FDF vs. Clans

[The Yosemite Bear]

Orbiting over a world a Clan Dropship has found suprising resistance below, a mere Merccinary Hover tank force has destroyed a Squadron of Aerospace Fighter's the second they came over the Horizon to observe the Planatary Capital that these Mercinaries are defending.

Yup 4 Platyoons of Hammer's Best with Artillery, etc.

What is the MINIMUM clan forces you would bid to take on this force.

[Darik Sdair]

As a Clanner, four platoons of hovertanks would lead me to bid a force of about Binary strength or less; the Clans generally equate one 'mech or BA point as the equal of two tanks. So, 4x4=16/2=8 point-equivalents. Its likely that the opening bid would be for a Binary-strength unit, and if two or more commanders were competing for the right to attack, you'd see a much smaller force attack.

[RayCav of ASVS]

Orbiting over a world a Clan Dropship has found suprising resistance below, a mere Merccinary Hover tank force has destroyed a Squadron of Aerospace Fighter's the second they came over the Horizon to observe the Planatary Capital that these Mercinaries are defending.

Yup 4 Platyoons of Hammer's Best with Artillery, etc.

What is the MINIMUM clan forces you would bid to take on this force.

YUO = FAGGOT, we already discussed this!

[Pablo Sanchez]

I would honorably commit suicide to avoid the mission, because those tanks are too tough for me to take on. So is a T-72, but that's a whole other story...

[RayCav of ASVS]

I would honorably commit suicide to avoid the mission, because those tanks are too tough for me to take on. So is a T-72, but that's a whole other story...

Pablo, we've already talked about this on ASVS...that's a very, very, very dangerous thing to say around me....

[Pablo Sanchez]

Pablo, we've already talked about this on ASVS...that's a very, very, very dangerous thing to say around me....

That would be why I said it. Just be glad I didn't go with my first choice of a T-55.

[Darik Sdair]

So is a T-72, but that's a whole other story...

m'kay, since when does the 125mm gun on a T-72 deliver gigajoule-level energy to its target at ranges up to and beyond 300 km?

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As for the Hammer's stuff, I'll confess that because I don't really know anything about the universe, I can't draw comparisons.

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In the absence of the pervasive electronic warfare and jamming in BT land warfare, BT weapons whip the bejesus out of quite a few potential adversaries.

[The Yosemite Bear]

As a Clanner, four platoons of hovertanks would lead me to bid a force of about Binary strength or less; the Clans generally equate one 'mech or BA point as the equal of two tanks. So, 4x4=16/2=8 point-equivalents. Its likely that the opening bid would be for a Binary-strength unit, and if two or more commanders were competing for the right to attack, you'd see a much smaller force attack.

You are aware that a Hammer's Slammer's Hovertank out wieghs a Btech Assult Mech by two to one, can shoot down Objects from Orbit, and it's main gun Weapontry fire's several times a Turn (about Twice a second on average, 6 seconds in a turn), Each round doung more damage then a Clan ERPPC. Right.

Not to mention the 20mm rapid fire gatling is an anti-missile weapon

[Darik Sdair]

You are aware that a Hammer's Slammer's Hovertank out wieghs a Btech Assult Mech by two to one, can shoot down Objects from Orbit, and it's main gun Weapontry fire's several times a Turn (about Twice a second on average, 6 seconds in a turn), Each round doung more damage then a Clan ERPPC. Right.

Not to mention the 20mm rapid fire gatling is an anti-missile weapon

The question was "what forces would the Clans bid," not "what forces should the Clans bid in order to have a hope of winning."

I have no doubt, based on your comments, that the hovertanks would beat the bejesus out of the Clan machines.

[Steve]

DIE AND ROT IN HELL YOU COMMUNISTIC EUGENICIST BIGOTED CLANNER PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

*looks around*

What? I told you I had a pathological hatred of the Clans!

[The Yosemite Bear]

Ahh but the Clans already knew these were not "normal" Hovertanks (They killed 6 clan Aerospace fighter's in orbit, just for poking their heads on the wrong side of the map.

[Darik Sdair]

Ahh but the Clans already knew these were not "normal" Hovertanks (They killed 6 clan Aerospace fighter's in orbit, just for poking their heads on the wrong side of the map.

