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Re: Where in the Multiverse Would You Build an Empire?

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Purple wrote:A Jupiter sized death star is very likely to have quite enough firepower to completely obliterate anything attempting to approach it. Most of the insides would be dedicated to shipyards though. That way I can build a supporting fleet to protect my station.
Cloaked automated ship ramming it at a significant fraction of light speed. Repeat if necessary.

Problem solved.
Purple wrote:Also, in my efforts to scare the homeworld universe I would randomly appear above planets and demand they deliver tithes in form of various luxury goods (fine cloth, rare earths etc.), virgins and terminally ill children. And I would attempt to cure and return the children. Just to make them confused.
Demanding virgins as tribute. So you regard taking human beings against their will, presumably to be sex slaves, as perfectly okay? Well, nice of you to confirm your complete lack of morality, empathy, or pragmatism.

Why do I add pragmatism to that? Because unless you're dealing with a setting with a very backward culture, that shit is going to get a lot of people very pissed off at a would-be oppressor. The kind of very pissed off that leads to revolutions, executions, and heads on pikes. And all to fulfill a goal that can be fulfilled perfectly adequately with sex robots and holograms in this scenario.

Their's evil, and then their's pointless, stupid evil.
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Re: Where in the Multiverse Would You Build an Empire?

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The Romulan Republic wrote:Cloaked automated ship ramming it at a significant fraction of light speed. Repeat if necessary.

Problem solved.
Last time I checked that is not doable in the homeworld universe. If it was, people would be using it to bust planets. Cloaking was only ever used on unmanned ships of a very small size and had very limited capabilities even there and flying at fractional light speed only happened using FTL engines. And those can be detected and dodged assuming that they even work within my gravity well. Since just my existence would create one.
Demanding virgins as tribute. So you regard taking human beings against their will, presumably to be sex slaves, as perfectly okay? Well, nice of you to confirm your complete lack of morality, empathy, or pragmatism.
Not really sex slaves. Like, even if we ignore that they lack the proper qualifications and work experience I have my droids for that role. I just figured that it would be thematic. Like, that's what an evil god does. Requests sacrifice of virgins. It's like what's expected of me. I am not sure what use I'd find for them after I get them. I'd probably just make them perform some sort of ritual and than ship them back. Maybe have them tend to the children I pick up.
Why do I add pragmatism to that? Because unless you're dealing with a setting with a very backward culture, that shit is going to get a lot of people very pissed off at a would-be oppressor. The kind of very pissed off that leads to revolutions, executions, and heads on pikes.
Yea but like, my entire point is to set my self up in the same niche as Galactos, destroyer of worlds. Too big to kill, too scary to piss off but not actually a threat on account of various factors. Ideally I'd make my self not the thought of generals but a thing mothers tell their children so that they act nice. Be nice and go to bed on time little Timmy. Or the evil Purple will come get you.
Their's evil, and then their's pointless, stupid evil.
More or less hitting the point there.
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Re: Where in the Multiverse Would You Build an Empire?

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See, if you demand tribute from people, and are so powerful and monstrous that they dare not refuse to pay it, then you are a threat and one that generals will take very, very seriously.

Edit: And its all very well to say that you'll be too powerful to fight, but history shows it doesn't work that way. Human beings pick fights with people way out of their league all the time. All reason says that the Islamic State nut jobs cannot defeat the US. It doesn't stop them from trying to. Its stupid, horrible, and pointless, but they still do it. And they don't have the fact that the evil galactic ruler is demanding their women as tribute to justify and motivate their war- just insanity/indoctrination and whatever other bullshit they believe.

Its not just a few jihadis who are prone to suicidal resistance either. During the Cold War and since then, Mutually Assured Destruction via nuclear weapons has been seriously considered as a reasonable foreign policy.
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OK moving on from Purples obsession with being a Death God...

So, the Location I will be choosing, a somewhat unknown Anime titled Escaflowne
Since it's an Anime few have watched.. I'll offer a quick rundown...

