Clone troopers replace marines in Aliens

[neoolong]

The dead alien crewmember was fossilized. I assume that that takes a long time. I doubt that xenomorphy hibernation is that good.

[Guest]

The dead alien crewmember was fossilized. I assume that that takes a long time. I doubt that xenomorphy hibernation is that good.

Can't the xenomorphs survive in space? The xenomorph in Alien did at least until Ripley blew the crap out of it. They can survive in very harsh environments to say the least. I think they could hibernate for a long time. I don't have any proof of that though, just speculation. Those eggs could survive a long time though, why couldn't the adult aliens survive?

[Kuja]

The eggs were protected by some kind of energy field.

[neoolong]

The dead alien crewmember was fossilized. I assume that that takes a long time. I doubt that xenomorphy hibernation is that good.

Can't the xenomorphs survive in space? The xenomorph in Alien did at least until Ripley blew the crap out of it. They can survive in very harsh environments to say the least. I think they could hibernate for a long time. I don't have any proof of that though, just speculation. Those eggs could survive a long time though, why couldn't the adult aliens survive?

This is my speculation. The eggs were in the hold. I think they were being transported, not just laid by a queen on the ship. The hold has a barrier, similar functioning to the cryochambers, you don't want them hatching right? The mist thing and the lights seemed to be a sort of barrier. One or more got loose and bursted the crewmember seen. The xeno would have died or left. It's a tough creature but even it needs food right? Either the crewmembers escaped or they were killed by the alien and eaten. There could have been enough xenos made form the crew but that's it. Without hosts there would be no more adult aliens. A long time passes, so that the crewmember can fossilize, the xenos are dead or elsewhere on the planet, and since most of the ship wasn't damaged, the hold is intact, including the barrier system.

[Guest]

The dead alien crewmember was fossilized. I assume that that takes a long time. I doubt that xenomorphy hibernation is that good.

Can't the xenomorphs survive in space? The xenomorph in Alien did at least until Ripley blew the crap out of it. They can survive in very harsh environments to say the least. I think they could hibernate for a long time. I don't have any proof of that though, just speculation. Those eggs could survive a long time though, why couldn't the adult aliens survive?

This is my speculation. The eggs were in the hold. I think they were being transported, not just laid by a queen on the ship. The hold has a barrier, similar functioning to the cryochambers, you don't want them hatching right? The mist thing and the lights seemed to be a sort of barrier. One or more got loose and bursted the crewmember seen. The xeno would have died or left. It's a tough creature but even it needs food right? Either the crewmembers escaped or they were killed by the alien and eaten. There could have been enough xenos made form the crew but that's it. Without hosts there would be no more adult aliens. A long time passes, so that the crewmember can fossilize, the xenos are dead or elsewhere on the planet, and since most of the ship wasn't damaged, the hold is intact, including the barrier system.

The eggs could have been the cargo of the alien species who made the ship. The mist didn't keep the eggs from opening though. The Nostromo (or whatever the ship in Alien was called) crewmember would not have been attacked or the colonists for that matter.

Based on the roleplaying game book (I don't know if that counts in Alien canon) the xenomorphs only need to eat if they want to secrete the resin material they make. The book also states that they can produce one egg a day (I don't think that was ever seen in the movies and can probably be ignored).

If they don't need to eat to survive, they can just hibernate like they were doing when the Colonial Marines found them. The answer to that question would determine whether or not there were still xenomorphs from the alien ship around during Aliens.

[neoolong]

Can't the xenomorphs survive in space? The xenomorph in Alien did at least until Ripley blew the crap out of it. They can survive in very harsh environments to say the least. I think they could hibernate for a long time. I don't have any proof of that though, just speculation. Those eggs could survive a long time though, why couldn't the adult aliens survive?

