Team HFS!(SSJ2 Vegitto, Thor, Superman) vs The Culture

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-23 07:37pm

Team HOLY FUCKING SHIT! vs The Culture

Assume Shenlong granted Vegitto and Thor the power to survive in space (I'm assuming Superman can already do this)

Assume Supes is pre-crises

When we're talking SSJ2 Vegitto, we're talking about someone who outclasses SSJ3 Goku severely (as in SSJ2Vegitto > Super Buu 3 > Super Buu 2 > Chao Gohan > SSJ3 Gotenks > Super Buu 1 > SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Fat Buu). Make your own judgement on Thor's power~ he can be asguardian or not.

*play FFX - Summoned Beast Battle in the background and HIT IT*

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-23 09:43pm

They still die none of them have the reaction speed to counter a Culture vessels attack and the thing can also Effectorise them thus the Culture wins

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-23 09:44pm

Any second now the DBZ crowd will began flaunting their insanity about their reaction speeds being picosecond.

DocMoriartty · Post by **DocMoriartty** » 2003-01-23 09:49pm

Typhonis 1 wrote:They still die none of them have the reaction speed to counter a Culture vessels attack and the thing can also Effectorise them thus the Culture wins

What is effectorise?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-23 09:54pm

Any second now the DBZ crowd will began flaunting their insanity about their reaction speeds being picosecond.

TENS OF A PICOSECOND IMPUTANT WELP!

Assuming Effectors don't work on them(heh right) they still get their rear kicked VIA distance fire

They realy need Conan if they want to stand a chance

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-01-23 09:56pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Any second now the DBZ crowd will began flaunting their insanity about their reaction speeds being picosecond.
TENS OF A PICOSECOND IMPUTANT WELP!

Assuming Effectors don't work on them(heh right) they still get their rear kicked VIA distance fire

They realy need Conan if they want to stand a chance

Hmmm...if they add Conan in there...NOW we have a fight eh Bean?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-23 10:41pm

^^ wrote:Assume Supes is pre-crises

Culture looses.

Badly.

No contest.

This is the person who could do pretty much anything.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-23 10:52pm

34 million 30000000km colums of gridfire, effectors, displacing them into a blackhole..... etc etc. Culture wins hands down.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-23 10:59pm

Superman is fast enough to travel through time (backwards). Forger Warp Strafing, he'll begin Time Strafing his opponents.

That, or go back to WAAAY back in the beginning and blow up a few planets.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-23 11:35pm

gridfire 1e55 energy droped onto a target area multi ly range I believe Cutlure ship battele take place over LY and take seconds and are fought by AIs ith unholy intelligence ,for shits and giggles they matehmattically alter universl constants and predict the resultnt universes very accureately,, they can trap foor energy directed at them..IE shunt it off to hyperspace and how well can Spes fight if a one gram chunk of AM is diplaced into him...last things Effectors the ultimate hacking tool can control electronic and biological organisms

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-23 11:53pm

In terms of power, HFS can compete toe to toe. Judging from the massive, massive power increases in the DB manga and even more so in the anime, we can infer that Vegitto could wipe out a good portion of the universe if he wanted to. We know how good Supes is, though Thor's power can be put into question.

Culture tries to displace Supes or Vegitto? No problem, they'll just resist it with sheer power, or Vegitto will just teleport to the nearest life force. Gridfire? Vegitto may or may not be able to just shrug it off~ Effectors? Dunno.

The problem is speed. Culture speed is unthinkable~ Vegitto can teleport instantly to anywhere he wants as long as he can comfortably sense a life force, but that is only a means of travel. Speed certainly does scale up with power in DBZ, and even with a PL of around 1200, velocities faster than light are mentioned to occur. The highest official PL rating was Freezer-era SSJGoku's at 15,000,000. Everything obviously skyrockets from there, and we see the same unthinkable leaps in power.

Anyways, i'm not sure how it will play out due to the speed factor~

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-24 12:08am

Give Vegeta Batmobile armor, and we're made.

