate.

CaptainChewbacca wrote: You can't pull constant acceleration in an atmosphere indefinitely like you can when flying from earth to Jupiter. If a DG tried it, they'd shake themselves apart, so it makes sense that they aren't infinitely fast.
I don't know. Aren't the Stargate type of Inertial Dampeners supposed to take care of that? They should be faster than Mach 3.
I wasn't aware inertial dampners affecting the outside of the ship, merely the cockpit area.

Atmospheric drag would still have an effect on the accelleration and top speed of the gliders.
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Stargate Nerd wrote:
SilverWingedSeraph wrote: What's the entire point of the movie if nothing happens?
What's the point of watching Stargate at all then? Most episodes consisted of: SG1- gets sick/captured/trapped/lost/killed but they find a solution at the 35 minute mark. This show, just like Star Trek has always been predictable. The enjoyment came from the character interactions, their "adventures", drooling over Asgard tech, the humor and the occasional gunfight/space fight.
The difference being, at least for me, that it had some impact on the characters, or some progress was made for Earth.

Really, Trek is a good example of this. As much as I hate reset button episodes, especially final episodes, "All Good Things" had at least the benefit of having Picard remember what happened to him, and held that he told others what had happened, thus changing more subtle events (Worf/Riker/Deanna relationship). Even Picard was changed by the event.

In contrast to Continuum, the only true events were that Baal got sucked out through an impossibly small needle, and everyone went home. Everything else was meaningless filler.
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I think Stargate is well past the point where there is any worthwhile character development to be had.

It's had ten seasons, all the character defining events took place in those ten seasons.

This film was a just a nostalgic romp, character development to hell. Lets blow some stuff up and fly some planes!.
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Zac Naloen wrote:
I wasn't aware inertial dampners affecting the outside of the ship, merely the cockpit area.

Atmospheric drag would still have an effect on the accelleration and top speed of the gliders.
I was under the impression that Stargate inertial dampeners start outside the ship, that they influence inertia and gravity. Isn't how Goa'uld sublight engines work? :?
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The difference being, at least for me, that it had some impact on the characters, or some progress was made for Earth.
Well there was progress for Earth. Baal is done as a threat.
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I was under the impression that Stargate inertial dampeners start outside the ship, that they influence inertia and gravity. Isn't how Goa'uld sublight engines work?
They work by the same principle but I never got the impression they weren't independant devices.


quite why it would protect the ship from the effects of drag at high speed escapes me though, the gliders don't exactly have a particularly aerodynamic design with all those rivets on the hull.
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Zac Naloen wrote:I think Stargate is well past the point where there is any worthwhile character development to be had.

It's had ten seasons, all the character defining events took place in those ten seasons.

This film was a just a nostalgic romp, character development to hell. Lets blow some stuff up and fly some planes!.
Stargate has never been shy about that. I had a hard time with "100" and "200" because i was trying to figure out how they spent money on making fun off themselves. Then I came to the conclusion taht Stargate doesn't it take itself that seriously. When I say that i don't mean they don't try to tell a story, I mean that they remember its all just for entertainment and nott a Higher Purpose.
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