This is my speculation. The eggs were in the hold. I think they were being transported, not just laid by a queen on the ship. The hold has a barrier, similar functioning to the cryochambers, you don't want them hatching right? The mist thing and the lights seemed to be a sort of barrier. One or more got loose and bursted the crewmember seen. The xeno would have died or left. It's a tough creature but even it needs food right? Either the crewmembers escaped or they were killed by the alien and eaten. There could have been enough xenos made form the crew but that's it. Without hosts there would be no more adult aliens. A long time passes, so that the crewmember can fossilize, the xenos are dead or elsewhere on the planet, and since most of the ship wasn't damaged, the hold is intact, including the barrier system.

The eggs could have been the cargo of the alien species who made the ship. The mist didn't keep the eggs from opening though. The Nostromo (or whatever the ship in Alien was called) crewmember would not have been attacked or the colonists for that matter.

Based on the roleplaying game book (I don't know if that counts in Alien canon) the xenomorphs only need to eat if they want to secrete the resin material they make. The book also states that they can produce one egg a day (I don't think that was ever seen in the movies and can probably be ignored).

If they don't need to eat to survive, they can just hibernate like they were doing when the Colonial Marines found them. The answer to that question would determine whether or not there were still xenomorphs from the alien ship around during Aliens.

Okay. Kane broke the barrier when he fell in. It probably went done when he went through. So the eggs were "alive" again. In the movies, only the queen can lay eggs. I also think it's a lot more than 1 a day. I mean she has that huge sac and I think we see more than 1 come out. I think that number is used to make the game more fair. That's my guess.

Living things need food. I don't think it's very likely to get a bipedal organism that complex that only needs food to make walls. The cellular activity and organs would need energy in order to keep it alive. That would mean food. Of course this is just speculation.

[NecronLord]

The dead alien in Movie 1 was fossilised? I thought that was just his nonedible remains?

Right egg laying capacity.

In the books when a drone is seperated from the local queen it undergoes a 'hormone storm' which metamorpasises it into a queen. This does fit with cannon. It explains the differences in form and seeming intelligence of the xenomorph in Alien and the later warriors. If it is on the way to becoming a queen, then it would probably be more intelligent than the later drones. It runs a terror campain, and has a grasp of tactics (when it ambushes the capt.) wheras later warriors rely on numbers and running towards the enemy. Also the fact that it coocoons the crew it takes alive would indicate it is going to do something to them. While this could be instinctive behaviour, an animal does not have instincts that sophisticated if it does not help them to survive/procreate.

Interestingly enough, a type of termite in africa has this system, the queen secretes a hormone in her urine, which prevents the workers becoming fertile queens in their own right. Hence when the queen dies, a new one is created. (one would assume that they secrete the hormone and gain immunity to it before becoming fertile, otherwise you'd have a lot of queens)

[NecronLord]

Living things need food. I don't think it's very likely to get a bipedal organism that complex that only needs food to make walls. The cellular activity and organs would need energy in order to keep it alive. That would mean food. Of course this is just speculation.

even going with my acid battery theory.
It still needs to eat. However that does explain how they survive in vacuum. (In "earth hive" they find a warrior in a depressurised ship)

[neoolong]

The dead alien in Movie 1 was fossilised? I thought that was just his nonedible remains?

When they find the body, one of the guys says its been fossilized.

Right egg laying capacity.

In the books when a drone is seperated from the local queen it undergoes a 'hormone storm' which metamorpasises it into a queen. This does fit with cannon. It explains the differences in form and seeming intelligence of the xenomorph in Alien and the later warriors. If it is on the way to becoming a queen, then it would probably be more intelligent than the later drones. It runs a terror campain, and has a grasp of tactics (when it ambushes the capt.) wheras later warriors rely on numbers and running towards the enemy. Also the fact that it coocoons the crew it takes alive would indicate it is going to do something to them. While this could be instinctive behaviour, an animal does not have instincts that sophisticated if it does not help them to survive/procreate.

Interestingly enough, a type of termite in africa has this system, the queen secretes a hormone in her urine, which prevents the workers becoming fertile queens in their own right. Hence when the queen dies, a new one is created. (one would assume that they secrete the hormone and gain immunity to it before becoming fertile, otherwise you'd have a lot of queens)

Makes sense. But, only the queen can still lay eggs. Even if the queen used to be a warrior.