About 20,000 'our' world had living on it the society of Atlantis (in this universe they are real, just go with it) and as in many stories they were a super advance society, doomed by their own Hubris. In this story, it took the place of a "Wish Machine" basically your ever desire could become a reality. Well, anyone who has ever watched 'Forbidden Planet' knows how THAT turns out, and the civilization is destroyed... Before it's final death however, the surviving atlantans, recognizing their folly, combine their remaining powers and "Wish" for a new world to try and rebuild on. That world becomes "Gaea" and it's pretty much a mirror of our World, same orbit but slightly smaller size (but of course same gravity).

Given that it is a world "born" from a collective wish, might explain some of the weird properties of it... Firstly it has a mineral called "Energist" which pretty much is a crystal that produces 'energy' that powers all manor of things in the world and makes possible (somehow) Huge steam punk giant robots called 'Guymelfs'
It also has "Levistone" an honest to god 'lighter than air rock' that people use to make flying castles/ships/freighters/etc out of.
It also has about a dozen or so 'beast people' (it is an anime after all, they had to have SOME way of putting in Cat Girls) Among others, you have the typical Wolf people, Cat people, Dog, Lizard and Dolphin 'tribes' (although Humans seems to control all the big countries of the planet)

Tech wise, it's your basic Victorian Steam punk. It is a mix of low tech (Swords instead of guns, everyone uses horses no cars, all buildings look like pre 1800's) and high tech (they have honest to god flying castles power by 'energist engines' that look like a Turbine you would see from the 1950's. One nation, the 'bad guys' of the show, have a city with what look like 'Monorails' in the distance and use electric lightning as well as primitive computers...go figure)

SO, overall fairly primitive, but an interesting world none the less.. It has..Potential.
But what sort of "spaceship" would I pick? Given how low tech the world is? Well... How about a ship that is from the world itself.
May I introduce you too The Ispano Factory Ship
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Looks a bit funny doesn't it? Well it is crewed by "The Ispano" who are they?
Although it is not stated on the show... They are a "race" of Androids built by Atlantis over 20,000 years ago, they survived it's destruction and have been living 'between' the worlds ever since in their factory ship. They can pretty much build virtually anything the Ancient Atlantis could, including the titular Giant robot of the series 'Escaflowne'
Now, as I understand the rules of this RAR, I get to choose my crew, and said crew is loyal to me... Well, I pick the Ispano.
An army of funky looking androids that are evidently so good at building and restoring things, they have kept their own ship operational for over 20,000 years!!!

But what would I do with such a ship? What would I bring to the world of Gaea? Well in a word, 'Culture'.

The Ispano ship is said to be able to travel 'Between' the worlds, IE from Gaea to Earth. And aside from the fact the Earth had a super advanced civilization on it 20,000 years ago, it is (according to the production notes) pretty much supposed to be "Our" Earth in every regard. Now..The Anime came out in 1995, so the Earth I would be visiting is pretty much Earth from 1995. Not a bad time really, The Tech boom is starting, the internet is just getting global, Apple is starting it's rise to super business, and a host of interesting other things are happening. And of course, there is the sum total of Humanities Art,Culture and Music as well...
I will be using the Factory ship to..at first.. Gather up huge amounts of books, stories, famous novels, music, songs, etc, copy them and and store them in the Factory Ship. Then I shall establish myself as a Merchant in one of the larger cities of Gaea. Secretly at first of course. Seeing small but high quality goods produced by the Ispano. After amassing a good amount of Wealth, I'll begin 'writing' books under several pen names... Shakespeare, Aristotle, Plato, etc..

Basically I will slowly release culture and the better works of mankind into the world, to push things to a more relaxed and progressive view (The world itself is already fairly easy going aside from the "Bad Guy" nation) Since this is an Anime after all, this is a undertone of environmentalism in it (Pollution bad, Nature good) as well as people not being prudish about Sexuality (Brothels are common place and there are several comments about people having same sex relationships without anyone batting an eye).

In time I can kick start the Industrial revolution and advance things. Because of the miracle "energist" Pollution shouldn't be that big of an issue. The whole world fun run off of the stuff in terms of an Electrical source. Although eventually bigger sources of energy would be needed, but that would be a long time down the road.
On my end I can build up a vast treasure, influence the growing world, live in a state of unbridle luxury, and the BEST part... When ever I want, I can go back "Home" to Earth, and enjoy the 90's all over again, perhaps making a killing from the dot com boom and bust as well as other market cycles.

