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Not necessarily. He may only be referring to the fact that the previous Ones have always failed to bring down the Matrix.Durran Korr wrote:Something I noticed when I saw it again today; the Merovingian says "I have survived your predecessors." So the Merovingian has been a part of the prophecy each time, apparently.
So does that mean are rogue programs really "rogue?" Or like humans, do they think they have free choice but it's all still in the master plan? Or are they scripted to play rogue? It just seems despite all the "incidents" such as Smith being freed, they all led to Neo going to talk to the Architect.Durran Korr wrote:Something I noticed when I saw it again today; the Merovingian says "I have survived your predecessors." So the Merovingian has been a part of the prophecy each time, apparently.
The mecha was funny looking. Actually it reminded of the scene in the Two Towers when the Easterlings marched past the black gates. You have humans or orcs, and then you have the mechs or big trolls.Sea Skimmer wrote:What is it with movies and the invincibility of car doors? They will stop some handgun and SMG rounds, not 5.56 from a carbine! Beyond that and a piece of mecha scum I liked it a whole lot.
I saw that and instantly thought of the HAB.piece of mecha scum I liked it a whole lot.
I agree, I've been suggesting to everyone I see to wait for the IMAX, which will have to be cut down to 120 minutes. Since Revolutions is coming out on the IMAX the same day and the Theater, I'm gonna see it there.Darth Balls wrote:I saw it today and was really let down by it. There was an awful lot of scenes that should have just been deleted, they really ruined the movie's pacing.
ok, just saw it. Ive heard a lot of negative press about it, but it was better then expected. first off. . . wow.Ender wrote:I just saw the Matrix Reloaded
"I love cursing in french. It's like wiping your ass with silk"
The 1000 Smith battle, the freeway chase, Morpheus vs the Vampires...
HOLY CRAP THAT FUCKING RULED!
It's everything you could want in it. My only complaint is the first 20 mins or so are a bit harder to understand if you hadn't seen the Animatrix (who was that fanboy?), but really, this is the best fucking movie I have seen in a long time. Little bit more sex then the first one, but this is an adult orientated movie. Seriously, it has the symbolism of star wars, the most fitting soundtrack since LOTR, the mindjob plot worthy of the greatest authors ever, 1^1000 times the action of the first one.
My god. I'm still realing from some of the twists and the questins it asked. This ruled. I must see it again.
I thot the entire system of zion dont know a thing, and smith did the damage in his new body. I mean, why would the council help destroy zion? they wouldnt be in the new one, almost certainly.Ghost Rider wrote:Now that is a damn frightening thought especially considering what the whole context of what he's supposed to be.Crown wrote:Also, how much does the council know? Why did the councilor take great pains in pointing out that without the machines Zion wouldn't survive? If the architect is telling the truth, then do the council members already know Zion's eventual fate? Is that why they were so willing to indulge Morpheus in his personal war? Because they too believed/knew that Neo was meant to make that choice in the end, to choose the next generation for Zion?
Interesting eh?
Damn depressing really.
of course he's a wuss in the real world. but zion isnt real, its a second level of matrix - its why smith can get out and posess, and why neo can stop sentinals. remember, zion keeps restarting - its just another comp program.Darth Garden Gnome wrote:20 minute dancing scene: MOST BORING MOMENT OF ALL TIME.
Other than that, OMG THAT ROCKED!!!! Neo kicked Smith's butt! Morpheus was able to smack down some baddies for once (and here I thought the Twins were gonna be the "upgraded" super-powerful beings Neo was gonna have trouble fighting, but, meh - they're body guards), and Trinity almost freakin' died - PLUS THE MOTORCYCLE!!!!! OMG THE CAR CHASE ROCKED!!!! Morpheus fought an agent on top of a semi-truck for goodness sakes! The sword fight with the French dudes cronies....WOW...
Revelations: Neo "isn't" the one who'll save the world, so says the "Architech" (the man who was "born inside the Matrix, could change it to his will" from the orignal, I think). But if you ask me, this is very suspect. Remember how the Oracle lied to Neo so he could become the One? Could be the same thing here, sneaky computers. And considering that all of Neo's predeccesors took the other door that led to the rebuilding of the Matrix, and Neo took the other one, he has an even better chance IMHO.
Smith is on the inside. Whoa.
But WTF is the deal with Neo being able to use the "Force" (as my friends and I jokingly reffered to it as) to defeat those Sentinals? Neo supposed to be a WUSS in the real-world.
Can't wait for Revolutions. The big war between the humans (with mecha!) and the robots heads to Zion. Smith makes his move. ROCK ON MATRIX!
my thot is that the architect tried to shut him down. no anomaly should be in the second layer.Durran Korr wrote:Then why does Neo collapse after doing so?Very intriguing. Although, it is possible that Neo did not infact have anything to do with stopping the machines. Remember the other ship wasn't too far behind, they could have just EMP'ed the area, making it (coincidently) look like Neo affected the sentinels, when in fact he didn't.
