These clones Suck. I wish I had something better.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2007-07-06 05:44pm

*POOF*

In a puff of sickeningly sulphuric smoke, a rather large bluish Genie appears before the imposing black robed figure in the throne room.

"Did I hear someone make a WISH?!" The blue man said.

"Yes, you did" replied Palpatine with an impish grin.

"Very well! Close yo' eyes, and think about the ultimate subject you'd like to have as a starting point for your cloooooooone Armeh!"

*POOF*

More smoke, and when it clears, a man lay where once the genie floated. clad entirely in full armor, Green in color with a golden visor covering his face.

"Excellent." Cackled the emporer gleefully.

...So if you could pick any NORMAL-ISH humanoid from any universe as a zero point for your clone army, Mr. Palpatine, who would YOU select? discuss also the possible implications of your choice. Feel free as well to analyze my choice of the Master Chief; I unfortunately do not have time to elaborate much, I'm afraid. But I'm anxious to see where you all take this little exercise!

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-07-06 06:30pm

Chardok wrote:Feel free as well to analyze my choice of the Master Chief; I unfortunately do not have time to elaborate much, I'm afraid. But I'm anxious to see where you all take this little exercise!

I wasn't aware lifting 6500 lbs was normalish.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-07-06 06:36pm

Daleks?

If that is ok then I choose them at their peak.

Lord of the Abyss · Post by **Lord of the Abyss** » 2007-07-06 06:37pm

Well, if the MC is within the bounds of "normalish" ( I assume the OP means no godlings, Qs or Mickey Finns by that ), then I'll go with Known Space Human Protectors, of my gene line. As long as whatever mental conditioning that makes them obey me is really good.

Lord of the Abyss · Post by **Lord of the Abyss** » 2007-07-06 06:38pm

Enigma wrote:Daleks? If that is ok then I choose them at their peak.

Daleks aren't humanoid. Time Lords, on the other hand, are, but I doubt they would come with a TARDIS.

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » 2007-07-06 06:42pm

Enigma wrote:Daleks? If that is ok then I choose them at their peak.

Screw that. Apparently I haven't been paying attention. Space marine? If not then the augmented mercs from Schlock mercenary (i.e. Kevin).

TC Pilot · Post by **TC Pilot** » 2007-07-06 06:43pm

Kir Kanos.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-07-06 06:48pm

Steve Rogers: Ultimate Captain America. Although that depends on whether the cloning process will carry over the effects of the supersoldier serum or not.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2007-07-06 07:03pm

General Schatten wrote:
Chardok wrote:Feel free as well to analyze my choice of the Master Chief; I unfortunately do not have time to elaborate much, I'm afraid. But I'm anxious to see where you all take this little exercise!
I wasn't aware lifting 6500 lbs was normalish.

Well, he can't lift that much sans Armor, right? I mean, we're not cloning armor here, just the dude. Can he friggin lift that much without armor?! I guess it would be the emporer's prerogative if he wanted to mass produce the armor, but that wouldn't exactly be practical for such a huge-normous army, would it?

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-07-06 07:04pm

Rambo.

Or

that guy from Die Hard, never saw the movies, but I hear he is the shit?

No, wait, CHUCK NORRIS.

Darth Ruinus · Post by **Darth Ruinus** » 2007-07-06 07:09pm

Chardok wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Chardok wrote:Feel free as well to analyze my choice of the Master Chief; I unfortunately do not have time to elaborate much, I'm afraid. But I'm anxious to see where you all take this little exercise!
I wasn't aware lifting 6500 lbs was normalish.
Well, he can't lift that much sans Armor, right? I mean, we're not cloning armor here, just the dude. Can he friggin lift that much without armor?! I guess it would be the emporer's prerogative if he wanted to mass produce the armor, but that wouldn't exactly be practical for such a huge-normous army, would it?

What is the differnece between Stormtrooper armor and Spartan armor? Besides the powered part, but I was under the impression the Arc Hammer was making powered armored stormtroopers or droids of some sort?

And even if Spartan armor is superior, fitting the Stormies (and the new clone army) with spartan armor wouldnt be that much of a cost for the Empire would it?

Sorry for the double post.

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2007-07-06 07:10pm

I'd clone Khhhhaaaannn!!!

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2007-07-06 07:13pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:
Chardok wrote:
General Schatten wrote: I wasn't aware lifting 6500 lbs was normalish.
Well, he can't lift that much sans Armor, right? I mean, we're not cloning armor here, just the dude. Can he friggin lift that much without armor?! I guess it would be the emporer's prerogative if he wanted to mass produce the armor, but that wouldn't exactly be practical for such a huge-normous army, would it?
What is the differnece between Stormtrooper armor and Spartan armor? Besides the powered part, but I was under the impression the Arc Hammer was making powered armored stormtroopers or droids of some sort?

And even if Spartan armor is superior, fitting the Stormies (and the new clone army) with spartan armor wouldnt be that much of a cost for the Empire would it?

Sorry for the double post.