SO, sure I won't end up with a galactic Empire or such.. But really thats just too much work.
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Re: Where in the Multiverse Would You Build an Empire?

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The Romulan Republic wrote:See, if you demand tribute from people, and are so powerful and monstrous that they dare not refuse to pay it, then you are a threat and one that generals will take very, very seriously.
Except if the tribute is relatively minor and rare. Also, given the factionalism of the universe I figure they'd want to keel Galactos, destroyer of worlds in good graces.
Edit: And its all very well to say that you'll be too powerful to fight, but history shows it doesn't work that way. Human beings pick fights with people way out of their league all the time.
And they tend to lose those. Which if you ask me is just fine from my point of view.
All reason says that the Islamic State nut jobs cannot defeat the US. It doesn't stop them from trying to. Its stupid, horrible, and pointless, but they still do it. And they don't have the fact that the evil galactic ruler is demanding their women as tribute to justify and motivate their war- just insanity/indoctrination and whatever other bullshit they believe.
They have the foreign infidel taking their lands, corrupting their youths and making sure their children will grow up to go to hell and eternal torment. I'd be reasonably minor by comparison. Also, I'd have a strict rule against hurting children.
Its not just a few jihadis who are prone to suicidal resistance either. During the Cold War and since then, Mutually Assured Destruction via nuclear weapons has been seriously considered as a reasonable foreign policy.
And it'd be no fun without that. Remember, my goal here is not to conquer or enslave or build an empire. It's to be a bogyman. And for that role I have to be defeatable enough to give people hope but not enough that they can reasonably pull it off without me getting away and rebuilding.
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Purple, the world devastator counts as an instant win, kind of like useing culture tech in any situation but Orion's Arm with eassy to use FTL. This setting is about grabbing technologies and personell from roughly compatable stories. While Culture GSV, or any other Culture ship could probibly curbstomp any ship this side of a Forerunner Keyship, that is not what this situation is about. A UNSC Marathon class crueiser or Earth Alliance Warlock class destroyer could probibly blow a ha'tak out of space, but a ha'tak would have a fighting chance, if it where used properly.

In other words, the main limitation of this situation is that the technology you bring in must be comparabably advanced to the technology in the situation where you would set yourself up in.
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That's the thing. The WD is not an instant win by any stretch. It's weapons are of superior firepower to the Homewrold universe but that's about it. Remember, this is a universe where WD style ships are commonplace enough that one was constructed by a pre-spaceflight society on a desert planet and where a mining company could go from miners to fielding battleships constructed on the fly within weeks.

Aside from a different FTL system, better weaponry and having a shield the WD is not really out of place in the homeworld universe.
It has become clear to me in the previous days that any attempts at reconciliation and explanation with the community here has failed. I have tried my best. I really have. I pored my heart out trying. But it was all for nothing.

You win. There, I have said it.

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@corvus.
I'm hoping mine idea works as I'm using a ship from the universe itself?
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Eternal_Freedom wrote: The only known weapon is the destroy-universe button. We know it also had the "pull other planets out of their proper time and place" system as well. Besides, I would spend a few thousand years researching the situation before I act.
How long before the eldar act? The Inquisition certainly has psionically powered cloaking devices (as used by Ravenor and Draco) to sneak up on people.
The Time Lords have pretty potent mental powers
By 40K standards, no, they don't. Ravenor enters buildings by ripping the doors off with his mind, and routinely survielles his enemies from a city away, he's near the top end of usable power. The Master's mental abilities - also remarked on in universe - aren't remotely comparable. Ravenor has demonstrated greater mental powers than things the Master has actually bowed and worshipped (The Daemons).
and can build artificial systems to focus/utilise those powers (TARDIS Telepathic Circuits for instance). Daleks apparently also move by psychokinetic power.
Only as a backup on one occasion and never comparable to upper end 40K psykers
So, spend that time unobtrusively building up materials and forces (even one solar system should contain a vast amount of useable resources if you have access to Dalek/Time Lord tech) while researching a scientific way to deal with the Warp.
The Time Lords don't even understand their own technology too well.
Hel, use that magnetron thing
Time Lords regard use of a magnetron on an inhabited world as a high crime, worthy of impeachment (Trial of a Time Lord), so you have a problem there.
to pull some of the more important Necron Crownworlds into my system from circa M41. Offer them a truce, we'll help them regain their living bodies and take action against the remaining C'Tan Shards
Why? Post-retcon, the C'tan are the reasonable ones - they gave the necrons what they asked for - and the necrons turned on them out of nowhere without even asking 'hey guys, can you turn us back now?' The Silent King rebelled against the slavery imposed by the C'tan, despite the fact that he held the slave-codes for all necrons, and had free will, and his court biomancer Szarekh, made up the slave codes.