If that's the case, I believe the "Superweapons Clause" of Zellbrigen comes into effect, and the bidding process is suspended entirely. Consequently, the question now becomes not "how many would they bid" to "how many did they bring?"

[The Yosemite Bear]

Yeah 200 ton tanks with Ultra Naval PPC's would kinda be scary.

[Pablo Sanchez]

In the absence of the pervasive electronic warfare and jamming in BT land warfare, BT weapons whip the bejesus out of quite a few potential adversaries.

If the cause is jamming, then how is it that a AC10 has a range of under 500 meters, while LRMs can hit things at more than a kilometer? Does the jamming selectively target different weapons? Does each weapon on the mech use a different targetting sensor, and some are more susceptible to jamming than others?

[Steve]

In the absence of the pervasive electronic warfare and jamming in BT land warfare, BT weapons whip the bejesus out of quite a few potential adversaries.

If the cause is jamming, then how is it that a AC10 has a range of under 500 meters, while LRMs can hit things at more than a kilometer? Does the jamming selectively target different weapons? Does each weapon on the mech use a different targetting sensor, and some are more susceptible to jamming than others?

What's interesting is that in the rules of the BTech RPG, the AC/10 has a max range of 1.5KM instead of 450m.

That, and in AeroTech, it has a range of 7.5km (IIRC, AeroTech map hexes are equal to 500m).

Sometimes BTech can be less consistant than Star Trek, I swear. Fortunately our storyline consistancy more than makes up for it.

[Pablo Sanchez]

What's interesting is that in the rules of the BTech RPG, the AC/10 has a max range of 1.5KM instead of 450m.

That, and in AeroTech, it has a range of 7.5km (IIRC, AeroTech map hexes are equal to 500m).

Well, we're talking about Battletech.

Sometimes BTech can be less consistant than Star Trek, I swear. Fortunately our storyline consistancy more than makes up for it.

But story continuity is less useful in the wargame.

[RayCav of ASVS]

So is a T-72, but that's a whole other story...

m'kay, since when does the 125mm gun on a T-72 deliver gigajoule-level energy to its target at ranges up to and beyond 300 km?

Since when did BTech weapons go beyond ONE km? And please don't tell me this is in the absence of EM jamming

[Darik Sdair]

In the absence of the pervasive electronic warfare and jamming in BT land warfare, BT weapons whip the bejesus out of quite a few potential adversaries.

If the cause is jamming, then how is it that a AC10 has a range of under 500 meters, while LRMs can hit things at more than a kilometer? Does the jamming selectively target different weapons? Does each weapon on the mech use a different targetting sensor, and some are more susceptible to jamming than others?

What's interesting is that in the rules of the BTech RPG, the AC/10 has a max range of 1.5KM instead of 450m.

That, and in AeroTech, it has a range of 7.5km (IIRC, AeroTech map hexes are equal to 500m).

Sometimes BTech can be less consistant than Star Trek, I swear. Fortunately our storyline consistancy more than makes up for it.

Actually, Steve, AT map hexes are 17km across in the most recent version.

Anyway, regardless of which source you go with (MechWarrior or AT2 - personally I go with AT2 because its a newer source), when you eliminate the heavy EW environment of BattleTech land warfare, the ranges dramatically increase.

Not to mention, and I reiterate, the sheer destructive power of the weapons (84 GJ gauss rifle)

[Darik Sdair]

So is a T-72, but that's a whole other story...

m'kay, since when does the 125mm gun on a T-72 deliver gigajoule-level energy to its target at ranges up to and beyond 300 km?

Since when did BTech weapons go beyond ONE km? And please don't tell me this is in the absence of EM jamming

BT weapons don't go beyond one KM... but only in land warfare against other BT units. A small laser has a "true" range of 51 KM (probably a little less in atmosphere) according to the unimpaired ranges in AT2

[RayCav of ASVS]

m'kay, since when does the 125mm gun on a T-72 deliver gigajoule-level energy to its target at ranges up to and beyond 300 km?

Since when did BTech weapons go beyond ONE km? And please don't tell me this is in the absence of EM jamming

BT weapons don't go beyond one KM... but only in land warfare against other BT units. A small laser has a "true" range of 51 KM (probably a little less in atmosphere) according to the unimpaired ranges in AT2

That just sounds confusing