Trek and 40K Crossover Scenario

Lord Anubis · Post by **Lord Anubis** » 2007-07-26 12:19am

Now we have Star Trek as of season seven of DS9, Sisko does not enter the Wormhole to stay. He gets shot out of it the day after defeating Dukat and the Pai Wraiths. All is well, peace is reigning throughout the Alpha Quadrant. A terrible mining accident causes that Picard clone to die in a most horrible way, so no ST Nemesis.

All of a sudden the wormhole opens and ships of an unimaginable size and power began to emerge. Nearly 200 IoM warships including a grand total of 30 Space Marine warships which contain a group of eight Battle Barges from several different chapters. An Admech explorer group, plus construction transports. Not to mention there are several dozen transport ships containing regiments of IG.

Basically its a small World Crusade fleet. They had been heading out when all of a sudden a Warp Storm of unbridled power had tossed them through the dimensions and they got shot out of the Bajoran wormhole.

Now by act of ROB the Warp in the ST galaxy is completely dormant, its so calm that it contains no impediments to travel. Of course this could change over time since the Bajoran wormhole now has two exit points, one in the Gamma Quadrant and the other in the Imperium of Mankind.

The IoM Fleet, plus extras [namely the Space Marines] get messages via their Chaplains and Librarians that the Emperor has done this and that they are to construct bases within the ST galaxy.

Now say they manage to acquire, either through force or chance that the system nearby is empty of sentient life, how quickly could they get shipyards, industry, bases and orbital defenses online if the Admech decided to take out all teh stops and work as quickly as they possibly could.

Plus what would the reaction be from Starfleet, Federation Council, Klingon's, Cardassians, Romulans, and anyone else who has the balls to go a knocking in the newest system belonging to the IoM?

I can see the IoM either deciding that as long as the filthy Xeno's remain outside of their system they'll get to live for now or the IoM decides that now is the perfect opportunity to use the various worlds for testbeds on how to properly conduct an Exterminatus operation. They'd have plenty of time to perfect the technique without worrying about being destroyed by enemy forces that can actually harm them.

Though I wonder what the reaction would be to the fact that since the Bajoran Wormhole now has a second terminus, one leading to a galaxy that has so much pain and suffering not to mention foes that could literally assrape the Borg Collective if they felt like it.

Now I would predict that the IoM would decide to heavily fortify both sides of the wormhole, the side in the 40K galaxy could quickly be secured by moving a few Ramillies class Star Forts into location, the side in the ST galaxy would require more time of course.

So what do you think would happen with the IoM forces now in the ST galaxy. To make things interesting there is the possibility of Chaos, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Necron, Orks, and maybe even Nids showing up in the story. Though Necron and Eldar are probably the least likely of all. Not to mention Tau have no chance in hell since they are no where close enough to the terminus to even attempt to get through it.

Tyranids may show up, not coming through the wormhole, but actually coming from outside the galaxy. They make the perfect Extragalactic threat to come bearing down on the ST galaxy. Though they may not show up for quite some time, at least long enough for the Federation to start to grasp the enormity of the threat their facing.

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2007-07-26 02:38am

One ship of the line from any 40k race could defeat every warship in the Alpha Quadrant.

At once.

Get the picture?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2007-07-26 02:47am

Feil wrote:One ship of the line from any 40k race could defeat every warship in the Alpha Quadrant.

At once.

Get the picture?

Not quite, they've got a long reload time

Feil · Post by **Feil** » 2007-07-26 02:59am

Won't take but a well-placed "battery" round - laser cannon, missile launcher, or macro cannon - to kill a Trek ship, and at the ranges Trek ships fight, there'll be no missing. It would be a criminal waste of ordinance to waste a torpedo or a lance barrage. Save 'em for major population centers or something useful like that.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2007-07-26 03:16am

Where is that 'oh god, why!?' gif when you need it?

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2007-07-26 03:41am

Tadaa!

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-07-26 02:30pm

There's already a fanfic for this scenario, titled Elsewhen, and elsewhere. (A link to it was posted on the fanfic forum.) Basically, the Federation plays nice with the IoM, because it doesn't have a choice-- this way, at least the humans get to live. The Romulans view the IoM with dread because it's dominated by humans. (The Klingons and Ferengi don't show up in the fanfic, but I assume they'll also fear and hate the IoM.) The Dominion gets ass-raped by the appearance of a single battlebarge-- game over for the Jem'Hadar, the Vorta, and soon, the Founders.

Of course, since Klingons, Romulans, and Vulcans can breed with humans, they might be seen as abhumans instead of xeno, and live to serve the IoM-- as slaves. (Their choice in whether or not it's better to serve the IoM or to get ass-raped by it.)