[NecronLord]

Right egg laying capacity.

In the books when a drone is seperated from the local queen it undergoes a 'hormone storm' which metamorpasises it into a queen. This does fit with cannon. It explains the differences in form and seeming intelligence of the xenomorph in Alien and the later warriors. If it is on the way to becoming a queen, then it would probably be more intelligent than the later drones. It runs a terror campain, and has a grasp of tactics (when it ambushes the capt.) wheras later warriors rely on numbers and running towards the enemy. Also the fact that it coocoons the crew it takes alive would indicate it is going to do something to them. While this could be instinctive behaviour, an animal does not have instincts that sophisticated if it does not help them to survive/procreate.

Interestingly enough, a type of termite in africa has this system, the queen secretes a hormone in her urine, which prevents the workers becoming fertile queens in their own right. Hence when the queen dies, a new one is created. (one would assume that they secrete the hormone and gain immunity to it before becoming fertile, otherwise you'd have a lot of queens)

Makes sense. But, only the queen can still lay eggs. Even if the queen used to be a warrior.

Yes, they would logically cooccon anyone who gets too close, for later implanting, before they change, Going by the theory that the first one was becoming a queen, judging by it's more intelligent actions. It is even curiouis about the airlock light, the ones in aliens don't show that much enviromental awareness.

[Guest]

Perhaps the xenomorph in Alien was a more advanced alien? Maybe it was a queen guard or something of that nature. The xenomorphs in Aliens were mostly drones ie. cannon fodder types?

For example, aren't there different types of ants in reality? Workers, warriors, and queens? I haven't studied ants too much though...

[NecronLord]

Perhaps the xenomorph in Alien was a more advanced alien? Maybe it was a queen guard or something of that nature. The xenomorphs in Aliens were mostly drones ie. cannon fodder types?

For example, aren't there different types of ants in reality? Workers, warriors, and queens? I haven't studied ants too much though...

I prefer the theory that it was partly queen already. This would be more logical, provision for isolated warriors becoming queens would after all further the species.

[Hotfoot]

Also, just a little add-on concerning the lone Xenomorph in Alien (and Xenomorphs in general, I believe). They are capable of fully regenerating lost limbs, at least according to the novelization. Thus, in order to ensure a kill, you've got to actually kill it, or it can crawl into a dark corner to regenerate whatever it is you might have shot off.

I do think that they need to eat to regenerate, though. It's been a while since I read the novelization, so the details are sketchy.

[Guest]

Perhaps the xenomorph in Alien was a more advanced alien? Maybe it was a queen guard or something of that nature. The xenomorphs in Aliens were mostly drones ie. cannon fodder types?

For example, aren't there different types of ants in reality? Workers, warriors, and queens? I haven't studied ants too much though...

I prefer the theory that it was partly queen already. This would be more logical, provision for isolated warriors becoming queens would after all further the species.

If that were the case, why did it kill the other crewmembers instead of capturing them for hosts?

[Hotfoot]

Perhaps the xenomorph in Alien was a more advanced alien? Maybe it was a queen guard or something of that nature. The xenomorphs in Aliens were mostly drones ie. cannon fodder types?

For example, aren't there different types of ants in reality? Workers, warriors, and queens? I haven't studied ants too much though...

I prefer the theory that it was partly queen already. This would be more logical, provision for isolated warriors becoming queens would after all further the species.

If that were the case, why did it kill the other crewmembers instead of capturing them for hosts?

It did capture them. Note the suspicious lack of blood in almost all cases.

[neoolong]

Yes, they would logically cooccon anyone who gets too close, for later implanting, before they change, Going by the theory that the first one was becoming a queen, judging by it's more intelligent actions. It is even curiouis about the airlock light, the ones in aliens don't show that much enviromental awareness.

Really, it reacted to light? That's weird, xenomorphs don't even have eyes.

[Guest]

I prefer the theory that it was partly queen already. This would be more logical, provision for isolated warriors becoming queens would after all further the species.

