Predator vs. Boba Fett

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 12:25pm

Darth Wong wrote:Danny Glover knocks him down with a sawed-off shotgun in the second movie. Lots of fluorescent green blood spraying around. He's obviously not bulletproof. And if the cloak itself was bulletproof, Mac wouldn't have been able to wound him with an M-16 in the first movie.

The cloak is off at that point in the movie. In the subway scene that other guy was shooting dead center on the pred and we hear them ricotering off. And the pred is standing in the center of the hallway, and we can see the shots we dead center down the hallway as well.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-11 01:34pm

waepons smeapons. In one of the Star Wards books Boba Fett took on an ENTIRE IMPERIAL GARISON and won. His exact duplicate/father fought a jedi to a stand still (obi-wan) and Fett is generally a bad ass in the weapons department.

By contrast Predators have lost in all the movies. Humans with 20th centuary have beat them.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-11 03:10pm

No shit. If 20th century humans can do the trick, I think the most famous bounty hunter in the Star Wars galaxy probably could, as well.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 06:33pm

You forgot he has also been beaten by a blind man with a stick. Both preds were beaten on shear luck by those guys. One was hit by a big ass log and the other was gutted by his own weapon.

Know this is just characters sheilds.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-11 06:50pm

And the blind man point is releveant how.

20th century tech both times overwhelmed the Predator regardless of character shielding.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-11 06:50pm

Gotta love the 'It's just character shields!' and 'It's just plot devices!' copouts.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 07:16pm

SirNitram wrote:Gotta love the 'It's just character shields!' and 'It's just plot devices!' copouts.

Especially when they only acknowledge the character shield on one side, ie- for Danny Glover or Arnie but not Han Solo.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-11 07:26pm

Darth Wong wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Gotta love the 'It's just character shields!' and 'It's just plot devices!' copouts.
Especially when they only acknowledge the character shield on one side, ie- for Danny Glover or Arnie but not Han Solo.

Of course! The Ent-Nil can survive anything, but the Falcon would die instantly!

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 09:33pm

Ghost Rider wrote:And the blind man point is releveant how.

20th century tech both times overwhelmed the Predator regardless of character shielding.

Your the one that sayed Pred got taken out by 20th cent guys. Is your blind man with a stick able to take out Anuld at the time?

If by 20th century technology you mean the Preds own weapon and a log.

Well, the log does belong to the uber stone-age tech.

The one that took out SW easliy enought. I now that isn't really the case, but both situations are about plot-devices here. The pred beat Anuld and Danny easly enought till a freak plot-driven orrcurence.

And I can aknoweledge character sheilds took him Bobba out. I never said otherwise didn't I? Its just the SW side brought it out first. And I responded in turn.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 09:42pm

Now can anyone tell me what to look for canonitity wise?

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-11 09:46pm

Not sure why you cant use the novels and Graphic novels for pred.

IIRC, the presence of the Alien Queen skull in the Pred ship is actually a nod to the AVP and Predator graphic novels.

You still don't know if they're canon. Also, we have no idea whether what you're saying is actually the case.

If you mean about "burners" then hes telling the truth, burners incinerated the basic Bug drone, headshots vaped the entire head etc.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-11 09:47pm

And that's why I asked revelance...because using character shields is one way to get a rise out of anyone and assume you're talking out of somewhere other than your mouth.

Which is why I don't use it as a point...but character shields aside people have provided evidence that shows the Predator's level of weaponry and shown that 20th centruy tech is capable of killing one.

As for Canon movies are always a place to start.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 09:47pm

white_rabbit wrote:Not sure why you cant use the novels and Graphic novels for pred.

Well, if we're including apocrypha, then you've got to deal with the invincible EU Boba Fett, who will mop up Predator and all of his toys without breaking a sweat.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-11 09:52pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:And the blind man point is releveant how.

20th century tech both times overwhelmed the Predator regardless of character shielding.
Your the one that sayed Pred got taken out by 20th cent guys. Is your blind man with a stick able to take out Anuld at the time?

If by 20th century technology you mean the Preds own weapon and a log.

Well, the log does belong to the uber stone-age tech. The one that took out SW easliy enought. I now that isn't really the case, but both situations are about plot-devices here. The pred beat Anuld and Danny easly enought till a freak plot-driven orrcurence.

And I can aknoweledge character sheilds took him Bobba out. I never said otherwise didn't I? Its just the SW side brought it out first. And I responded in turn.

The AT-ST wasn't a plot device death. It was application of something you, and many other sci-fi fanboys don't get: ENERGY. Two big-ass logs flying down at the speeds shown have lots of kinetic energy and momentum.

I'll reiterate for you, since you employ enough fallacies to make it necessary to have the simple explained: TECH LEVEL IS IRRELEVENT COMPARED TO ENERGY.

Character shields didn't take out Boba Fett. Boba Fett was never taken out, as he survived the Sarlacc and would later retire from Bounty Hunting.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 09:56pm

I though that is what we were using? People here mentioned it already.

And yes 20th centray tech could kill a Pred. Can't a rocket launcher do the same against fett? Heck, a pred took a lighting bolt.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 09:59pm

SirNitram wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:And the blind man point is releveant how.

