SG: Atlantis Season Premiere

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2007-09-28 10:02pm

It's on, folks. Try to keep spoilers to a minimum.

Although the teaser trailers were cute, with the characters all shown peacefully resting. "So-&-So is resting up, because in a few hours it's going to get tense."

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2007-09-28 10:22pm

So... are they wanting to get rid of Weir, or what?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-09-28 10:23pm

LadyTevar wrote:So... are they wanting to get rid of Weir, or what?

If they don't pull out some miracle cure at the last minute.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-09-28 11:01pm

Bah. Replicator nanites. Although hopefully the next episode will be somewhat more interesting with less technobabble involved . . .

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2007-09-28 11:02pm

General Zod wrote:Bah. Replicator nanites. Although hopefully the next episode will be somewhat more interesting with less technobabble involved . . .

"Up for a heist?"

yea, I think less Technobabble.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2007-09-28 11:26pm

Pretty meh so far. Wonder if Weir will side with the replicators in the end. Go the way of Ford as a badguy that just drops off the face of the plot later on.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2007-09-28 11:52pm

At least the technobabble wasn't pure nonsense.

I actually thought it was a pretty good premiere, and continued on from the season three finale nicely. I like how the show continues its increasing progression of things-that-go-wrong in dangerous situations. I agree that saving Wier was a little DEM, but then again it always is with set ups like that.

It's mental that Sci Fi honestly expects people to sit through Flash Gordon just to watch SGA, though, even with the promise of BSG: Razor snippets...

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2007-09-28 11:54pm

I am fucking sick and tired of "to be continued"! It's bad enough every series has to have a season cliffhanger, and with Sci-Fi that means two cliffhangers per year. Now they have a three part episode with no warning in the Guide. If they'd at least noted it I could have saved it for next week and had a nice three hours. Now I have to wait, and by that time the tension will be broken.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2007-09-29 12:34am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:At least the technobabble wasn't pure nonsense.

It all seemed rather ham-fisted and forced though. Didn't flow naturally at all without a host of artificial problems to add on top of what was already going wrong.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2007-09-29 02:17am

Well those mini-jumper drones have some non-trivial ability to fragment asteriods.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2007-09-29 04:02am

It looks to me like Weir will be kept by the replicators so they can 'understand humanity' or some crap like that.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-09-29 03:24pm

I'd rather hope that Weir's replicator-ness allows them to make peace with the machines. Because that's a hell of a lot more plausible than Earth finally defeating another uber-race.

I didn't think it was a DEM at all - people wheel that phrase out too much. A DEM snap-resolves a plot. This introduces new problems as it solves them, regarding Weir's character and self confiedence, the way Sheppard regards her now, the way Earth will react not only to a cyborg, but to a potential secuirty risk, the question of whether she'll exibit any new abilities, the possibility that they'll now be able to know what Weir's up to...

Luzifer's right hand · Post by **Luzifer's right hand** » 2007-09-29 05:39pm

A space-capable city which can not hold it's atmosphere without shields?

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2007-09-29 08:14pm

Luzifer's right hand wrote:A space-capable city which can not hold it's atmosphere without shields?

Yeah it was said back as early as season 1 that Atlantis is actually rather fragile without both the city shield and inertial dampeners. Of course with 3 ZPM's they have enough power to play that way if they want to. I mean the city is supposed to BE a city...on planets. Not a spaceship for long periods of time.

And I'd give this episode 3/5. Some good bits, but the angst from Sheppard at not having McKay tell him exactly what he is doing at every point when time is UTTERLY fucking critical really annoyed me.
So did the whole Weir subplot frankly.
And a lot of the minor technical points they screwed around with.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2007-09-29 08:55pm

oh man I can't believe i completely forgot about the season premier. I am actually real mad at myself. Do we know right now if this Season takes place before or after the upcoming SG-1 movies?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-09-29 09:56pm

Tychu wrote:oh man I can't believe i completely forgot about the season premier. I am actually real mad at myself. Do we know right now if this Season takes place before or after the upcoming SG-1 movies?

Due to the whole Carter thing, they've maintained that "Atlantis and SG-1 do not necessarily have concurrent timelines" or something to that effect. To my knowledge they've never stated one way or the other. I'm guessing Carter isn't going to be a full-bird colonel in the movies, so that would necessitate that this season of Atlantis taking place after the movies.

PREDATOR490 · Post by **PREDATOR490** » 2007-09-29 10:56pm

Didnt like this episode much, all it managed to achieve was lots of things going wrong but every time its getting fixed. The concept is certainly interesting and was good when introduced in SGA but now it seems to be happening all the time. Once you do that it no longer has much of an effect and the situation with Carter just irked me. I get they are attempting to shoe horn her into the series but she had no contribution in this episode at all.

The end point was completely stupid. They want to try and heist a Replicator planet... the one they apparantly nuked and can send another doom sat to rape Atlantis again. That pretty much gave away this season is going to be more of the Replicators being marked as a super threat but we will hardly see them except at the 2 parter episodes.
Just waiting for the point where the Replicators start saying "Resistance is Futile".

