Gandalf vs. Tyrael

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-22 11:36pm

Who would win in this situation? This is a one on one battle (no outside forces interfering). Tyrael the archangel with his sword Azurewrath against Gandalf the Istari with his sword Glamdring. Both are free to use their powers against one another.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-22 11:54pm

I don't think there's enough info on Tyrael. He's archangel, and we can only guess what powers that title must imply.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-22 11:54pm

Okay, it's possible to fight Diablo in Hell at level 65. I think that Aragorn is AT LEAST that strong, seeing as how he's more than a hundred years old and is very powerful for a human. Since Tyrael couldn't even kill a much weaker form of Diablo in Act II, and Gandalf and Aragorn both knew that Aragorn didn't have a chance of even slowing the Balrog down, I think that Gandalf takes this one pretty easily.

Luke Starkiller · Post by **Luke Starkiller** » 2003-01-22 11:59pm

Just a nitpick, but Azurewrath was Izual's sword, not Tyrael's; and it sucks. Tyrael never demonstrates any particularly astonishing abilities and has to get humans to do his dirty work for him.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-23 12:01am

Master of Ossus wrote:Okay, it's possible to fight Diablo in Hell at level 65. I think that Aragorn is AT LEAST that strong, seeing as how he's more than a hundred years old and is very powerful for a human. Since Tyrael couldn't even kill a much weaker form of Diablo in Act II, and Gandalf and Aragorn both knew that Aragorn didn't have a chance of even slowing the Balrog down, I think that Gandalf takes this one pretty easily.

Tyreal also had to deal with Baal as well.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-23 12:03am

Master of Ossus wrote:Okay, it's possible to fight Diablo in Hell at level 65. I think that Aragorn is AT LEAST that strong, seeing as how he's more than a hundred years old and is very powerful for a human. Since Tyrael couldn't even kill a much weaker form of Diablo in Act II, and Gandalf and Aragorn both knew that Aragorn didn't have a chance of even slowing the Balrog down, I think that Gandalf takes this one pretty easily.

I think tyrael would've had a good chance of killing Diablo if Marius hadn't freed Baal.

But judging from stuff I've seen, I would have to say that Gandalf would most likely win.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-23 12:06am

It would be interesting to replace the Balrog with Tyrael at the bridge of Khazadhum. Tyrael would have flown over to Gandalf, picked him up with his wing/tendrils at then thrown him into the black abyss.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-23 12:39am

Next of Kin wrote:It would be interesting to replace the Balrog with Tyrael at the bridge of Khazadhum. Tyrael would have flown over to Gandalf, picked him up with his wing/tendrils at then thrown him into the black abyss.

Oh, and Gandalf wouldn't do anything while Tyrael was flying over?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-23 04:48am

Luke Starkiller wrote:Just a nitpick, but Azurewrath was Izual's sword, not Tyrael's; and it sucks. Tyrael never demonstrates any particularly astonishing abilities and has to get humans to do his dirty work for him.

Reason is he could not interfear in mortal affairs, he was forbade by his bosses. what can you do when the cheif goes 'nu uh'?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-23 04:55am

Aragorn's 100 years old?

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-23 05:00am

Vympel wrote:Aragorn's 100 years old?

He was moving alright to me for a 100 year old corpse...

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-01-23 10:09am

IIRC, the books say he is roughly 87 years old.

Not sure if the films changed is age, or if Viggo was supposed to be playing with a lot more years under his belt than he appears. Blame the Elves, I say.

No wonder they didn't go with the younger guy.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2003-01-23 10:22am

Darth Utsanomiko wrote:IIRC, the books say he is roughly 87 years old.

Not sure if the films changed is age, or if Viggo was supposed to be playing someone with a lot more years under his belt than he appears. Blame the Elves, I say.

No wonder they didn't go with the younger guy.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-23 06:00pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Next of Kin wrote:It would be interesting to replace the Balrog with Tyrael at the bridge of Khazadhum. Tyrael would have flown over to Gandalf, picked him up with his wing/tendrils at then thrown him into the black abyss.
Oh, and Gandalf wouldn't do anything while Tyrael was flying over?

What would he have done?

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-23 06:16pm

Cast a spell of banishing, perhaps?

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-01-23 06:28pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Cast a spell of banishing, perhaps?

And where does Gandalf exactly use this spell in the books? Maybe he should cast the super mega Hadoken o' doom instead!

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-01-23 06:49pm

Aragorn has a really long life span, so it's quite possible that this is manifested by him showing aging slow, so while he appears to only be 30 years old, he's really 3 times that...

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-01-23 07:20pm

Next of Kin wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Cast a spell of banishing, perhaps?
And where does Gandalf exactly use this spell in the books? Maybe he should cast the super mega Hadoken o' doom instead!

Simply because he doesn't use a banishing spell in the books doesn't mean he couldn't use a banishing spell at all.

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-23 07:42pm

Next of Kin wrote:Who would win in this situation? This is a one on one battle (no outside forces interfering). Tyrael the archangel with his sword Azurewrath against Gandalf the Istari with his sword Glamdring. Both are free to use their powers against one another.

Azurewrath is a fucking weakass sword

Tyrael gets owned

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-24 01:17am

You do know Azurewrath isn't Tyrael's balde

Also as for this goes...I say Gandalf, if for nothing else we have at least an idea of his powers. Tyrael...zilch aside from two arch-deamons can chain him.

ArchMage · Post by **ArchMage** » 2003-01-24 02:18am

what are gandalfs powers? he can throw flaming acorns? ive only read the hobbit and the 3 lotr and gandolf doesnt do anything that would put him at higher then say (in Dnd terms) a 6th level mage. (except the whole jesus thing) Do the other books Tolken wrote state different?

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-24 05:22am

ArchMage wrote:what are gandalfs powers? he can throw flaming acorns? ive only read the hobbit and the 3 lotr and gandolf doesnt do anything that would put him at higher then say (in Dnd terms) a 6th level mage. (except the whole jesus thing) Do the other books Tolken wrote state different?

We know that he can take on multiple Nazgul at once and have a pretty good chance of coming out ahead. Then when he's Gandalf the White I believe when he goes out to save Faramir he bolts one of the flying Nazgul from a long ways off.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 05:30am

Just how long do Dunedain live?

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-24 05:31am

I believe round about 200 years is to be expected.

ArchMage · Post by **ArchMage** » 2003-01-24 01:18pm

Silver wrote: We know that he can take on multiple Nazgul at once and have a pretty good chance of coming out ahead. Then when he's Gandalf the White I believe when he goes out to save Faramir he bolts one of the flying Nazgul from a long ways off.

Well the Nazgul dont look/seem impressive at all. what do they have? black horses, then black flying drakes (or whatever), No special powers that i know of (other then being able to see whoever uses the Ring)

I still do see any reason why Gandalf could beat an ArchAngle.

In LotR all the magic powes/people SEEM powerful but never do anything to get that title (well compaired to say DnD). of course to normal hobbits, anyone who can thow flaming acorns at people and have cast low level illusions would seem powerful.

I say Tyrial wins

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