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Same conditions apply, who wins?

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Galatic Empire.Connor MacLeod wrote:Same conditions apply, who wins?
It'll be a fight that the GE won't ever forget.... SLAMs will eat ImpStars dead, and a Furyverse task force would have a lot of SLAMs. It would be a highly bloody war either way.Stormbringer wrote:And the GE's FTL advantage is staggering. Most Furverse ships make about 500c and that'll get them very very dead.
So a teraton level bomb? The size of the missile would restirct the size of the collapsing singularity, keeping it in the low numbers. Why are people claiming they will take out SDs in a single shot then?SylasGaunt wrote:SLAMs are Fasset drive missiles, i.e. a targeted black hole.
Well, I wonder if it would be destroyed. The description says any star, meaning it can handle neutron stars no problem. A black hole is a few magnitudes greater, which is why I wonder. Would it maybe make the black hole explode, or is the difference too great?Stormbringer wrote:I assume you mean a Sun Crusher Torpedo?Ender wrote:And idle speculation since it couldn't be a valid sustainrd tactic:
What would happen if a SC torp was shot into a blackhole?
If that's what you mean it'd be destroyed. Not to mention why would you do that in the first place.
This isn't a bomb this is a black hole ramming you at c-fractoional velocitiesEnder wrote:So a teraton level bomb? The size of the missile would restirct the size of the collapsing singularity, keeping it in the low numbers. Why are people claiming they will take out SDs in a single shot then?SylasGaunt wrote:SLAMs are Fasset drive missiles, i.e. a targeted black hole.
Ok then. From the term missile I was thinking bomb, meaning a collapsing black hole.SylasGaunt wrote:This isn't a bomb this is a black hole ramming you at c-fractoional velocitiesEnder wrote:So a teraton level bomb? The size of the missile would restirct the size of the collapsing singularity, keeping it in the low numbers. Why are people claiming they will take out SDs in a single shot then?SylasGaunt wrote:SLAMs are Fasset drive missiles, i.e. a targeted black hole.
A missile which generates a blackhole and is in constant freefall into the black hole. However the blackhole is moving(through act of technobable what else?)Ender wrote:1) What are SLAMs?
IIRC they really dont go into what they use for armour. Considering their main style of weapon is a blackhole moving at 0.98c, armour is fairlt useless. Also the blackhole is projected some distance away from the ship/missile, they can control were it is projected & the distance it is projected at.2) What about tha armor of thses ships? If it can use a blackhole as a drive, that has to be some monsterous materials and structural engineering (that or Weber is going to the point of lunacy again)
Yes, a SLAM kills by ramming stuff with the blackhole of the drive system at fractional c.4) Would the ramming with the black hole have an effect?
A few million klicks(a few lightseconds) is still close range for Furyverse. For example SLAMs have a range of 37 lightminutes.5) Jans point about SW combat ranges is BS. Close range fighting is a favored tactic by the rebels post Endor because it minimizes some Imperial advantages, but the NJO shows most engagements happening at long range (IE the controversial Rebel Dream shot, in Agents of Chaos a ship that jumped across the solar system being engaged a few minutes later, the TL range given in the SWTJ, the quote from Solo Command (I think that was it, might have been iron fist) about the differences in Effective range and maximum range that puts a difference of a few million klicks based on the Mandel speeds)
There are several problems for that:Ender wrote:Wonder if the compensator field would negate it.
And still contradicts his attempt at a point.ggs wrote:Except the inertial compensator fields in wars can be used to negate the black holes used by the Vong so their ramming attacks don't work like that. I think the same thing might happen here. Meaning these vaunted SLAMs would be overblown kinetic weaponsEnder wrote:Yes, a SLAM kills by ramming stuff with the blackhole of the drive system at fractional c.4) Would the ramming with the black hole have an effect?
A few million klicks(a few lightseconds) is still close range for Furyverse. For example SLAMs have a range of 37 lightminutes.
The blackholes used by Furyverse are not the same as the psuedo-blackholes used by the Vong.Ender wrote:ggs wrote:Except the inertial compensator fields in wars can be used to negate the black holes used by the Vong so their ramming attacks don't work like that. I think the same thing might happen here. Meaning these vaunted SLAMs would be overblown kinetic weaponsEnder wrote: Yes, a SLAM kills by ramming stuff with the blackhole of the drive system at fractional c.
If that were the case the drive should not work.ggs wrote:Furyverse drive blackholes behave like real blackholes!
It explicetly says any type in the EGWT IIRCAlso the Sun Crusher Torpedo would not destroy a neurton star. The Sun Crusher Torpedo is decribed as causing a chain reaction in a star primaryly composed of hydrogen & Helium to cause a type 2 super-nova. A neutron star is a solid mass of matter!
Well, freaking duh. That's the whole idea behind a SLAM missle. The point is, even if you find a way to negate the black hole you still have a multi-ton missle bearing down at you at the better of c.SylasGaunt wrote:I doubt it works on kinetic effects either.. the most obvious and likely method of it's operation is for the thing to just drive right through whatever it hits.
Probably. I'm just pointing it out, since the SLAMs appear to get the same fanboy-worship treatement that PSPs do in andromeda (even to the assumption that they'll be "huge kinetic impactors" - except the Rommies think that their ships are literally hurling masses as large as a planet at relatavistic speedsSylasGaunt wrote:I doubt it works on kinetic effects either.. the most obvious and likely method of it's operation is for the thing to just drive right through whatever it hits.