Also, as the necrons turned on the C'tan immediately after destroying the Old Ones, post-retcon, the C'tan have basically never ruled the galaxy, so most of their crimes are retconned.

The necrons, on the other hand, have an established track record of betraying their allies, even allies they know will eventually escape, and imprisoning them for millions of years in tesseract labyrinths. I'm sure they're trustworthy allies for you.
if they provide us with examples of their tech, intelligence on other factions, and the method they planned to use in the War in Heaven to seal off the Warp for good.
It was the C'tan that planned that.
If absolutely necessary, see if we can re-build the Time Scoop and go back and snatch the Emperor before he got turned into a vegetable.
He literally calls himself The Emperor. Why is he not going to depose you in a second?
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NecronLord wrote:
Eternal_Freedom wrote: The only known weapon is the destroy-universe button. We know it also had the "pull other planets out of their proper time and place" system as well. Besides, I would spend a few thousand years researching the situation before I act.
How long before the eldar act? The Inquisition certainly has psionically powered cloaking devices (as used by Ravenor and Draco) to sneak up on people.
The Eldar Craftworlds are large enough to target with the Magnetron, if necessary I can hurl them out of the galaxy, or into Sag A* and watch them tr and escape the event horizon.
The Time Lords have pretty potent mental powers
By 40K standards, no, they don't. Ravenor enters buildings by ripping the doors off with his mind, and routinely survielles his enemies from a city away, he's near the top end of usable power. The Master's mental abilities - also remarked on in universe - aren't remotely comparable. Ravenor has demonstrated greater mental powers than things the Master has actually bowed and worshipped (The Daemons).[/quote]

Ok fair point, but why woudl they bother sending Ravenor after me? I'm just sitting out of the way for a few thousand years, never even leaving my initial solar system. I'm sure he's got far more pressing matters to deal with (insurrections, Ork Waaaghs!, Chaos incursions etc, you know, things that are actual immediate threats).
and can build artificial systems to focus/utilise those powers (TARDIS Telepathic Circuits for instance). Daleks apparently also move by psychokinetic power.
Only as a backup on one occasion and never comparable to upper end 40K psykers
True, however TL psychic crap doesn't bring the possibility of making your own head explode while using it. And if we know they can artificially focus their powers, then that's a tarting point to scale things up. As I think I've made clear by now, I'm not rushing straight into combat, I'm sitting pretty for a while to build up my strength.

Hell, if I really want to stay out of the way, I'll get my loyal Time Lords to shift everything into a pocket dimension, or out of sync with time (how the Crucible originally was) so that only a TARDIS can reach me.
So, spend that time unobtrusively building up materials and forces (even one solar system should contain a vast amount of useable resources if you have access to Dalek/Time Lord tech) while researching a scientific way to deal with the Warp.
The Time Lords don't even understand their own technology too well.
Good thing I'm taking a few thousand years (maybe even longer if I can use some time-dilation stuff) to get to grips with it and the Dalek tech that's available.
Hel, use that magnetron thing
Time Lords regard use of a magnetron on an inhabited world as a high crime, worthy of impeachment (Trial of a Time Lord), so you have a problem there.[/quote] This would be true if the Time Lords are calling the shots, but I am, not them. If they are indeed my loyal crew, then they'll do what I tell them. Besides, I'm sure I could persuade them that using the Magnetron to divert Ork waaaghs or Tyranid hive fleets is a beneficial thing.
to pull some of the more important Necron Crownworlds into my system from circa M41. Offer them a truce, we'll help them regain their living bodies and take action against the remaining C'Tan Shards
Why? Post-retcon, the C'tan are the reasonable ones - they gave the necrons what they asked for - and the necrons turned on them out of nowhere without even asking 'hey guys, can you turn us back now?' The Silent King rebelled against the slavery imposed by the C'tan, despite the fact that he held the slave-codes for all necrons, and had free will, and his court biomancer Szarekh, made up the slave codes.

