Any space battle better than Endor?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-26 05:51pm

Battle of Endor was a good space battle scene.

So, is there another battle scene out there that is better than Endor's?

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2003-01-26 05:52pm

In SW?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-26 05:57pm

Darth Phoenix wrote:In SW?

In all visual sci-fi (SW, B5, Farscape, ST, etc, as long as it's been shown either on TV, movies, or videos).

Darth Phoenix · Post by **Darth Phoenix** » 2003-01-26 06:13pm

Humm...In ST a few of them good but not on the scale of Endor.
B5 space battles are quite good but most are very short.
Andromeda space battles were very slow for what i have seen.
Farscape had very cool and intense space battles.
Haven't seen Battlestar Galactica so can't say anything.
Can't remenber anymore Sci-fi shows right now.

The best candidates IMO are B5 or Farscape.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-26 07:40pm

Endor kicked ass because it looked really real- the stuff used was models, not CGI.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-26 07:46pm

Most Sci Fi space battles look incredibly fake. Parts of Endor do as well, such as the intital swarm of TIEs appearing out of nothing. But overall I would say its the best space battle I've seen.

DeadM · Post by **DeadM** » 2003-01-26 08:09pm

When i watched "Sacrifice of Angels" i expected a big battle, a nice big battle. What did i get? Two walls firing at each other, fighters moving here and there and then some ships going past a hole in the other wall.
The same with Nemesis, damn did that film disappointed me.
There aint many space battles who can compete with Endor, I dont think there are any other space battles that good.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-26 08:11pm

the battle of Coriana 6 in B5. Fucking awesome....

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-01-26 09:09pm

I still prefer the race through the trenches of the Death Star in ANH. Endor was still cool, though.

The space battle in EpIII had better blow them all away, though.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-01-26 09:25pm

Believe it or not, I think the best Trek battle I've ever seen was in a cut scene for a video game. It's the one where you're a Klingon officer. It was a really large-scale battle. There were a lot of ships. It was pretty cool, from what I remember.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2003-01-26 09:25pm

Durran Korr wrote:The space battle in EpIII had better blow them all away, though.

I concur. I expect to see at least several hundreds of fighters on screen at any given time during the battle, with massive amounts of capital ships blasting away at each other. I want it to make Endor look like crap. I want to see why Anakin was the best pilot the galaxy has ever seen in this battle. Have him do seemingly impossible feats in a fighter. Rack up his kill count to wings of fighters. Man, it would be great...

EDIT: Ah, yes, of course! We need to see the younger Rebel pilots from ANH! Gold Leader, I think, was the guy that told Luke his father was a great starfighter pilot. So these ANH pilots should all be Anakin's wingmen...that would be cool...and would tie in well to the OT.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-27 01:21am

Buck Rogers!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-27 01:59am

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:The space battle in EpIII had better blow them all away, though.
I concur. I expect to see at least several hundreds of fighters on screen at any given time during the battle, with massive amounts of capital ships blasting away at each other. I want it to make Endor look like crap. I want to see why Anakin was the best pilot the galaxy has ever seen in this battle. Have him do seemingly impossible feats in a fighter. Rack up his kill count to wings of fighters. Man, it would be great...

EDIT: Ah, yes, of course! We need to see the younger Rebel pilots from ANH! Gold Leader, I think, was the guy that told Luke his father was a great starfighter pilot. So these ANH pilots should all be Anakin's wingmen...that would be cool...and would tie in well to the OT.

Most of the ANH pilots where little older then Luke. Only a few if any could have been around to see Anakin flying first hand in the Clone wars.

Captain Kruger · Post by **Captain Kruger** » 2003-01-27 02:01am

jaeger115 wrote:the battle of Coriana 6 in B5. Fucking awesome....

That's exactly what I was going to say. That was the first and only battle that I thought beat Endor. Yeah, it was kinda short, but far more intense than Endor.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-01-27 02:07am

Darth Phoenix wrote:Haven't seen Battlestar Galactica so can't say anything.

Almost all of Battlestar Galactica's battles have been focused around the Vipers, so you typically don't see much. There was one case of the Galactica using some sort of beam-cannon on a Cylon Basestar (and blowing it to hell, IIRC) but again, most of their battles are one-on-one.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-27 03:28am

I don't think anything tops the battle of Endor. The reason it's so great, IMO, is that not only is it big, long, and hard (

), but it's also extremely well-directed, so that you understand precisely what's going on in each shot. Even as a child, I knew what was going on in the battle, and could follow the story of the battle through its different stages.
Compare this to wimpy ST battles, or confusing aerial battles such as in ID4...that one looked pretty neat, but it was just chaos everywhere, it didn't provide any real reason for the chosen shots. Plus, it had Harry Connick, Jr.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-01-27 11:17am

The Wrath of Khan space battles are easily my favorite. Gritty, personal, evely matched. Very well done. A space battle does not have to be hurried along or have the enemy ship pounded to scrap in a matter of seconds. I want a well drawn out battle with character interaction.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-27 11:28am

Alyeska wrote:The Wrath of Khan space battles are easily my favorite. Gritty, personal, evely matched. Very well done. A space battle does not have to be hurried along or have the enemy ship pounded to scrap in a matter of seconds. I want a well drawn out battle with character interaction.

Yeah! I also liked the Battle of Coriana 6 in B5, and I liked the SoA battle more than the other posters did, but I think that the best sci-fi battle was Endor. Incidentally, I'm moving this to "Other Sci-Fi," so people who are not "warsies" can talk about what their favorite battles are, too.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-27 11:31am

Yes! The battle in Wrath of Khan kicked ass!

"We're losing shields!"
"Restore them!"
"We CAN'T!"

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-27 11:56am

I forget the name (maybe Shep can help out) but the battle in which Capt. Jefferson Clay lost his life valiantly deserves a mention. A single corvette against a whole Indie fleet. Yeesh!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-01-27 11:59am

Coriana 6 was one of the best but for sheer drama and intensity the battle where the shadows strut their stuff against the Narn was great as well because you really could feel the tension and the hoplessness of the situation. The music was also particularly effective.

Here's a dark horse candidate, The Ent Nil's battle with the Romulan warbird in BoT. An entire episode dedicated to space combat, exceedingly rare in Trek. It had dramatic tension and a good opponent in the Romulan COmmander, Mark Leonard making his first but certainly not last appearance in Trek.

TheDarkOne · Post by **TheDarkOne** » 2003-01-27 12:40pm

Some anime's I've seen have had pretty good space battles, but I think endor is still the best.

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-01-27 01:09pm

The Final battle in Last Starfighter is good and has one of the best deth lines

"Shields gone,wepons gone,helm control gone ,the moons gravity has captured us Captain what are we going to do??"

"We Die"

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-01-27 01:24pm

The dogfighting and fleet battles in Char's Counterattack are fast, explosive, and devastating. Ditto for the asteroid drops.

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2003-01-27 01:45pm

S:AAB

The Angriest Angel: granted it is only a Dogfight. But the will power of McQueen going through the surgeory, the Advanced fighter that has taken out squadrons before, and the classical music in the back ground. It does not get much better than that.