Sci-Fi events of complete dickery created by lazy writers

CaptHawkeye · Post by **CaptHawkeye** » 2008-08-05 05:25pm

Swindle1984 wrote:
I didn't copy and paste it, fucktard. I read it years ago when it first came out and happened to agree wholeheartedly.

Yeah, my ass memory kicked in and somehow sounded an alarm that you copied it completely. Sorry for the accusation.

darthbob88 · Post by **darthbob88** » 2008-08-05 05:30pm

Gaidin wrote:
darthbob88 wrote:While we're on the subject of the Matrix: this. If the Matrix "knows" the location of every individual out there, and the details for that location, and has methods available for setting location of individuals, and values for those details, then you don't even need to fly around or kung-fu your way to victory. setTemperature(neo.getLocation(), VERY_HOT);
Neo is dead and the movie is over, with one line of code. Granted, this makes certain assumptions about how the Matrix operates, but it still seems a reasonable hypothesis.
One might argue that given the setup and the necessity of choice, while the Deus Ex Machina might have all of that data, he might be blocking the agents off from it.

That occurred to me just a moment ago; the only conceivable defense against this sort of thing is to modify or protect your data. Because you're such a leet hacker, the enemy can no longer find out where you are and attack you. The only problem with this is that it becomes rather dull to have your climax consist of "I send a nuke to your position!" "You got the wrong position, I'm still alive!"

This might, actually, explain the stupid methods used in the films; the first thing any hero does is disable these Wrath of God maneuvers, forcing the agents to actually track them down.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-08-05 05:39pm

darthbob88 wrote:The only problem with this is that it becomes rather dull to have your climax consist of "I send a nuke to your position!" "You got the wrong position, I'm still alive!"

IN other words, like the ending of most STGODS.

Gaidin · Post by **Gaidin** » 2008-08-05 05:43pm

darthbob88 wrote: This might, actually, explain the stupid methods used in the films; the first thing any hero does is disable these Wrath of God maneuvers, forcing the agents to actually track them down.

Pretty much. Given the long term plan of the Matrix I wouldn't be surprised if the machines they use to hack the matrix were handed to them by the robots. Once they're not on the main network though the agents don't have access to them in any direct fashion(if we consider the gunfights and fist fights indirect).

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2008-08-06 09:27am

Block wrote: Yes but killing the Liao is its own reward. The Capellan confederation is the most annoying group in the BT universe.

Right. Let's just forget that as a merc, you were hired by the Steiners to bring about "stability" on Carver V, did it by screwing Davion so badly that they became a fragmented force supporting the liberty movement of Carver V, then turned around and got hired by the Liao to eat Steiner.....

And the only reason why you got hired by the Davions was because Liao handed you over to Steiner as part of the bargain, and you killed the Mandarin son when he led the charge to kill you:D

God, the mercs were dicks alright.I wonder how some people could imagine that you were actually heroes in the game.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2008-08-06 09:43am

Gaidin wrote:
darthbob88 wrote: This might, actually, explain the stupid methods used in the films; the first thing any hero does is disable these Wrath of God maneuvers, forcing the agents to actually track them down.
Pretty much. Given the long term plan of the Matrix I wouldn't be surprised if the machines they use to hack the matrix were handed to them by the robots. Once they're not on the main network though the agents don't have access to them in any direct fashion(if we consider the gunfights and fist fights indirect).

They were, however, able to make structural alterations to a building that the heroes were in, turning windows into blank walls.

Why not just insert demolition charges into the building and bring it down on top of them, they needn't even know it was happening until the bulding started coming down, and you can take your time sifting through the rubble for whatever's left.

Gaidin · Post by **Gaidin** » 2008-08-06 09:58am

Vendetta wrote:
They were, however, able to make structural alterations to a building that the heroes were in, turning windows into blank walls.

Why not just insert demolition charges into the building and bring it down on top of them, they needn't even know it was happening until the bulding started coming down, and you can take your time sifting through the rubble for whatever's left.

Because that goes against the grain of the Deus Ex's plan to make the humans think they have a fighting chance, however much they can't beat an Agent in a straight fight without neo. They need to at least be able to either get away or hold the agents off until they can get away. If you make it too easy for the Agents to kill them once they know what building they're in, then it becomes hopeless and the humans have no way of maintaining their rebellion.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2008-08-06 11:03am

Vendetta wrote: Why not just insert demolition charges into the building and bring it down on top of them, they needn't even know it was happening until the bulding started coming down, and you can take your time sifting through the rubble for whatever's left.

For the same reason the Empire didn't launch a couple hundred TIEs and blow the Millenium Falcon out of the sky in ANH or ESB; they were trying to take Morpheus alive, and killing him is somewhat counterproductive.

Gaidin · Post by **Gaidin** » 2008-08-06 11:06am

Peptuck wrote: For the same reason the Empire didn't launch a couple hundred TIEs and blow the Millenium Falcon out of the sky in ANH or ESB; they were trying to take Morpheus alive, and killing him is somewhat counterproductive.

That's the general point of view from the Agents side yea. I always figured there was more to it though once Neo had his discussion with the Architect.

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-06 11:21am

Timotheus wrote:
Ender wrote:ID4, they blow up the mothership massing 1/4th that of the moon and have it come raining down on the planet.

America, fuck yeah.

If destroying the DS2 basically ends all life on Endor then what would the destruction of the ID4 mothership have done? I would imagine that life on Earth over the next few days, weeks, months, years would become pretty well impossible.

Independence Day (why is it ID4, anyway?) is an odd one, because the ships entering the atmosphere in the way we know they did would have sterilized the planet. It's one of those places where you have to just ignore the impossible parts and say "Haha, we showed those alien bastards for not putting Norton Anti-Virus on their mainframe! Go Earth!" The other option is to conclude that everybody died before or shortly after the ships got to the cities, and everything else was Will Smith's dying hallucination as he and the rest of the world got air-baked.

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2008-08-06 11:22am

EDIT: wasn't the ID4 mothership already in orbit, as far as that goes? Unlike the Death Star, which was propped up on its repulsorlifts?

Block · Post by **Block** » 2008-08-06 12:28pm

Pretty sure it was out near the moon, and they didn't really specify if it was in orbit or not.

xammer99 · Post by **xammer99** » 2008-08-06 12:43pm

Block wrote:Pretty sure it was out near the moon, and they didn't really specify if it was in orbit or not.

It was in orbit, they showed a satellite impacting on it at the start.