SG1 9x03 (Origin) & SGA 2x03 (Runner)

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2005-07-30 03:57pm

Not bad, but not as good as The Siege pt 3. Seeing Ford after he's had some time to adjust to being Super-Ford™ was a nice treat, though. Eh, 3/5.

Post by **Dalton** » 2005-07-30 04:06pm

I like how they made McKay into a complete wuss with no military knowledge or experience. Unlike, say, Daniel Jackson, who became Nerd-Warrior.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-30 04:15pm

McKay is learning. He is better with pistols then he used to be and he does try to help others. He even tried to stop Ford, he just wasn't prepared for Ford to react back after being shot.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-30 04:27pm

Alyeska wrote:McKay is learning. He is better with pistols then he used to be and he does try to help others. He even tried to stop Ford, he just wasn't prepared for Ford to react back after being shot.

Yes. His improvement, I suspect might be like Daniel Jackson's. You never know, by season eight of Atlantis, he may be just as good as Danny's become.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-07-30 07:45pm

Okay, on the surface I thought that I would hate this episode. It is perhaps that my low expectations allowed me to give it 4/5.

With Ford, I always felt that the writers didn't know what to do with him in season 1 - which is why it came as no big suprise when they were announcing season 2 he was going to get bumped down a few notches to reoccuring character. I still maintain that he should have shot one of the kids from that episode where they kill anyone over 20-something to keep the Wraith away by accident. It would have made him more interesting.

This Ronan guy ... did anyone notice that in the flashback he was using Genii type weapons? I don't know about him, I'll wait and see before I make a judgement. Although theory; I think the Wraith couldn't feed off of him, that's why they decided to hunt him for sport.

The other thing I didn't like - and I was worried about this since The Siege Part 3 - is that the writers are seeming to make Tayla less of a bad ass. I mean she was never 'wonder woman', but with her Wrait DNA she could hold her own quite nicely against men who weighed more than her. But so far in this season, she failed to react when Ford had Dr Beckett up against a wall by the throat, and she bought it first from Ronan twice in this episode.

It's a pitty since she had been built up with great potential during season 1.

McKay and the new Major carried this episode.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2005-07-30 11:18pm

NecronLord wrote:
Akaramu Shinja wrote:Has anyone given thought to the idea that the Alterrans/Ori actually did create Humans? Before they got all fantical or better-than-thou. Which would essentially make the Ori right about being the creators of Humanity and as such, their gods in a way.
They did, as far as we know, recreate all life in the Milky Way.

Humm. I wonder if the Orii could have created the plague.

What's scary is that you might be right. The Ori and the Ancients could have been in a ColdWar for centuries before the plague. Notice that when the Ancients returned from Atlantis is about when Humanity started equating Fire with BadShit it seems. How better to stop the Ori's Evanglizing Origin than quietly teach that nasty evil things live in Fire and happy good things are pure white, clean light. Definately fits, considering the difference in their Ascended shapes.

ryan8723 · Post by **ryan8723** » 2005-07-31 02:14am

Daniel Jackson has had more frontline military experience than 99% of the people currently in the military, there is no reason why he shouldn't be an expert soldier by now. I mean he's now entering 9+ years of both extensive military training (you guys do remember that SG teams train extensively together, if you can remember those episodes where SG1 was training the new recruits and Daniel Jackson was there as well) and experience.

The only reason you guys don't think he should be a good soldier is because he technically isn't a military officer. IMO, he is probably one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base. The only better or equal soldiers to him are Teal'c and Carter.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-31 12:26pm

Quadlok wrote:Seeing those Wraith Darts zipping out of the stargate again raises a question. Why hasn't every podunk tribe located near one put a big damn rock pile right outside the splash perimeter? If they want to terrorize some poor planet, make 'em use their slowass ships.

Well, the Wraith do have probes they send through the gate, IIRC.

Incidentally, would it have been so hard for them to take a jumper and survey Ronan's planet with the lifesigns detection mode. Sure, the population may have been forced out of the cities, but it doesn't mean they're all dead. It would be most illogical of the wraith to hunt a species to extinction, and as we know he's been running for years, that would be before the recent spate of cullings.

Chmee · Post by **Chmee** » 2005-07-31 12:33pm

ryan8723 wrote:Daniel Jackson has had more frontline military experience than 99% of the people currently in the military, there is no reason why he shouldn't be an expert soldier by now. I mean he's now entering 9+ years of both extensive military training (you guys do remember that SG teams train extensively together, if you can remember those episodes where SG1 was training the new recruits and Daniel Jackson was there as well) and experience.

