Battlestar Vs Omega Destroyer

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-01-23 07:12pm

Both are fully loaded with fighters.

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 08:15pm

The Galactica is a space based carrier nothing more. She has little organic firepower beyond anti-fighter weapons.

Considering how easily the fleet was destroyed by Cylon fighters I would not rate her as having much ability to take on other cap ships.

starfury · Post by **starfury** » 2003-01-23 08:30pm

Galactica has much superior speed, range, etc and powerful missile weapons which can easily reduce the omega to scrap, it also has 3 times the fighter number of the destoryer

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 08:35pm

Really? At best per the show the Galactica has a top speed of light speed. This appeared to be its maximum top stop.

Also we only saw the missle weapons used once and the result was the destruction of two cylon baseships.

As for range. You cannot say anything about its range. The writers of BG knew so little about science that they once confused solar system with galaxy.

starfury wrote:Galactica has much superior speed, range, etc and powerful missile weapons which can easily reduce the omega to scrap, it also has 3 times the fighter number of the destoryer

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-23 08:49pm

DocMoriartty wrote:As for range. You cannot say anything about its range. The writers of BG knew so little about science that they once confused solar system with galaxy.

If we start disqualifying stuff because of writers' incompetence, we might as well throw out everything

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 08:58pm

Darth Wong wrote:
DocMoriartty wrote:As for range. You cannot say anything about its range. The writers of BG knew so little about science that they once confused solar system with galaxy.
If we start disqualifying stuff because of writers' incompetence, we might as well throw out everything

True but I doubt anyone has screwed things up as badly as the BG writers did.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-23 09:06pm

I'd hand it to the Omega Destroyer, since it has interceptors, a full anti-fighter defense, AND heavy PPG turrets.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-23 09:10pm

DocMoriartty wrote:The Galactica is a space based carrier nothing more. She has little organic firepower beyond anti-fighter weapons.

Colonial battlestars have at least two long-range megapulsar energy cannon for direct capship-to-capship combat ("The Living Legend", "The Hand Of God").

Considering how easily the fleet was destroyed by Cylon fighters I would not rate her as having much ability to take on other cap ships.

Hasty Generalisation fallacy, and a huge one at that. The fleet was caught flatfooted due to the idiotic refusal of President Adar to even recognise the possibility of a Cylon attack and failure to order his ship commanders to assume a defensive posture. The performance of the Galactica in that lost battle speaks to the capability of a battlestar with a competent commander at the helm.

Secondly, the Cylons are on a full technological par with the Colonials, subsequently their fighter/bomber craft and weaponry would be capable of taking down a battlestar as much as the battlestar is capable of taking down a basestar. The Omega has nowhere near the same level of capability and a total of 36 fighters in its attack wing, which is not even half that of the number of craft carried aboard a battlestar. Any attempt to liken the offensive capability of an Omega-class destroyer to that of a Cylon basestar as example of the "poor" capabilities of a battlestar fails immediately.

In terms of defensive capability, two battlestars and their squadrons proved more than a match for a full Cylon battlegroup at Gomoray in "The Living Legend". One battlestar had effectively kept a major Cylon base suppressed for two years alone, without aid of any sort or relief, and according to the same episode, this was the equivalant of a basestar's attack wing.

Finally, a battlestar has electronic defence shields ("The Living Legend") and heavily armoured hulls. Omegas have nowhere near that level of protection and would not withstand the full assault of a battlestar's attack wing.

In short, the Omega would be destroyed in short order.

And as to the whole "battlestar is limited to lightspeed" argument, the fact that the Galactica and her refugee fleet were covering interstellar distances within weeks or months at most instead of decades or centuries clearly destroys that argument altogether. Dialogue is not superior to visuals or series development.

The colonial battlestar wins this fight handily.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-23 09:17pm

Colonial battlestars have at least two long-range megapulsar energy cannon for direct capship-to-capship combat ("The Living Legend", "The Hand Of God").

Oops, didn't know that. Fight goes to the Battlestar.

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 09:23pm

You sure make things up well.

A Battlestar is so weak that a single kamikazee hit from a Cylon fighter took out her launchbay and came within inches of taking out the entire ship.

Colonial Vipers have zero heavy weapons for taking down cap ships. She has a pair of pulse lasers and nothing more.

You see ONE ocassion when a Battlestar takes on another cap ship and she uses a volley of missles. I don't remember hearing about any heavy pulse cannons other than a time the Viper squadrons were being briefed on the abilities of a psylon basestar.

You also only see one instance when an energy shield is used. This shield is projected to protect a planet from inbound nukes (no the nukes did not detonate with nuclear force).

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-23 09:31pm

DocMoriartty wrote:You sure make things up well.