Also, as the necrons turned on the C'tan immediately after destroying the Old Ones, post-retcon, the C'tan have basically never ruled the galaxy, so most of their crimes are retconned.

The necrons, on the other hand, have an established track record of betraying their allies, even allies they know will eventually escape, and imprisoning them for millions of years in tesseract labyrinths. I'm sure they're trustworthy allies for you.
if they provide us with examples of their tech, intelligence on other factions, and the method they planned to use in the War in Heaven to seal off the Warp for good.
It was the C'tan that planned that.[/quote]

Ok, then use the same plan but with C'Tan not Necrons. Steal Pavonis (the Nightbringer shard), that Vaul Moon (for The Outsider) and Mars (for the Void Dragon).
If absolutely necessary, see if we can re-build the Time Scoop and go back and snatch the Emperor before he got turned into a vegetable.
He literally calls himself The Emperor. Why is he not going to depose you in a second?[/quote]

Because I can offer him a second chance to save his Imperium. I can let him return at full strength to save his people while I get the C'Tan to seal off the Warp and use the Magnetron to divert or delay the Tyranids.
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If the God-Emperor of Man considers you an alien, he might temporarily ally with you against a greater threat, but you would never be safe from him except by passing permanently beyond his reach.

The entire drive which motivated the Emperor for several thousand years of extremely hard work was "humanity uber alles." Humanity uber the innumerable legions of orks, uber the technological prowess and ancient subtlety of the Eldar, uber every other species in the galaxy, humanoid or otherwise.
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Yet in this scenario I am human, with a few added bits like possibly taking some of that Time Lord immortality serum so he has no "you're a xenos" reason to kill me. Hmm..perhaps it might be better to time-scoop him off the Golden Throne, communicate telepathically to arrive at a deal, then heal him.
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Might want to scoop him off the golden throne as it begins to fail. At that point, the 40k-verse is already on the verge of collapse and he will be more pressed to make a deal if he believes you can heal him and let him fix things.
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That was my thinking. Pretty much everything/everyone I grab will be from just before they would die. Hmm, on that note I wonder if I could save Ferrus Manus, Sanguinius and maybe Guilliman as well, that would certainly give the Imperium circa M41 a boost.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:The Eldar Craftworlds are large enough to target with the Magnetron, if necessary I can hurl them out of the galaxy, or into Sag A* and watch them tr and escape the event horizon.
What makes you think it can find those? The daleks were attacking populated planets whose locations were well known public domain as were the Time Lords in Trial. The Eldar keep their craftworlds' physical locations a secret.
Ok fair point, but why woudl they bother sending Ravenor after me?
Ravenor is an Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos, sworn to defend mankind from hostile alien races, like the Gallifreyans you're hanging around with. It's his actual job.
I'm just sitting out of the way for a few thousand years, never even leaving my initial solar system. I'm sure he's got far more pressing matters to deal with (insurrections, Ork Waaaghs!, Chaos incursions etc, you know, things that are actual immediate threats).
On the flip side, the Inquisition does use divination, and it takes only one 40K group to get in the crucible and the Time Lords are surrendering left right and center.
True, however TL psychic crap doesn't bring the possibility of making your own head explode while using it.
Nor does that happen to eldar seers, their runes act as fuses, and they are basically never injured using their powers.

