James Cameron Vs.

[The Yosemite Bear]

well since Cameron has a Battle Angel Alita live action in production...

the body is supposed to be simular to her "Motorball body" with more limitations. so how would it fare against?

T800- Ahhhnuld
TX
T1000
T800 Summer Glau

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[Winston Blake]

More information please, on what a Battle Angel's Motorball body is.

[Vendetta]

High speed combat cyber body. Designed for sustained speeds at least equivalent to a Formula 1 car, and engaging in hand to hand combat at those speeds. Alita's is one of the fastest motorball bodies (not the fastest).

Weapons are two blades protruding from the elbows (later reforged into one larger one), designed for and weilded with enough strength to cut through armoured cyborg bodies.

It's the lowest spec combat body Alita uses in any of the Battle Angel series.

I think the speed she moves at would be a problem for most Terminators, the T1000 couldn't keep up with a civilian motorbike on foot, whereas Motorball takes place at Formula 1 speeds, they'd be hit before they know what's happening.

The T1000 would have the best chance, because none of the Motorball body's weapons could inflict lasting damage on it, she'd have to subdue it somehow and take it somewhere to melt it down.

[DaveJB]

The T-X might have some chance if its energy weapons have the range and accuracy to do a fast takedown of Alita, but that's a big if. Frankly, I wouldn't bet on it. If the weapons don't have the accuracy needed, then the T-X will get ripped apart the moment Alita gets near it.

Either version of the T-800 would die horribly.

[Ford Prefect]

Bear, how much Panzer Kunst has she remembered by this point? I suppose she'd be limited to what she knew while she was packing the Motorball body in the story?

High speed combat cyber body. Designed for sustained speeds at least equivalent to a Formula 1 car, and engaging in hand to hand combat at those speeds. Alita's is one of the fastest motorball bodies (not the fastest).

I'm not really sure Formula 1 speeds would be sufficient for getting over that big loop in the climatic race before her showdown with Jashugan, especially given how poor the aerodynamics of most motorballers are. It's a safe lower-limit, in any case, especially since I can't safely say 'oh, she can pull off her supersonic strikes'.

[Shroom Man 777]

Supersonic strikes? Those might be enough to reduce the T-1000 into an incoherent gloop of goop if sustained over prolonged periods. Kinetic trauma does damage it - to some extent.

[Ford Prefect]

Supersonic strikes? Those might be enough to reduce the T-1000 into an incoherent gloop of goop if sustained over prolonged periods. Kinetic trauma does damage it - to some extent.

The body she's using may not actually be capable of it. It's pretty much standard on her later bodies (one of her attacks in Last Order is basically 'making a supersonic punch more sonic boomy'), but the Motorball body isn't the Imaginos. There's some convoluted reasoning that would make her capable of it, but it's boring.

This is why I asked Bear what Panzer Kunst she can remember. There is a technique for blowing up all four of a person's limbs at once, but she didn't actually know how to do that during the pooint of the story where she was playing Motorball. That said, she does know how to do the Hertza Haeon, however; stuff which gets hit by that explodes. Analysis of a target hit by the Hertza Haeon showed that it had been superheated in the process, meaning that it might be effective against the 1000.

Also, Shroomy, you should read Battle Angel Alita. I know you'd love it.

[Vendetta]

Analysis of a target hit by the Hertza Haeon showed that it had been superheated in the process, meaning that it might be effective against the 1000.

True, the Herza Haeon's a localised effect though, and it seems to be mostly designed for mincing the organic bits of a cyborg through any armour they might be wearing, (When she used it on Peshkavus his brain exploded but all his armour was intact and undamaged), so it probably won't work on the solid state Terminators.

Quite what effect it would have on the T-1000 I wouldn't be able to guess without going and rereading the books it's used and explained in, lack of a fixed internal structure might mean it's not as effective as it could be.

[The Yosemite Bear]

The movie as per the Web info apparently covers the Begining/Motorball era, where Ido finds her, but sorta messes up the chronology, and keeps her in the Civilian to motorball bodies, no berzerker body, no tuned body, and greatly depowers her. oh and the pics show that she definatly has the demascus blade in the movie.

so the basics I can get for the cameron plot:
Ido finds her
gets civilian body
becomes involved in motorball
becomes bounty hunter
hugo shows up
RIP hugo

which is of course a total frag up of the plot of the first two series.

[Vendetta]

Last I heard, it was still in development hell and anything at this point will be pure speculation.

[The Grim Squeaker]

So, none of the Terminators have a shot at hitting her, let alone harming her. (The slowass TX won't hit her, she's still a bullet dodger even at this this stage).
The termies can't win, and she can cream any of them save the T-1000 (And even that is arguable due to the heating effect), and she can just pound it into a fine goop before scooping it up and dumping it into a reactor.

[Vendetta]

It should be noted that Alita's pretty damn broken even for Anime/Manga cyborgs.

[Ford Prefect]

Analysis of a target hit by the Hertza Haeon showed that it had been superheated in the process, meaning that it might be effective against the 1000.