20th century tech both times overwhelmed the Predator regardless of character shielding.
Your the one that sayed Pred got taken out by 20th cent guys. Is your blind man with a stick able to take out Anuld at the time?

If by 20th century technology you mean the Preds own weapon and a log.

Well, the log does belong to the uber stone-age tech. The one that took out SW easliy enought. I now that isn't really the case, but both situations are about plot-devices here. The pred beat Anuld and Danny easly enought till a freak plot-driven orrcurence.

And I can aknoweledge character sheilds took him Bobba out. I never said otherwise didn't I? Its just the SW side brought it out first. And I responded in turn.
The AT-ST wasn't a plot device death. It was application of something you, and many other sci-fi fanboys don't get: ENERGY. Two big-ass logs flying down at the speeds shown have lots of kinetic energy and momentum.

I'll reiterate for you, since you employ enough fallacies to make it necessary to have the simple explained: TECH LEVEL IS IRRELEVENT COMPARED TO ENERGY.

Character shields didn't take out Boba Fett. Boba Fett was never taken out, as he survived the Sarlacc and would later retire from Bounty Hunting.

Your either missing my point or ingnoring it.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-11 10:00pm

Darth_Shinji wrote:I though that is what we were using? People here mentioned it already.

And yes 20th centray tech could kill a Pred. Can't a rocket launcher do the same against fett? Heck, a pred took a lighting bolt.

And the Fett's armour has been trampled, shot, dropped into acid, vomitted out, lightsaber strikes, and damn near everything else.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-11 10:01pm

It also points out the Pred isn't bullet proof, and Fett with the Mandalorian Armor is...unless the Uzi is going to put out more than a lightsaber.

So that's why no one cares to here Boba Fett was apparently killed by a blind man with a stick.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 10:03pm

SirNitram wrote:
Darth_Shinji wrote:I though that is what we were using? People here mentioned it already.

And yes 20th centray tech could kill a Pred. Can't a rocket launcher do the same against fett? Heck, a pred took a lighting bolt.
And the Fett's armour has been trampled, shot, dropped into acid, vomitted out, lightsaber strikes, and damn near everything else.

acid was weak, everyone was said to be digested for thousands of years. Alots of people were still in there with no armour. And the only lightsaber strikes I know off killed Jango or killed various wearers like the pirate from tales of the jedi.

Darth_Shinji · Post by **Darth_Shinji** » 2003-01-11 10:06pm

Ghost Rider wrote:It also points out the Pred isn't bullet proof, and Fett with the Mandalorian Armor is...unless the Uzi is going to put out more than a lightsaber.

So that's why no one cares to here Boba Fett was apparently killed by a blind man with a stick.

By the secound one no the pred isn't, or you just ingnoreing my points from the canon movies? If so I'll stop posting, your made your minds and no amount of evidence is going to change them.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-11 10:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:Not sure why you cant use the novels and Graphic novels for pred.
Well, if we're including apocrypha, then you've got to deal with the invincible EU Boba Fett, who will mop up Predator and all of his toys without breaking a sweat.

well, that would depend does the Star Destroyer he borrowed, however briefly count ?

Although the Yautja get lots of toys as well, heavy armoured exo-skeletons for one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 10:13pm

white_rabbit wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:Not sure why you cant use the novels and Graphic novels for pred.
Well, if we're including apocrypha, then you've got to deal with the invincible EU Boba Fett, who will mop up Predator and all of his toys without breaking a sweat.
well, that would depend does the Star Destroyer he borrowed, however briefly count ?

Given that Slave-1 mounts gigaton weaponry, does it matter?

Although the Yautja get lots of toys as well, heavy armoured exo-skeletons for one.

As if that will matter against a SW blaster rifle.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-11 10:21pm

Darth Wong wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:
Darth Wong wrote: Well, if we're including apocrypha, then you've got to deal with the invincible EU Boba Fett, who will mop up Predator and all of his toys without breaking a sweat.
well, that would depend does the Star Destroyer he borrowed, however briefly count ?
Given that Slave-1 mounts gigaton weaponry, does it matter?

Mike, Mike, Mike. You have no concept of overkill.

Darth_Nader · Post by **Darth_Nader** » 2003-01-11 11:38pm

first off all the predator has to do is snipe Fett (the predator doesnt fight at close range unless he has to) predator is like a lion, he hides then pounces by staying at a safe distance then fires, fett wouldnt now what hit him. yeah fetts armor was fine when trampled but his Jet pack didnt work, it was broken when the Reek trampled him (Fett relys on the jet pack to often).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-11 11:39pm

Darth_Nader wrote:first off all the predator has to do is snipe Fett (the predator doesnt fight at close range unless he has to) predator is like a lion, he hides then pounces by staying at a safe distance then fires, fett wouldnt now what hit him. yeah fetts armor was fine when trampled but his Jet pack didnt work, it was broken when the Reek trampled him (Fett relys on the jet pack to often).

Predator never "sniped" anyone beyond a range of a hundred metres. That's not sniping. In Coruscant, that doesn't even reach the other side of a major intersection.