The things I "made up" are from the series. They are canon fact. Deal with them.

A Battlestar is so weak that a single kamikazee hit from a Cylon fighter took out her launchbay and came within inches of taking out the entire ship.

Once again, we're talking about a ship from a technologically equivalent power with equivalent weaponry, and your one example from "Fire In Space" fails because the crew were trying to save the idiot kid before depressurising the section to extinguish the fires, as they did do in "The Living Legend".

Colonial Vipers have zero heavy weapons for taking down cap ships. She has a pair of pulse lasers and nothing more.

Colonial vipers have equivalent weaponry to Cylon Raiders, and in terms of the BG universe, an Omega wouldn't even rate as threatening as a sampan.

You see ONE ocassion when a Battlestar takes on another cap ship and she uses a volley of missles. I don't remember hearing about any heavy pulse cannons other than a time the Viper squadrons were being briefed on the abilities of a psylon basestar.

No, I saw a direct battlestar/basestar confrontation with energy weapons and the battlestar won. It was called "The Hand Of God", BG episode number seventeen. Canon fact. Eat it.

You also only see one instance when an energy shield is used. This shield is projected to protect a planet from inbound nukes (no the nukes did not detonate with nuclear force).

No, I saw when Commander Cain ordered "all electronic defense shields to full" before his ship took on two basestars. Again, canon fact. Eat it.

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 09:41pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
DocMoriartty wrote:You sure make things up well.
The things I "made up" are from the series. They are canon fact. Deal with them.

Once again, we're talking about a ship from a technologically equivalent power with equivalent weaponry, and your one example from "Fire In Space" fails because the crew were trying to save the idiot kid before depressurising the section to extinguish the fires, as they did do in "The Living Legend".

Colonial vipers have equivalent weaponry to Cylon Raiders, and in terms of the BG universe, an Omega wouldn't even rate as threatening as a sampan.

Eat this dipshit.

1. When does technology level matter in a KAMIKAZEE attack. The Psylon ship rammed into Galactica. This has nothing do with firepower.

2. Give me ONE concrete example of Battlestar or Viper firepower that you CAN RATE in any scientific manner that lets you compare it to the firepower of an Omega Destroyer.

You cannot so stop with the crack smoking and come up with some arguements that are more than your delusional opinions.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-23 10:03pm

Watch The Living Legend, Part Two. That has Vipers performing strafing runs on the planet Gomoray. I don't have clips or I'd send them to someone, but there should be sufficient damage shown to calculate a minimum firepower for the Viper. I don't know about any other episodes with good fight scenes, since I haven't seen the show in a couple years.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-23 10:11pm

DocMoriartty wrote:Eat this dipshit.

I'm not going to be eating anything, fuckwit. But you will.

1. When does technology level matter in a KAMIKAZEE attack. The Psylon ship rammed into Galactica. This has nothing do with firepower.

Au contràire, idiot, it has everything to do with the matter in terms of the thrust of the ship, it's inertial mass upon impact, and the power of its weaponry upon impact when it explodes. To put it simply, a modern aircraft carrier may be severely damaged if hit in a kamikaze attack from a modern jet fighter with a full bombload. It will not suffer anywhere near that level of damage if hit, say, by a World War I era biplane or even a World War II era kamikaze fighter.

2. Give me ONE concrete example of Battlestar or Viper firepower that you CAN RATE in any scientific manner that lets you compare it to the firepower of an Omega Destroyer.

We can do so by estimating the firepower expended against the Cylon basestar in "The Hand Of God". It was at least equivalent to the missiles fired by the Pegasus in "The Living Legend". Furthermore, we certainly can derive the power of EarthForce weaponry by observing their relative inability to destroy ships which can be taken down by low-megaton yield nukes ( In The Beginning ) and taking damage from megawatt-range pulse cannon from Starfury attacks in "Severed Dreams".

You cannot so stop with the crack smoking and come up with some arguements that are more than your delusional opinions.

Go fuck yourself, Doc. You provided zero evidence to back any of your wildly emotional claims and demonstrated a decided ignorance of the series you were commenting upon; the sure sign of a weak debator and an idiot.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-01-23 10:23pm

Will this link help?

http://www.tecr.com/galactica/

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-24 12:18am

Funny thing... That site is by Brandon Bray as well. And his numbers for the laser cannons, the lasers, not the pulse cannons, come out at about 5 times his high end for Omega weapons. The mega Pulse weaposn are more then 10 times stronger. If we go with low ends, the result is about the same. So it seems the Battlestar outguns the Omega.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 04:33am

Ignoring the Tigerclaw's sites a moment.. does anyoen here actually HAVE any calcs for the Battlestar? I mean actual numbers. I see alot of allegations that there are some but few actual figures being tossed around.