True, the Herza Haeon's a localised effect though, and it seems to be mostly designed for mincing the organic bits of a cyborg through any armour they might be wearing, (When she used it on Peshkavus his brain exploded but all his armour was intact and undamaged), so it probably won't work on the solid state Terminators.

Quite what effect it would have on the T-1000 I wouldn't be able to guess without going and rereading the books it's used and explained in, lack of a fixed internal structure might mean it's not as effective as it could be.

It's a pity she never used it one one of her replicas, because they do have solid state brains. That said, you're right about how it works; when Figure Four used it against a cyborg they were most undamaged as well, but critically injured.

I have no doubt that the Hertza Nadel would work on a Terminator (though perhaps not the T-1000), primarily because it worked on Sechs, including her right arm.

[Sidewinder]

It should be noted that Alita's pretty damn broken even for Anime/Manga cyborgs.

What do you mean by broken? Emotionally fragile? Physically weak? (I recall her single-handedly beating the shit out of Gundam-sized cyborg warlords and entire platoons of cyborg warriors, even without the Berserker body's wanktastic abilities.) Or do you mean Kishiro Yukito made a Brannon Braga-level fuckup when developing Gally/Alita's character?

[The Grim Squeaker]

It should be noted that Alita's pretty damn broken even for Anime/Manga cyborgs.

What do you mean by broken? Emotionally fragile? Physically weak? (I recall her single-handedly beating the shit out of Gundam-sized cyborg warlords and entire platoons of cyborg warriors, even without the Berserker body's wanktastic abilities.) Or do you mean Kishiro Yukito made a Brannon Braga-level fuckup when developing Gally/Alita's character?

As in wanktastically over the top. (Although still awesome in parts). And you forgot even the weakest cyborgs making humans into wet splatters of paint with a slap, and regular supersonic hth combat . (At the low-middle end, before she got her Last Order body).

[Ford Prefect]

regular supersonic hth combat . (At the low-middle end, before she got her Last Order body).

Actually, I'm fairly sure that prior to getting the Imaginos body (or perhaps the TUNED body, based on Elf's knitting in Last Order), and not the ridiculously hax* version from the original series, pulling supersonic strikes like the Geschoß Schlag was highly unusual. Looking back over the volumes focussing on Motorball, combat there occurs at two hundred kilometres per hour. Not even Jashugan, who was without a doubt the fastest Motorball player, was particularly supersonic.

Not that he needed to be, of course - he is still probably one of the absolute best fighters to have appeared in either the original manga or Last Order.

*Yeah, she experienced blueshift/redshift. What.

[Darth Yoshi]

EM-shift? That's not supersonic. That's relativistic.

Sounds totally awesome, though.

[Ford Prefect]

EM-shift? That's not supersonic. That's relativistic.

Sounds totally awesome, though.

That's only her perception of time, however. The accelerator Nova placed in her brain was actually far better than the actual capabilities of even the original Imaginos body (which could manage hypersonic travel speeds). Her own body moved so slowly relative to her perception of time that she could even use her combat plasma jets to brake. Even so, the body itself is the most powerful to make an appearance (though now non-canon since Last Order began).

[Vendetta]

Yeah, the Accelerator boosted Imaginos body in the Bit That Didn't Happen only actually clocked Mach 15/16 in a vacuum (though her acceleration to that speed was prodigious to say the least). Air resistance might have been a serious issue if she was in atmosphere when she tried it though.

[Vendetta]

As in wanktastically over the top. (Although still awesome in parts). And you forgot even the weakest cyborgs making humans into wet splatters of paint with a slap, and regular supersonic hth combat . (At the low-middle end, before she got her Last Order body).

And in Last Order there are people who make her look wimpy, like Caerula Sanguis, and it's implied she still hasn't remembered all her lost combat training.

[Ford Prefect]

Yeah, the Accelerator boosted Imaginos body in the Bit That Didn't Happen only actually clocked Mach 15/16 in a vacuum (though her acceleration to that speed was prodigious to say the least). Air resistance might have been a serious issue if she was in atmosphere when she tried it though.

Nova says 'mach 17.5', though that's theoretically.

And in Last Order there are people who make her look wimpy, like Caerula Sanguis, and it's implied she still hasn't remembered all her lost combat training.

Certainly, the number of individuals with higher level combat abilities is larger in Last Order. Previously, it was basically just Jashugan and Den/Chaos. Though to be honest, it's slightly annoying not seeing Elf and Zwolf being more effective. Even if their TUNED bodies are inferior to something high-end like Sechs Super Fizziroy get-up, they're still probably Kreiger level Künstlers.

[frogcurry]

Though to be honest, it's slightly annoying not seeing Elf and Zwolf being more effective.

It'd help if they could scrape an AI-equivalent of a brain-cell together between the pair of them.

[Vendetta]

They'd been modified by Desty Nova, winner of the all comers Insane Cackling competition, Special Judges Mention in the Brain Fetish event, and all round Best of Breed at the Mad Scientist awards. The fact that they're not exactly normal or at full Tuned AR combat capability any more probably has something to do with that.