And Time Lord abilities are near worthless for combat and the time lords outright say on-screen they consider precognition impossible in one episode (Deadly Assassin), they have no experience of people with divinatory capacity.
And if we know they can artificially focus their powers, then that's a tarting point to scale things up. As I think I've made clear by now, I'm not rushing straight into combat, I'm sitting pretty for a while to build up my strength.
Might your pacifist crew of Time Lords not have some problems with this? The Time Lords are... not good at fighting.
Hell, if I really want to stay out of the way, I'll get my loyal Time Lords to shift everything into a pocket dimension, or out of sync with time (how the Crucible originally was) so that only a TARDIS can reach me.
Amazing that they never did this to Gallifrey. The Crucible used a natural phenomenon to do it.
Good thing I'm taking a few thousand years (maybe even longer if I can use some time-dilation stuff) to get to grips with it and the Dalek tech that's available.
It was hidden by a natural phenomenon.
This would be true if the Time Lords are calling the shots, but I am, not them. If they are indeed my loyal crew, then they'll do what I tell them.
Loyal crew doesn't mean mind-slaves.
Besides, I'm sure I could persuade them that using the Magnetron to divert Ork waaaghs or Tyranid hive fleets is a beneficial thing.
Their society is built around non-intervention. They never stopped the cybermen, or the Daleks (until it's too late) or the Zygons or the 456..., who are equally inimical.
Ok, then use the same plan but with C'Tan not Necrons. Steal Pavonis (the Nightbringer shard), that Vaul Moon (for The Outsider) and Mars (for the Void Dragon).
C'tan shards are not sentient in a reasonable sense, as far as we know (Black Crusade strongly suggests otherwise) you'd need to rebuild the C'tan. And then you have a god in negotations with you. Which again means... why would it be your empire and not theirs?

Also, congratulations. You've stolen Mars. How many millions of Skitarii did you just bring to your front door?
Because I can offer him a second chance to save his Imperium. I can let him return at full strength to save his people while I get the C'Tan to seal off the Warp and use the Magnetron to divert or delay the Tyranids.
Why does he need you to do that? The Emperor refuses to tolerate anyone who fails to bend the knee before him, and considers that a crime worthy of death. This is shown many times in the Horus Heresy series. He'll just take your knowledge and kill you.
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Borgholio wrote:Might want to scoop him off the golden throne as it begins to fail. At that point, the 40k-verse is already on the verge of collapse and he will be more pressed to make a deal if he believes you can heal him and let him fix things.
Err... his psychic powers on the Golden Throne are still enough to reduce a man to a vegetable in a moment and consume his knowledge, and to manipulate time himself. If you take the Inquisition War books as lore.

If not, then he's comatose, and can't bargain with you.

And obviously, once he's regenerated, he can just start hip-thrusting in your general direction and it's not your empire any more.
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Simon_Jester wrote:If the God-Emperor of Man considers you an alien, he might temporarily ally with you against a greater threat, but you would never be safe from him except by passing permanently beyond his reach.
You are never safe even if you are a human. He is a totalitarian who sanctions war on any independent human culture that doesn't kneel. Your empire is a failure if it is made into part of someone else's.
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Ah right fuck it. I'm still not convinced that the Ordo Xenos would bother coming after me when there are more pressing threats. But to hell with it, I'll have to come up with a different plan.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Gallifrey's Transduction Barriers made the planet effectively in a pocket dimension, so they can do that. As for the out of sync with time thing, as I recall the Doctor said "it had been moved out of sync" and the rift in the Medusa Cascade was there to propagate the blast wave or whatever through into other universes, it had nothing to do with the way the Crucible was hidden.
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Eternal_Freedom wrote:Ah right fuck it. I'm still not convinced that the Ordo Xenos would bother coming after me when there are more pressing threats. But to hell with it, I'll have to come up with a different plan.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Gallifrey's Transduction Barriers made the planet effectively in a pocket dimension, so they can do that.
Modern Time Lords don't have the capability to build transduction barriers. They were created by Rassilon. Only K9 knew how to do it in Deadly Assassin, and only because he'd had access to the Matrix.

Which is on Gallifrey.
As for the out of sync with time thing, as I recall the Doctor said "it had been moved out of sync" and the rift in the Medusa Cascade was there to propagate the blast wave or whatever through into other universes, it had nothing to do with the way the Crucible was hidden.
You're right.
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That said, necrons have the technology to put things a out of phase in time too, it's mentioned with various things that Astromancers do, and other things of that nature.
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The necrons certainly understand the principles, and I think there were more impressive examples too, which I will present this evening, time permitting.