If that were the case, why did it kill the other crewmembers instead of capturing them for hosts?

It did capture them. Note the suspicious lack of blood in almost all cases.

Hm... I have to rewatch the movie. That is a good point, although I'm pretty sure it killed the black crewmember near the end of the movie though.

[Patrick Degan]

The scenario is totally transformed.

Instead of the unmanned Sulacco in low-orbit, you have an Acclimator-class transport hovering on repulsorlift over the surface. Instead of the drop-ships, you have repulsorlift LAATs which can drop their troops and hover over the surface. You've got lots of reinforcements on call. The troopers have blasters, which should be more effective against the aliens' exoskeletal structure, and their imaging equipment would be far superior. The landing force would not be trapped on the surface but could be swiftly evacuated by a LAAT, which would not have landed long enough to allow one of the creatures an opportunity to board and kill the pilot.

Finally, you have far more competent command officers in charge. Burke would be just along for the ride (assuming he was even allowed on the misison), and Ripley would be listened to. Furthermore, Burke would never have a chance to effect his scheme to smuggle a xenomorph back home.

In short, the massacre of the military force on LV426 would not occur with Clonetroopers in place of the Colonial Marines.

[NecronLord]

Yes, they would logically cooccon anyone who gets too close, for later implanting, before they change, Going by the theory that the first one was becoming a queen, judging by it's more intelligent actions. It is even curiouis about the airlock light, the ones in aliens don't show that much enviromental awareness.

Really, it reacted to light? That's weird, xenomorphs don't even have eyes.

It could have been reacting to the current in the bulb, or as the light was a cop car style light the motion of the refector

[Vympel]

Can someone explain to me how an egg got on the Sulaco? Ripley foolishly wasted all her grenades on the egg-laying part of the Queen's body in Aliens- wasted most of her pulse rifle ammo on eggs that she destroyed later with her grenade bandolier anyway ... so how did the Queen manage to get an egg on the ship?

[Vympel]

Gah forgot- if i had been Ripley- and had been surrounded by ammo in the dropship- I would've had the presence of mind to bring along a few extra magazines.

[Typhonis 1]

Oi they made many mistakes in Aliens

1 why only send a squad??they could have sent a platoon specially if these "bugs" were as nasty as Ripley said they were

2 Goreman was on his SECOND combat drop he was still wet behind the ears and shouldnt have been sent

3 they gave there pulse rifle ammo o ONE man instead of keeping it themselves and it seemed each soldier only had a single magazine pluss the grenades

4 where the heck were the marines CLAYMORES???? like they wouldnt use directional mines or there futturistic equivalent??

[Vympel]

Oi they made many mistakes in Aliens

1 why only send a squad??they could have sent a platoon specially if these "bugs" were as nasty as Ripley said they were

It was a platoon- commanded by a Lieutenant, a Seargant as his second in command, and with two Corporals (Hicks and Dietrick) as squad leaders

2 Goreman was on his SECOND combat drop he was still wet behind the ears and shouldnt have been sent

Agree.

3 they gave there pulse rifle ammo o ONE man instead of keeping it themselves and it seemed each soldier only had a single magazine pluss the grenades

Yup.

4 where the heck were the marines CLAYMORES???? like they wouldnt use directional mines or there futturistic equivalent??

Destroyed when the Dropship crashed into the APC.

[Typhonis 1]

Well I thought one or two of them may have had a satchel of claymores at least or some were in the apc and a platoon is what 35 men??? didnt they only have twelve not counting Ripley and Burke?

[Vympel]

Well I thought one or two of them may have had a satchel of claymores at least or some were in the apc and a platoon is what 35 men??? didnt they only have twelve not counting Ripley and Burke?

It is small for a platoon- but that a lieutenant was in charge and that he had a full range of NCOs under him (a sarge and 2 corporals) would indicate that it is the futuristic platoon. Small, I agree totally.

As for satchels, it's possible that the marines killed in the initial debacle were carrying them, or more likely, they didn't think they'd need to manpack such defensive measures