The only reason you guys don't think he should be a good soldier is because he technically isn't a military officer. IMO, he is probably one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base. The only better or equal soldiers to him are Teal'c and Carter.

Michael Shanks has helped perpetuate this idea by seriously re-shaping his body since Season 1, making him *look* more like a soldier than he used to. But, "one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base"? Let's hope not! He does not spend most of his day in military training, he spends it reading, researching, and analyzing data. Combat officers posted to the SGC would be 'elite' personnel who had gone through the toughest security & qualification screening imaginable, and then they would be training to improve that proficiency as SG team members.

Jackson has gone from incompetent geek to competent veteran as a part-time soldier, but he's still mainly a scholar, I would expect real soldiers to outclass him in many areas.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-31 12:42pm

Daniel is good. He has practical combat experience and he knows more then just the basics on infantry combat. But he still doesn't equate to your basic SG soldier with combat experience. Daniel doesn't practice as often as they do.

One area I know soldiers would outclass Daniel is planing and tactics. Daniel knows the basics on how to act and react, but I doubt he's recieved training on how to plan ambushes and setup offensive/defensive tactics.

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2005-07-31 01:43pm

Chmee wrote:
ryan8723 wrote:Daniel Jackson has had more frontline military experience than 99% of the people currently in the military, there is no reason why he shouldn't be an expert soldier by now. I mean he's now entering 9+ years of both extensive military training (you guys do remember that SG teams train extensively together, if you can remember those episodes where SG1 was training the new recruits and Daniel Jackson was there as well) and experience.

The only reason you guys don't think he should be a good soldier is because he technically isn't a military officer. IMO, he is probably one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base. The only better or equal soldiers to him are Teal'c and Carter.
Michael Shanks has helped perpetuate this idea by seriously re-shaping his body since Season 1, making him *look* more like a soldier than he used to. But, "one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base"? Let's hope not! He does not spend most of his day in military training, he spends it reading, researching, and analyzing data. Combat officers posted to the SGC would be 'elite' personnel who had gone through the toughest security & qualification screening imaginable, and then they would be training to improve that proficiency as SG team members.

Jackson has gone from incompetent geek to competent veteran as a part-time soldier, but he's still mainly a scholar, I would expect real soldiers to outclass him in many areas.

Even by Season 1 though, Otaco---er... Danny-Boy's been gunning down Jaffa rather ridiculously. In the Season 1 fanale cliffhanger episode, he mows them down with akimbo pistols, then double submachine guns while running. I'd like to see most soldiers do that reliably, against an opponent that somehow resists M16 bullets.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-07-31 02:40pm

Nephtys wrote: Even by Season 1 though, Otaco---er... Danny-Boy's been gunning down Jaffa rather ridiculously. In the Season 1 fanale cliffhanger episode, he mows them down with akimbo pistols, then double submachine guns while running. I'd like to see most soldiers do that reliably, against an opponent that somehow resists M16 bullets.

Jaffa armour protects against standard FMJ rounds, not the specialist penetrators used by the SGC.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2005-07-31 02:43pm

Nephtys wrote:
Chmee wrote:
ryan8723 wrote:Daniel Jackson has had more frontline military experience than 99% of the people currently in the military, there is no reason why he shouldn't be an expert soldier by now. I mean he's now entering 9+ years of both extensive military training (you guys do remember that SG teams train extensively together, if you can remember those episodes where SG1 was training the new recruits and Daniel Jackson was there as well) and experience.

The only reason you guys don't think he should be a good soldier is because he technically isn't a military officer. IMO, he is probably one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base. The only better or equal soldiers to him are Teal'c and Carter.
Michael Shanks has helped perpetuate this idea by seriously re-shaping his body since Season 1, making him *look* more like a soldier than he used to. But, "one of the best soldiers the SGC has on its base"? Let's hope not! He does not spend most of his day in military training, he spends it reading, researching, and analyzing data. Combat officers posted to the SGC would be 'elite' personnel who had gone through the toughest security & qualification screening imaginable, and then they would be training to improve that proficiency as SG team members.

Jackson has gone from incompetent geek to competent veteran as a part-time soldier, but he's still mainly a scholar, I would expect real soldiers to outclass him in many areas.
Even by Season 1 though, Otaco---er... Danny-Boy's been gunning down Jaffa rather ridiculously. In the Season 1 fanale cliffhanger episode, he mows them down with akimbo pistols, then double submachine guns while running. I'd like to see most soldiers do that reliably, against an opponent that somehow resists M16 bullets.

