Elemental vs. DarkTrooper or SD-10 plus more

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-30 03:24am

OK, here is a bunch of Btech vs. SW scenarios:

1) Elemental vs. DarkTrooper

2) Elemental vs. SD-10 Wardroid

3) Atlas(or other 100ton mech) vs. X1-Viper Wardroid

4) Juggernaught vs. 100ton Mech

5) DarkTrooper vs. light mech(15-30tons)

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-30 11:21am

Chip on your shoulder HDS?

I can MAYBE see the DT vs. Light mech being won by the mech, same for the viper vs. Atlas (maybe...unlikely). Even level fight BT vs. SW would end badly for battletech--SW guns are just too strong.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-30 11:26am

Vejut wrote:Chip on your shoulder HDS?

Nope, not really, just testing various Btech combos vs. SW combos, I am not that knowledgable on Btech

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-30 11:27am

How about a SD-10 vs. an Atlas?

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-30 11:32am

Wait...crap, i said an Atlas might take a Viper? what the HELL was I thinking....

SD-10 is what I meant. Honestly, depends on what power you take for the Atlas (fall damage? GR power? and if so, from where?), and how powerful the SD-10's guns are: if they have any proton torps, it's all over--Megatons>BT armor. Even the blaster's might, depending on how heavy a heavy blaster is...

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-30 11:38am

Well an X1-Viper can likely take any punishment an Atlas would throw out energy wise, but it'd die from KE weapons.

Heavy blasters.. hmm, I dunno, the weapon on the Probot in TESB had a max setting of a 100-500MJ done on the estimates of it totally vaporizing a Wampa in the novellisation

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-30 11:42am

Still can't find the edit: to go into detail:
Going from falling damage calcs (IIRC, been a while since I saw them), a GR has about the same power as a WWII tank gun. It does 15 damage, and an Atlas has about 20-30 on it's front.
Going from the novels, you get 8 shots/ton for a GR (some of that will be ammo feed...), and a speed of Mach 2. (though I recall somewhere seeing it described as "Hypersonic"...no evidence though, can't find quote) This gives you a good bit more power than a modern tank gun.
Finally, using Battlespace (the space version of the game), fighter GR's are the same as mech GR's, and have a speed of ~34km/sec, giving it GJ firepower.
In any case, far less than what SW kicks out, and the Atlas flank speeds at 54km/h to boot.

Elemental has 10pt. armor, plus one for the man inside, carries a 3 hex range weapon (90m), does 3 dmg. also carries 2 SRMs (270m range, 2 dmg each), with two more reloads for the SRMs, and a light MG. runs 10km/h or so, jumps at an effective speed of 34km/h or so.

light mechs--depends on the mech--speed generally doesn't go above 130 km/h, as you sacrifice either guns or durability (once you get by the armor) to do so. (my favorite has 20 dmg capacity-one PPC, 2 lasers.) there are a few really fast mechs >170km/h, but they mount shit weapons, very rare. scouts mainly. armor protection hovers around 10 pts.

Expecting a mech to hit up a juggernaut (AT-AT first cousin), or X-1 Viper (which rips speeders out of the air...) is ridiculous.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2003-01-30 11:43am

5) DarkTrooper vs. light mech(15-30tons)

While the DT is a good weapon, they are fundamentally anti-infantry weapons. This isn't a fair matchup. Its like asking a soldier with a light sniper weapon to go head-to-head against an M1-Abrams.

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-30 11:44am

Thus why it's one of the few that BT might be able to win...

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2003-01-30 12:08pm

Although once you factor the assault cannon in... which has plasma shells and high-power detonite rockets...

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-30 06:07pm

totally vaporizing a Wampa in the novellisation

But it also called it a "laser" IIRC.

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2003-01-30 08:40pm

now if we convert the elementals to use starwars wepons.....

Vejut · Post by **Vejut** » 2003-01-30 08:44pm

Assuming it can even be done (probably be easier just to design a new suit from the ground up), we can start kicking space marine ass...

Lt. Nebfer · Post by **Lt. Nebfer** » 2003-01-30 08:48pm

i wassent saying if it was posibal the some how thy hade them is sted of the "regular wepons)

ERsmall laser a light blaster
SRM 2 a mini proton torp luncher or a cuncushon missile luncher
MG repeter(is this a mg type wepon or is it an enrgey one)?

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-30 11:49pm

The elemental mounts a .50 caliber machine gun under its claw, if that's what you're referring to.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-31 02:03am

white_rabbit wrote:But it also called it a "laser" IIRC.

This is older than the book that has the oldest arguments written down in it.