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2007-07-26 03:28pm

I often day-dreamed of writting a cross-over story whereby Voyager goes through a worm hole into the 40k universe & comes across a space hulk. They beam over to investigate, while they're poking around the hulk a Inquisistion/Marine barge shows up & they teleport over to rescue the away team before they're slaughtered by orks/genestealers/chaos marines/necrons whatever. Cue red shirt deaths & other hijinks.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2007-07-26 04:38pm

Sidewinder wrote:Of course, since Klingons, Romulans, and Vulcans can breed with humans, they might be seen as abhumans instead of xeno, and live to serve the IoM-- as slaves. (Their choice in whether or not it's better to serve the IoM or to get ass-raped by it.)

Hmm, Klingon servitors, makes sense really

Jaevric · Post by **Jaevric** » 2007-07-26 04:45pm

Azazal wrote:Hmm, Klingon servitors, makes sense really

On the theory the techpriests wouldn't even need to lobotomize them?

As entertaining (and short) as a Klingon with bat'leth vs Space Marine with chainsword fight would be, I'd rather see the results the first time the Borg tried to assimilate a Battle Barge full of marines.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2007-07-26 05:14pm

Jaevric wrote:As entertaining (and short) as a Klingon with bat'leth vs Space Marine with chainsword fight would be, I'd rather see the results the first time the Borg tried to assimilate a Battle Barge full of marines.

Borg: "Resitance is futile"

Marine: "Correct" BAM! BAM! BAM!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-07-26 05:44pm

Mmm. Now if we could let this thread die a dignified death...

Of course, the necrons would seize or destroy the wormhole just as soon as they found out about it. That, or migrate through it to a warpless wonderland. Neither of which is necesserily good for anyone but the 'crons.

pieman3141 · Post by **pieman3141** » 2007-07-27 01:52am

I'm assuming there's women and men, right? Babies are necessary, after all...

From what I've read (Wiki and fluff), it's pretty vague as to just what/how the IoM uses women. With some novels, they're fighting beside men. With others, they take a more traditional stay-at-home role. Can anyone clarify this? (And I know the Space Marines are men-only due to some sort of gene thingy).

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-07-27 02:23am

pieman3141 wrote:I'm assuming there's women and men, right? Babies are necessary, after all...

From what I've read (Wiki and fluff), it's pretty vague as to just what/how the IoM uses women. With some novels, they're fighting beside men. With others, they take a more traditional stay-at-home role. Can anyone clarify this? (And I know the Space Marines are men-only due to some sort of gene thingy).

The IoM is more feudalism in space than facism in space (it aspires towards facism). Each planet has its own culture, although deviating beyond certain acceptable standards (denying the divinity of the Emperor, for example) will get you in trouble when the authorities come to call. So some worlds are sexist and others aren't, some have rigid caste and gender roles and others aren't. The IoM in general doesn't care about that.

Since these worlds are the source of the IoM's Imperial Guard troops, it varies from planet to planet. Some have mixed gender regiments, some have gender segregated regiments, and some have only men serving in the military. The Ecclesiarchy is forbidden from having men under arms, so it has the Sororitas as its official fighting force (can you say loophole) as well as having IG veterans in the clergy and sponsoring religiously minded local militia (Frater Militia or "Holy Terrors"). The Marines are male only by the design of the implants.

In short, gender balance and attitudes depend on where in the IoM the people in question are from.

Falkenhayn · Post by **Falkenhayn** » 2007-07-27 02:45am

pieman3141 wrote:
From what I've read (Wiki and fluff), it's pretty vague as to just what/how the IoM uses women. With some novels, they're fighting beside men. With others, they take a more traditional stay-at-home role. Can anyone clarify this? (And I know the Space Marines are men-only due to some sort of gene thingy).

Ciaphas Cain states that only about 10% of Guard Regiments are either wholly female or sex-integrated. Digging up the page reference is going to be a challenge, but I'll find it. It may come in one of Amberley Vale's footnotes.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2007-07-27 11:36am

pieman3141 wrote:I'm assuming there's women and men, right? Babies are necessary, after all...

From what I've read (Wiki and fluff), it's pretty vague as to just what/how the IoM uses women. With some novels, they're fighting beside men. With others, they take a more traditional stay-at-home role. Can anyone clarify this? (And I know the Space Marines are men-only due to some sort of gene thingy).

The Imperium spans most of the Milky Way Galaxy and controls thousands of inhabited worlds. Those worlds have cultural differences. Some of them enforce traditional gender roles similar to ours today; others don't. There is no overall Imperial policy toward women in the military (although, the existence of the Adeptus Sororitas shows that the Imperium is quite tolerant of warrior women).