Just seems to me that if it were practical, palpatine would have done it on a large scale. I mean, there are dark troopers which...I THINK are powered, but, I mean, this is for the front line grunts as well as the commanders and pilots and whatnot, so it really is more about the mane than the equipment he shows up with. I just think if john survived the SPARTANization process with little in the way of side effects (among only few others) then he should be preferable to Jango, as, IIRC, we don't see that Jango is extraordinarily smart, or strong, or fast, etc. John, OTOH....

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-07-06 08:07pm

Chardok wrote:
General Schatten wrote:
Chardok wrote:Feel free as well to analyze my choice of the Master Chief; I unfortunately do not have time to elaborate much, I'm afraid. But I'm anxious to see where you all take this little exercise!
I wasn't aware lifting 6500 lbs was normalish.
Well, he can't lift that much sans Armor, right? I mean, we're not cloning armor here, just the dude. Can he friggin lift that much without armor?! I guess it would be the emporer's prerogative if he wanted to mass produce the armor, but that wouldn't exactly be practical for such a huge-normous army, would it?

He easily lifts Warthogs, that doesn't sound like the limits of his armour. If MC is normalish, then so are Space Marines.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2007-07-06 08:09pm

Chardok wrote:Just seems to me that if it were practical, palpatine would have done it on a large scale. I mean, there are dark troopers which...I THINK are powered, but, I mean, this is for the front line grunts as well as the commanders and pilots and whatnot, so it really is more about the mane than the equipment he shows up with. I just think if john survived the SPARTANization process with little in the way of side effects (among only few others) then he should be preferable to Jango, as, IIRC, we don't see that Jango is extraordinarily smart, or strong, or fast, etc. John, OTOH....

Phase III are Powered Armour, but only one was made before the Arc Hammer, the Darktrooper production facilities, the schematics, and the only prototype were destroyed by Katarn

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2007-07-06 08:11pm

DocHorror wrote:I'd clone Khhhhaaaannn!!!

...the guy who couldn't even think in three dimensions. Yeah, that's going to make a supersoldier.

Until we have a reasonably solid definition of what is considered normal-ISH for the purposes of this thread I'm seconding Steve Rogers on the condition that the supersoldier serum enhancements carry over.

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2007-07-06 08:38pm

If I were to clone redshirts, does the ability for only one of them being able to succumb to the same type of death carry over? If so, there ya go. Invincible army after the first shot.

Elaro · Post by **Elaro** » 2007-07-06 09:05pm

For the "Master Chief" choice, I understand he was selected because he had awesome genes. IIRC, he could beat anyone at chess, king of the hill and some kind of dodgeball.

Since he's taken, I think I may have to go with Samus Aran. Or something.

DrMckay · Post by **DrMckay** » 2007-07-06 10:07pm

How about a million lightsaber-wielding, immortal-unless you-chop-off-their-heads Duncan Mac Leods?

or Ronald Spiers from Band of Brothers. Pure BAMF.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2007-07-07 01:00am

Chardok wrote:...So if you could pick any NORMAL-ISH humanoid from any universe as a zero point for your clone army, Mr. Palpatine, who would YOU select? discuss also the possible implications of your choice.

Adeptus Astares, Salamanders Legion.

If you're looking for an elite shock troopers and special force template, look no further. When you consider the insane lethality that is a typical 40k battlefield and then consider that a Space Marine can survive that for a millenia or more, you begin to realize how insanely tough they are. These guys are going to be incredibly effective, easily produced (at least with proper SW tech) and can be easily molded.

I'd say Salamanders because they're the only non-Smurfamarine Legion that still have all the modifications working and are still sane.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-07-08 05:46pm

Big Boss from 'Metal Gear'-- it worked for FOXHOUND, didn't it?

DocHorror wrote:I'd clone Khhhhaaaannn!!!

Bad idea-- Khan would undoubtably try to overthrow Palpatine and name himself emperor.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2007-07-08 07:16pm

A load of Frank Castles would rule. Excellent military and one-man-war-machine record.

If we're going to suspend the "normal-ish" rules, imagine the sheer wankathon that would be an army full of clones of the God Emperor of Man.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2007-07-08 10:57pm

Rye wrote:A load of Frank Castles would rule. Excellent military and one-man-war-machine record.

If we're going to suspend the "normal-ish" rules, imagine the sheer wankathon that would be an army full of clones of the God Emperor of Man.

aren't those called Grey Knights?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2007-07-08 10:59pm

General Schatten wrote:He easily lifts Warthogs, that doesn't sound like the limits of his armour. If MC is normalish, then so are Space Marines.

Canonically, Spartans aren't strong enough to effortlessly flip vehicles as they can in-game, even in their armor. They are, nonetheless, far stronger than normal humans; they can dent the armor plating of Mark I MJOLNIR battle armor with their bare hands, for example.

Master Chief still might make a pretty good clone template, even though most of his physical characteristics as a Spartan are due to augmentation and training, not biology. He is intelligent, driven, and physially quite healthy (otherwise, he wouldn't have survived the final phase of his training).

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-07-09 03:42am

Fehdman Kassad, the FORCE colonel, Butcher of Bresia, Shrike Pilgrim, and Warlord of Mars from the Hyperion Cantos.

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