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2003-01-24 12:15pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:Ignoring the Tigerclaw's sites a moment.. does anyoen here actually HAVE any calcs for the Battlestar? I mean actual numbers. I see alot of allegations that there are some but few actual figures being tossed around.

I can't speak to actual figures, but didn't a Basestar wipe out
a planet's humanoid life in one episode? I don't know what the
planet was like, but I remember Brian talking about it back
when some folks were telling him his mass driver figures were
a billion times too low

ROTF.

I also seem to remember hearing something about how the
Galactica itself withstood a sizable barrage from nuclear weapons,
which would definitely put it on even terms with Omegas,
perhaps much more so depending on the nukes' yields.

More hearsay, then, I'm afraid

, but we know if Brian was talking about the former, there's something to it.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-01-24 12:18pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:Ignoring the Tigerclaw's sites a moment.. does anyoen here actually HAVE any calcs for the Battlestar? I mean actual numbers. I see alot of allegations that there are some but few actual figures being tossed around.

I don't think you will have an easy time of finding any good firepower calcs of a battlestart.

Oh, don't forget the episodes where they find earth. You might be able to do some decent calcs form there.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-24 12:40pm

DocMoriartty wrote:Really? At best per the show the Galactica has a top speed of light speed. This appeared to be its maximum top stop.

Since Degen tore the rest of your claims to shreds, I'll simply enlighten you on this:

In the BG's speed was = to light, it would take HUNDREDS of years for the fleet to reach Earth. Obviously, this is not the case.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 01:53pm

I'm still waiting to see a firepower calc, please. Someone here has to be watching or have watched the episodes enough to actually have come up with numbers.

For example:

Patrick Degan wrote: We can do so by estimating the firepower expended against the Cylon basestar in "The Hand Of God". It was at least equivalent to the missiles fired by the Pegasus in "The Living Legend". Furthermore, we certainly can derive the power of EarthForce weaponry by observing their relative inability to destroy ships which can be taken down by low-megaton yield nukes ( In The Beginning ) and taking damage from megawatt-range pulse cannon from Starfury attacks in "Severed Dreams".

Ignoring for a second that the "megawatt-range" pulse cannons are to my knowledge non-canonical (so far - Ted C estimated Gigajoule range starfury pulses based on "The Fall of Night" and That B5Wars gives Thunderbolts firepower as nearly comparable to a Minbari fighter.) - I see claims that the incident PROVES the Battelstar has higher firepower, yet we have no numbers (Do we know the yield of the missiles? Upon what basis are we assuming that the firepower expended against the Basestar in the "HoG" episode is comparable to these missiles?)

Until I see some numbers, I see no reason to think the Omega is outgunned.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 01:55pm

EmperorMing wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:Ignoring the Tigerclaw's sites a moment.. does anyoen here actually HAVE any calcs for the Battlestar? I mean actual numbers. I see alot of allegations that there are some but few actual figures being tossed around.
I don't think you will have an easy time of finding any good firepower calcs of a battlestart.

Oh, don't forget the episodes where they find earth. You might be able to do some decent calcs form there.

Then why the hell are you people saying the Omega loses, if you have no numbers to argue with??

BenRG · Post by **BenRG** » 2003-01-24 03:13pm

You should be able to get range/accuracy for the dual anti-fighter/GP guns from the episode where they visit an almost-Earth and stop a nuclear war from orbit. I would say that they are at about geostationary orbit (40,000km?) out and are hitting individual MIRVs with the anti-fighter guns with enough accuracy that none from either superpower's initial launch get through. As this was clearly an Earth-equivalent, you should be able to estimate the number of targets by extrapolating from Cold War ICBM figures.

Regarding 'The Living Legend part 2': I thought that the Pegasus was using her anti-ship missiles against the basestars, not any heavy guns.

Two Vipers, again in 'LL2', manage to get in close enough to a basestar to get inside its' shields and pick off all its' gun turrets. This must say something for their survivability and firepower.

I personally like to think that Colonial Battlestars of the Galactica's class have some heavier guns. My reasons are highly suspect. If you look at the visuals of the Galactica's forward superstructure, you see what look like large two-barrel beam weapon turrets underneath the bridge windows. I think that they are larger than the DP guns, which might indicate that they are heavier weapons. *Shrugs* I don't know.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-24 03:35pm

For Living Legend: Yes, the Battlestar Pegasus used 8 missiles to destroy two Basestars. The Vipers destroyed all the lateral missile launchers on those Basestars. It was also planned to have the Pegasus return in Season Two (which never occurred).

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-24 03:58pm

So is there a yield given for these bloody missiles or what? Am I going to have to start torturing people to get answers, or what?

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