Seriously, just because you can observe something on the scale of picoseconds doesn't mean you can react in time to it.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2003-01-24 12:17am

^^ wrote: The highest official PL rating was Freezer-era SSJGoku's at 15,000,000.

Oh? Where was this stated? After Ginyu's scouter thing was broken, no more reliable powerlevels other than Frieza's 1,000,000 boast were stated. And I reiterate boast.

The only way Thor may factor into this at all is if he is granted the Odinforce. And even then, I'm not entirely sure he can keep pace with Superman. Just remember though, Pre-Crisis Superman has met his match before. *cough cough* He-Man *cough cough*

Regardless, Culture wins. In the Idrian war, they lost MILLIONS of combat warships, battlestations, orbitals, ringworlds, and planets. It was considered a 'relatively small conflict'. Team HFS may be able to take on a few Culture ships (I'm being incredibly generous here), but thats before they get Militarized, and GSV's start pumping out ROU's at incredible rates, and suddenly team HSF gets blasted into oblivion from Hyperspace by 10,000 Gangster-class ROU's. Or they get nailed LY away from planetary-based or Orbital-based Lineguns.

Proof that Displacement can be "shrugged off" with "sheer power"? You need Fields for work like that.

Team HFS can't take on the whole Culture and win. No way in hell.

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-24 12:29am

NeoGoomba wrote:
^^ wrote: The highest official PL rating was Freezer-era SSJGoku's at 15,000,000.
Oh? Where was this stated? After Ginyu's scouter thing was broken, no more reliable powerlevels other than Frieza's 1,000,000 boast were stated. And I reiterate boast.

Stated in the various DBZ daizenshuu, done by Toriyama. That's about as official as you can get. Freezer's "boast" was confirmed by the same official PL rating.

The only way Thor may factor into this at all is if he is granted the Odinforce. And even then, I'm not entirely sure he can keep pace with Superman. Just remember though, Pre-Crisis Superman has met his match before. *cough cough* He-Man *cough cough*

And the culture isn't invincible either

Regardless, Culture wins. In the Idrian war, they lost MILLIONS of combat warships, battlestations, orbitals, ringworlds, and planets. It was considered a 'relatively small conflict'. Team HFS may be able to take on a few Culture ships (I'm being incredibly generous here),

Aha~ AHAHHAAHAHAHAA

A few culture ships would get wiped from existance

but thats before they get Militarized, and GSV's start pumping out ROU's at incredible rates, and suddenly team HSF gets blasted into oblivion from Hyperspace by 10,000 Gangster-class ROU's. Or they get nailed LY away from planetary-based or Orbital-based Lineguns.

Superman can travel fast enough to phase through a different dimension, reach them in no time, then tear em ta shreds

Proof that Displacement can be "shrugged off" with "sheer power"? You need Fields for work like that.

Heh~ Vegitto, Superman, or anyone at or above Thor's power in the marvel universe don't NEED anything.

Team HFS can't take on the whole Culture and win. No way in hell.

*Vegitto blows his nose and obliterates a few galaxies in the process*

Oops GG

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-24 12:32am

The Culture's big blind spot is no Time Travel.

Superman can Time Travel.

Culture looses.

*Always choose the simplest argument*

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-24 12:35am

Concerning Vegetto:

If the Culture can displace the air out of his lungs, or displace his brain out, then Culture would win.

But that's before Vegetto realizes what would happen and powers up a huge blast to wipe out the Culture galaxy and a few galaxies around it.

Also, we don't know if ki can propagate to other dimensions in space-time. If they don't then majority of the culture will survive. If ki does propagate, then I'm not sure how trapdoor will handle that much ki.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-24 12:35am

Yogi wrote:The Culture's big blind spot is no Time Travel.

Superman can Time Travel.

Culture looses.

*Always choose the simplest argument*

TIME TRAVEL DOESN'T WORK!!!! ARGHHHHHH!!! I HATE TIME TRAVEL!!!!!!!

Besides its a cop-out! Its liek saying Trek would kill Wars by going back 25,000 years and leveling Coruscant before it could ever reach space travel (or was it just FTL travel?) Regardless I say neigh to thee travleth of time!