See, the thing with sitting on top of The Reality Bomb is that you're literally a threat to everyone in the 40K galaxy; the Medusa cascade was as you say to hit other universes, but it can still destroy the universe it's in. The Necrons, Chaos, the Eldar, the Imperium. Minor factions like the Nekulli, the Barghesi and the Rak'gol. No one would want you or anyone else to have that. Even the Tyranid Hive Mind wouldn't want that, and can potentially be communicated with (as of Wraithflight) and understand that individuals exist and can pose a threat to it. The 40K setting, for all its flaws, is full of vital people who want to live, and certainly wouldn't like the idea of a sword of Damocles hanging over their heads.

The only people who would be okay with you having a reality bomb would be the necron destroyer cult. And even they would want to kill you and the Time Lords and fire the thing.

You might manage to unite the 40K galaxy in opposition to you, which would be a wonderful thing for everyone, but won't help you build an empire. If you last thousands of years, every major faction might let some of its lesser emnities slide in order to kill you.

You know how the 40K allies chart has a 'Comes the Apocalypse' category for the least likely allies?

You're sitting on an Apocalypse engine.

And the moment you do try empire building, you've got to worry about psychic infiltration, shapeshifters like the Callidus, Lacrymole, Vampires, and more, attempting to destroy your home base.

Hiding behind a temporal manipulation to stop everyone killing you is not empire building. And the Time Lords once surrendered gallifrey to six guys who were about as impressive as Imperial Guardsmen. They're terrible soldiers.
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Fair points.

Ok, new plan. If the "crew" I can select is indeed loyal to me, I'll take a crew of Necron Crypteks and the hulk of their World Engine and plant it in, I dunno, the SW galaxy before Palpatine is born, to avoid the nasty "Sidious would use his precog to see you coming" plan.

Or maybe the Andromeda universe pre-Long Night, trade some of this fancy tech to the Commonwealth in return for residency rights.
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My Universe: Star Wars

My Base: Coruscant...removed to someplace outside the Galactic Empire.

According to Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant), Coruscant is slightly smaller than Earth (didn't it used to be the other way around?) and has 5,127 "levels of city", so according to my calculations, if each level has the population density of Manhattan, I can house up to roughly 19 quadrillion people.

Who do I fill this planet with? Let's start with the entirety of the Marvel and DC Earths, or at least those individuals I can trust to, if not serve me, at least contribute to society without making too much of a fuss. Quite a bit of Starfleet, as well, from any period that can be said to be more technologically primitive on the whole than the Empire. Stargate Earth as well, and maybe some other small populations so that I can scoop up their gates without "cheating", assuming it'd even be cheating to just stockpile a bunch of stargates. Ooh, Harry Potter's world as well. The Alchemists from FMA, the wizards from the Dresden Files, the mages from Alex Verus...so on and so forth.

I'll conveniently forget to bring along those elements who'd be too disruptive of society (e.g. religious extremists, ultranationalists, and other hate groups; dark mages) or whose agendas would be too dissimilar to my own in large numbers (e.g. social conservatives; radical anti-war types) so that if I somehow lost power, the dream would live on.

Basically, get a whole bunch of people with special powers or who have access to technology that, while generally not superior to the GFFA's, can do a lot of neat shit it can't. Organize them (presumably this much can be presented as a fait accompli, as they're supposed to be my "crew", but if not...well, I did get rid of the most problematic elements of any and all societies involved beforehand), get them to share and develop on their existing technologies (there's a lot of super-geniuses in the DC and Marvel universes who'll be quite useful in doing this), and develop the solar system we're in.

Then, we move out.
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Good plan SMJB, though 1, this is sci fi, and your talking about fantasy but secondly, you don't have the population needed to keep a hive world working.
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And this brings up another good point. while you may pick up a "crew" that is basicly loyal to you, (and that means, Purple, that while you would never get Captin Picard to go along with your plans, you could still recruit evil bastards) what do you do about a general populatin? Grab the Rag Tag Fleet? You get Greco-Roman religious lunatics. Grab people from BattleTech or W40K? Illeratit, fanatical peasants.
So, how would you solve this issue? Personally, I'd grab the inhabitants of a few WW2 camps, a large number of people off the 12 Colonies, a few people from UNSC plants just pre glassing, ditto Babylon 5, and some assorted colony ships.
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You win. There, I have said it.

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@Corvus 501
Any chance of ruling on my Plan? I am curious what you think of using a High tech ship, but one from the actual show itself ;)
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