I love that spoon idea. shows him the second matrix is a second matrix.Mad wrote:Ack, no edit button. Anyway, there's also the matter of the spoon in Reloaded. Either that means there is a spoon as he's in the real world (plus a gift from an old friend), or that if the "Matrix in a Matrix" idea comes to pass, then that spoon is a reminder of such. ("A spoon? But there is no spoon. So this must not be a spoon. Therefore...") That scene could go either way.
Zion is not the second level of the Matrix. It exists within the real world; if it were just a part of the Matrix, the machines wouldn't need to waste time sending a huge sentinel force to destroy it. They would just unplug the Zionists, delete the city from the Matrix, and restart from there. It is the real world, it is just more controlled by the machines than the humans had realized.of course he's a wuss in the real world. but zion isnt real, its a second level of matrix - its why smith can get out and posess, and why neo can stop sentinals. remember, zion keeps restarting - its just another comp program.
If I know Im going to die, I want sex before going.Aeolus wrote:Joe Momma wrote:I don't object to the "eat, drink, and be merry" idea (which isn't quite what you're getting at, but along the same lines), but it seemed like a lot of people were pissing away vital moments when they should have been preparing for the wolves at the door, as it were.Ender wrote:I think the rave was good actually. It served a purpose. It showed that they were still humans. If they were a totally militaristic society, bent only on war with the machines, then they would be almost exactly like machines themselves. That scene hammered home the point that they are still human, they still dance, celebrate, and love, they are still alive and not dead inside.
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But why? They can't actually win. Even before the fleet was defeated it was basically hopeless. They party was to reaffirm thier humanity and get pumped up...a giant pep rally basically
utterly amusing.SolidSnake wrote:When Neo kissed that chick to get to the keymaker, i was half expecting the chick to turn into an agent in mid-kiss.
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Ohhh... That was the best kiss i've ever had...
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Mr. Anderson...
brilliant analysiszombie84 wrote:The systemic anomoly was not the One, but the human rebellion. 99% of the people plugged in accepted the Matrix, but the 1% that didnt were the ones who woke up and began the human resistance. This anomoly was not one that could be solved through any sort of computer equation because of the human factor--random emotion cannot be computed by the machines.
So, to deal with this, the machines created the One--his purpose is to reboot the system. When your harddrive has an error on it that cant be removed, the only thing to do is to reboot the entire system and re-install the operating system.
The machines set-up zion and give them the 'prophecy' to keep them busy. Rebellion is inevitable--this is something the machines dont have any way to stop. So what do they do? Control the rebellion. The human resistance is being shaped exactly the way the machines want it to be, keeping them busy with Zion and prophecies and messiahs until the One can be created and the system reloaded to start fresh once again. The humans think they are free but they're not--it's all just another level of control. The prophecy was a lie. (Brilliant twist IMO!)
When the humans are destroyed, the One must choose 23 humans to repopulate Zion with, giving them the prophecy, before returning to the Source, so that he may be reborn again later on. This has happened five times already.
I would disagree. it would make much more sense for the anomaly to have an effect in a second matrix, then for someone to gain powers of god in a real world for a bit of elecricity from a computer game. this isn't freakazoid.just to clear it all up. I'm pretty sure that is how the story goes, feel free to correct me.
The thing that makes Neo unique is that he has been able to control outside of the Matrix. I dont buy this Matrix-with-a-Matrix stuff. The Real World is the Real World.
The reason Neo is able to "feel" the Sentinels at the end and control them is because of Smith. Smith tells Neo that when Neo killed him, part of Neo was copied onto Smith, and that the two are now somehow linked. Smith gained some of Neo's human abilities--he began to rebel against his programming (and this may also explain his new ability to copy himself, both into machines as well as a human mind, as he does with that goatee guy). Likewise, Neo gained some of Smith's abilities--he is now linked to the machines. That is why he is able to stop them at the end of the film.
The machines did not count on this. Now Neo can control the machines in the Matrix as well as in the Real World, and he has truely become "god". This is how Neo will finally be able to overcome the Reload cycle and finally bring down the machines.
my two cents...
is he a computer program? what purpose does he have?Durran Korr wrote:Something I noticed when I saw it again today; the Merovingian says "I have survived your predecessors." So the Merovingian has been a part of the prophecy each time, apparently.
they would if the machines were in a second matrix and didnt know - thats why smith was so confused.Durran Korr wrote:Zion is not the second level of the Matrix. It exists within the real world; if it were just a part of the Matrix, the machines wouldn't need to waste time sending a huge sentinel force to destroy it. They would just unplug the Zionists, delete the city from the Matrix, and restart from there. It is the real world, it is just more controlled by the machines than the humans had realized.of course he's a wuss in the real world. but zion isnt real, its a second level of matrix - its why smith can get out and posess, and why neo can stop sentinals. remember, zion keeps restarting - its just another comp program.
In a way, it is a very effective, brilliant tool; it cleans the anomalies out of the Matrix without the machines really having to do anything except for rebooting it every hundred or so years.
Just an old computer program. He may have had a purpose at some point but at this point he doesn't appear to. He just enjoys living in the Matrix.Enforcer Talen wrote:is he a computer program? what purpose does he have?Durran Korr wrote:Something I noticed when I saw it again today; the Merovingian says "I have survived your predecessors." So the Merovingian has been a part of the prophecy each time, apparently.
or is he another 'one'?