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-24 12:36am

Shinova wrote:Concerning Vegetto:

If the Culture can displace the air out of his lungs, or displace his brain out, then Culture would win.

But that's before Vegetto realizes what would happen and powers up a huge blast to wipe out the Culture galaxy and a few galaxies around it.

Also, we don't know if ki can propagate to other dimensions in space-time. If they don't then majority of the culture will survive. If ki does propagate, then I'm not sure how trapdoor will handle that much ki.

Whoops, major grammar mistake. Replace "But that's before" with "Unless"

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-24 12:38am

Shinova wrote:Concerning Vegetto:

If the Culture can displace the air out of his lungs, or displace his brain out, then Culture would win.

But that's before Vegetto realizes what would happen and powers up a huge blast to wipe out the Culture galaxy and a few galaxies around it.

Air would probably not come into the mess because if they can survive in space, why would they need oxygen?

Also, we don't know if ki can propagate to other dimensions in space-time. If they don't then majority of the culture will survive. If ki does propagate, then I'm not sure how trapdoor will handle that much ki.

Super Buu 1 can tear a whole into a different dimension. Vegitto is far, far, far, etc above Super Buu 1.

^^ · Post by ^^ » 2003-01-24 12:40am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
Besides its a cop-out! Its liek saying Trek would kill Wars by going back 25,000 years and leveling Coruscant before it could ever reach space travel (or was it just FTL travel?) Regardless I say neigh to thee travleth of time!

And you think the Culture's ability to attack realspace targets from a different dimension is any less of a cop-out?

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-24 12:43am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:TIME TRAVEL DOESN'T WORK!!!! ARGHHHHHH!!! I HATE TIME TRAVEL!!!!!!!

Besides its a cop-out! Its liek saying Trek would kill Wars by going back 25,000 years and leveling Coruscant before it could ever reach space travel (or was it just FTL travel?) Regardless I say neigh to thee travleth of time!

I belive the reason that Time Travel was disallowed in the Wars vs. Trek debates was because in Trek, it was decided that in the Trek-verse it only creates an alternate universe. Same with the Marvel universe.

Not So with the DC universe, where Superman is from. The Culture-verse is a non-factor since they can't travel time.

Besides, it may be sneaky, but it IS an ability they have and one cannot simply take it away because you don't like it.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-24 12:46am

^^ wrote:
Shinova wrote:Concerning Vegetto:

If the Culture can displace the air out of his lungs, or displace his brain out, then Culture would win.

But that's before Vegetto realizes what would happen and powers up a huge blast to wipe out the Culture galaxy and a few galaxies around it.
Air would probably not come into the mess because if they can survive in space, why would they need oxygen?

Note that I included brain in there too. Vegetto's still biological. Just wanted to point that out.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-24 12:53am

Still leaves em Effectorised plus theres Gridfire and I beleve than can be used on targets LYs away

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-24 01:01am

Pre-Crisis Superman is strong enough to

Ignite Suns with heat vision

Throw planets as volleyballs

PUNCH holes in time(screw going back...Yogi is taking the hard way...why travel back normally he can just punch a hole and fly through that)

Is a deus ex machnia(Whatever he needs...he has...doesn't matter, he has literally gained new defense on the spot and if he needs some piece of tech that no one else has...he'll just travel back to ancient Krypton or pull it out of the Fortress of Solitude...that'll turn all enemies into happy bunnies or something.)

Literally you're talking about pitting beings who follow some sense of logic in the universe against the improbablility drive.

Just Veggeto and Thor would be better...because at least then we can gauge powers and wouldn't have to deal with...if all else fails...I just will use my Super(insert power) to defeat the enemies and ward off Lois.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2003-01-24 01:23am

Superman can also go back and grab the Sword of Superman.

How powerful is the sword? It's was so powerful that he put it aside bcause he felt it made him TOO powerful. It supposedly put him one step before God.

Let's face it, Pre-crisis Superman is pretty much invincible.

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

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