Very much wrong. Daniel does the whole two handed bit and gets himself nearly killed for it.

Had he just crouched and fired from a prone position with the stock extended Daniel could have nailed both Jaffa easily. Instead he tries firing a MP5 in one hand and a pistol in the other and nearly gets killed for the action.

Daniel only became truly good at combat by season 5.

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-07-31 04:36pm

NecronLord wrote:
Quadlok wrote:Seeing those Wraith Darts zipping out of the stargate again raises a question. Why hasn't every podunk tribe located near one put a big damn rock pile right outside the splash perimeter? If they want to terrorize some poor planet, make 'em use their slowass ships.
Well, the Wraith do have probes they send through the gate, IIRC.

Incidentally, would it have been so hard for them to take a jumper and survey Ronan's planet with the lifesigns detection mode. Sure, the population may have been forced out of the cities, but it doesn't mean they're all dead. It would be most illogical of the wraith to hunt a species to extinction, and as we know he's been running for years, that would be before the recent spate of cullings.

We know the Geneii were worried they'd hunt them all down because of the threat they represented with their technological superiority. Considering Ronan's people looked to be equal to or even superior to the Geneii, it's possible the wraith didn't like the idea of seeing a bunch of humans who knew a thing or two about technology survive. Kill 'em all and you don't have to worry about futute generations recovering their technological prowess.

Of course, I've got a pet theory that Ronan's people are just an extension of what used to be the old Geneii star federation, so who knows

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-07-31 07:48pm

Its Genii's United Confederation of Planets. Having it a federation would be a little tooo much of a ripoff given who the actor who delievers the line about the Genii is

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-07-31 09:00pm

What would happen if the Ori priests tried turning the Asgard?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-07-31 09:05pm

Gustav32Vasa wrote:What would happen if the Ori priests tried turning the Asgard?

They get first hand to see how the 'Go Somewhere' beams work?

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2005-07-31 09:48pm

I've noticed similarities in non-Atlantis human weapons throughout Atlantis. Ronan's gun is superficially similar to the Geneii gun, but it's an energy weapon instead of the slugthrowers the Geneii and their allies use.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2005-08-01 01:07am

I'm a bit confused now. ARe the Orri and the ancients from the same species?

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2005-08-01 02:27am

ArmorPierce wrote:I'm a bit confused now. ARe the Orri and the ancients from the same species?

All indications are they were originally the same species, but nothing actually conclusive has been shown.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2005-08-01 05:33am

Matt Huang wrote:I've noticed similarities in non-Atlantis human weapons throughout Atlantis. Ronan's gun is superficially similar to the Geneii gun, but it's an energy weapon instead of the slugthrowers the Geneii and their allies use.

Not the one in the flashback. It had the 'triple' barrel consistant with Genii weapons, a wooden stock and it was indeed a slugthrower (also consitant with Genii weapons).

I would say Plushie's post of Ronan's world being apart of the Genii's United Confederation of Planets is a very well founded suspicion, or at least Ronan's planet had some kind of arms trade with the GUCP.

As for the pistol he carries around now, that could have been picked up from wherever ... that reminds me, we still haven't learned where the fuck Teyla got her funky lighter thingy from ...

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2005-08-01 08:40am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:What would happen if the Ori priests tried turning the Asgard?

Maybe we would learn if ascended beings are vulnerable to gravitational pull of black holes(as the ascended times suggested). The Asgard have the ability to collapse stars into black holes after all.

I know it's just wishful thinking, but I hope that there are technological means to bitchslap ascended beings.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-08-01 10:22am

Gustav32Vasa wrote:What would happen if the Ori priests tried turning the Asgard?

They'd be unimpressed. Their former allies the Nox seem to be more impressive, IMO, than the Priors. Assuming the Ancients protect the Asgard from the Orii attacking them directly, I doubt there's much the Priors and their followers could do to them.

Here's a question. What would the Orii have to say about Anubis?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2005-08-01 10:32am

Also, do you guys think that the self-immolation bit was actually destructive, or if it was some form of teleportation?

Plushie · Post by **Plushie** » 2005-08-01 11:17am

ggs wrote:Its Genii's United Confederation of Planets. Having it a federation would be a little tooo much of a ripoff given who the actor who delievers the line about the Genii is

Was just trying to look for a nuetral word anyway, seeing as its been far too long since I've seen the original Genii episode, anyway

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