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2007-09-30 01:46am

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:
Tychu wrote:oh man I can't believe i completely forgot about the season premier. I am actually real mad at myself. Do we know right now if this Season takes place before or after the upcoming SG-1 movies?
Due to the whole Carter thing, they've maintained that "Atlantis and SG-1 do not necessarily have concurrent timelines" or something to that effect. To my knowledge they've never stated one way or the other. I'm guessing Carter isn't going to be a full-bird colonel in the movies, so that would necessitate that this season of Atlantis taking place after the movies.

Actually the latest season that place AFTER the movie...confrimed on gateworld if I remember...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-09-30 04:56am

PREDATOR490 wrote:The end point was completely stupid. They want to try and heist a Replicator planet... the one they apparantly nuked

And? Planets are big places. For once the writers aren't treating a planet as if it's a village clustered around a stargate. As far as we know, these guys are technologically equivalent to the Ancients - which means a cloaked jumper should be able to make it down there without being detected. They have a viable personnel scale weapon with which to hopefully defend themselves against the Asurans, and it's certain death if they don't try

Just waiting for the point where the Replicators start saying "Resistance is Futile".

So far, the Replicators have been just fine as antagonists, as far as I'm concerned. They took what, an hour, to get a retaliation capable of destroying Atlantis on the go? The Borg are irritating because they're incompetant, the Asurans seem quite effective, at least compared with the other Stargate aliens.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-09-30 02:21pm

NecronLord wrote:So far, the Replicators have been just fine as antagonists, as far as I'm concerned. They took what, an hour, to get a retaliation capable of destroying Atlantis on the go? The Borg are irritating because they're incompetant, the Asurans seem quite effective, at least compared with the other Stargate aliens.

I still like thw Wraith better, but I'm warming up to them a little bit. The one thing I really wish the writers would stop doing is stop calling them Replicators or Pegasus Replicators and just call them the Asurans.

DesertFly · Post by **DesertFly** » 2007-09-30 03:55pm

JME2 wrote:I still like thw Wraith better, but I'm warming up to them a little bit. The one thing I really wish the writers would stop doing is stop calling them Replicators or Pegasus Replicators and just call them the Asurans.

I didn't like the Wraith at all, so it was nice to see something more credible as a threat for our heroes. As for them constantly being referred to as "Replicators", you know that's not going to change.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-09-30 04:03pm

Dehumanise the enemy. They're not Asurans, they're replicators. They're not Germans, they're Huns.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2007-09-30 10:38pm

DesertFly wrote: I didn't like the Wraith at all, so it was nice to see something more credible as a threat for our heroes.

Seconded. I was never terribly impressed with the Wraith from the getgo and they've actaully only shown themselves to be less intimidating than the Goa'uld as time has gone on. Last season's "oh noes they're going after Earth" wasn't exactly a nail-biter, given the ancient outpost would have ass-raped the 2 ships they were sending, assuming they every got close (and we kind of knew they wouldn't).

I'm really wondering just how they're going to fuck up the Asgard gift in such a way that the massive knowledge base and technology jump they get from them will not be applied to Pegasus.

A bit more on topic, I think the thing that most bothered me (consistency wise) was the easy exit and entrance through the shield itself. Maybe I missed the part where they explained how that occured (I was doing something else at the time) but I found it odd that jumpers could re-enter the shield at will.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2007-09-30 11:50pm

CaptJodan wrote:I'm really wondering just how they're going to fuck up the Asgard gift in such a way that the massive knowledge base and technology jump they get from them will not be applied to Pegasus.

They really don't need to. It's not as if we can somehow magically reverse engineer every piece of Asgard tech in anything remotely resembling a short time-frame, if at all. Even Carter said in "Unending" that it would take years (and in fact it did take decades) to just look through the data, never mind actually use and implement any of it.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2007-10-01 03:28am

CaptJodan wrote:the ancient outpost would have ass-raped the 2 ships they were sending,

Assuming they didn't pick McKay's brains en-route and just melt the thing from orbit as soon as they dropped out of hyperspace... Or sit outsystem and huck asteroids at Earth until it runs out of drones... They were actually clever enough to do that last in The Seige as I recall...

I'm really wondering just how they're going to fuck up the Asgard gift in such a way that the massive knowledge base and technology jump they get from them will not be applied to Pegasus.

They don't really need to. The Asurans have all the knowledge of the Ancients, which at least in bredth if not depth in all areas, is at least the equal of that of the Asgard. What's more, they've the logistics to work with it, an educated population who can contribute to the generation of new ideas... you get the picture. Even with the knowledge of the Asgard, it's still quite easy to make Earth out to be the underdogs. That's not even counting that the Asurans don't die and are immensely superior to humans one-on-one too.

A bit more on topic, I think the thing that most bothered me (consistency wise) was the easy exit and entrance through the shield itself. Maybe I missed the part where they explained how that occured (I was doing something else at the time) but I found it odd that jumpers could re-enter the shield at will.

Why? I'm pretty sure we see a jumper fly in through the shield in opening shot of the pilot. They have some kind of shield frequency modulator that lets them do that.