Lord Anubis · Post by **Lord Anubis** » 2007-07-27 02:03pm

Thanks for all the info, it should come in handy.

Now the question is just how quickly could the Admech construct a new series of bases on the worlds that they take over in the ST galaxy. Assume that they pulled out all the stops and worked as quickly as they possibly could to get things up and running.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-07-27 02:42pm

Jaevric wrote:
Azazal wrote:Hmm, Klingon servitors, makes sense really
On the theory the techpriests wouldn't even need to lobotomize them?

As entertaining (and short) as a Klingon with bat'leth vs Space Marine with chainsword fight would be, I'd rather see the results the first time the Borg tried to assimilate a Battle Barge full of marines.

Don't Gun-Servitors and Combat-Servitors exist? So a Klingon servitor would have his arms replaced with either heavy weaponry or close quarters combat weaponry, and wouldn't even be able to hold a bat'leth-- of course, when you have heavy stubbers or a chainfists instead of hands, who needs a bat'leth?

As for the Borg, I'm more curious what would the Adeptus Mechanicus would think of a hostile force of de facto servitors.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2007-07-27 02:49pm

Lord Anubis wrote:Thanks for all the info, it should come in handy.

Now the question is just how quickly could the Admech construct a new series of bases on the worlds that they take over in the ST galaxy. Assume that they pulled out all the stops and worked as quickly as they possibly could to get things up and running.

Do they have foundries, and plans for their entire network of material acquistion and production in their data holders?

If not, they will be fucked eventually and will have to use the existing technology with a few upgrades from their technological know how and then go from there. Who knows how many centuries it will take them to establish the needed factories and collectors.

As is, this whole thing is an exercise in stupidity except to go "After 40K has assraped everyone, what do they do with a galaxy all to themselves?"

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2007-07-27 03:38pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Do they have foundries, and plans for their entire network of material acquistion and production in their data holders?

Given that there is an Adeptus Mechanicus explorer fleet and construction vessels hitching along for the ride, I would say yes. And considering the rough and ready nature of Imperial tech anyway, it's not going to matter too much if it takes a while to get it all off the ground anyway.

Lost Soal · Post by **Lost Soal** » 2007-07-28 07:47pm

First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

The character and disposition of the fleet commander will largely dictate weather they cleanse DS9 and empty the computer database or try something a little more diplomatic to get it.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2007-07-28 07:53pm

Lost Soal wrote:First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

The character and disposition of the fleet commander will largely dictate weather they cleanse DS9 and empty the computer database or try something a little more diplomatic to get it.

If its a small crusade fleet with Explorator/Ad Mech support, in theory its got enough Astropaths and technology to build some local nav-beacon stations etc.

Enough for local work anyway.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-07-28 08:10pm

white_rabbit wrote:
Lost Soal wrote:First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

The character and disposition of the fleet commander will largely dictate weather they cleanse DS9 and empty the computer database or try something a little more diplomatic to get it.
If its a small crusade fleet with Explorator/Ad Mech support, in theory its got enough Astropaths and technology to build some local nav-beacon stations etc.

Enough for local work anyway.

I don't see why the Astronomicon would be needed. The 3rd millenium is well before the Age of Strife, and Humanity never had problems navigating the Warp prior to Chaos getting all uppity.

Master of Cards · Post by **Master of Cards** » 2007-07-28 08:18pm

Falkenhayn wrote:
pieman3141 wrote:
From what I've read (Wiki and fluff), it's pretty vague as to just what/how the IoM uses women. With some novels, they're fighting beside men. With others, they take a more traditional stay-at-home role. Can anyone clarify this? (And I know the Space Marines are men-only due to some sort of gene thingy).
Ciaphas Cain states that only about 10% of Guard Regiments are either wholly female or sex-integrated. Digging up the page reference is going to be a challenge, but I'll find it. It may come in one of Amberley Vale's footnotes.

I just read through that today. its the second book. Its 10% but most serve in single sex units. At least 5 named units aree mixed. But To the question, it depends on the planet, the time and what class the woman is.

Imperial Overlord · Post by **Imperial Overlord** » 2007-07-28 09:50pm

Lost Soal wrote:First they will need to acquire and adapt trek warp speed to their own ships else the IoM ships aren't going anywhere particularly fast, since without the Astronomican they cant chart their position.

An ordinary human can manage to average a little better than 1lightyear/day out of warp capable craft without being able to see the Astronomican in the 40th Millenium. With Navigators and a calmer Warp, the IoM should be able to get around just fine with their own tech.