Terminator vs Droid

[need4spd]

How do you think it woudl go down.

The typical terminator t800 t101 robot from the movie the terminator.
Or
The typical droid in star wars.

The fight would occur in a urban invironment without weapons. I just can't imagine a typical droid in star wars being too flimsy or having too inadequate armour compard to the terminator. As the technology in Star wars is superior. But as portrayed in Star wars the droids seem so weak a typical football player with a baseball bat can take one out.

[bilateralrope]

What exactly is a typical droid in SW ?

[TK-984]

The better question is: how would Star Wars have turned out if Arnold Schwarzenegger had played Luke Skywalker? Here's some random musings:

- He would have fucked Princess Leia in the first movie.
- Darth Vader being his father would kind of make sense, in a perverse way.
- Bantha punching, anyone?
- I'm not sure if he would fit into an X-Wing cockpit. (the image is quite hilarious though)
- Gore, more one liners: "SEE YA AT THE PARTY VADER"

[Stark]

'Why did Vader fall into the carbonite pit?'

'... I let him go.'

[Napoleon the Clown]

It would be unfair to match a Terminator against a "typical" protocol droid, as one is designed for killing heavily armed enemies and the other is designed to be, basically, a butler with a very strong linguistics background. So, in fairness sake, are we to assume that this is against a combat droid on par with, say, a baseline battle droid? Super battle droid? IG-88? What exactly are we talking about here? "Typical droid" is a completely meaningless term, as there doesn't seem to be any such thing. We see things from legged vending machine looking droids to domes with a massive array of arms sticking out to trash cans on wheels to humanoid droids.


Add that we have little indication of what kind of physical strength non-combat droids possess, and this scenario has no actual answer.

[Emperor Overlord]

From what I've seen of the droids in the movies, the terminator would kill any one of them, maybe even a whole room of them. Sure, IG-88 was badass, but he was a freaking background character (literally) and was an exceptional droid. Terminators have "detailed files on human anatomy" so they are more efficient killers, the droids can't even kill people with their guns. I honestly can't remember a single instance from the PT where the big-bad battle droids kill ANYBODY besides accidentally killing each other. Granted, files on human anatomy would not help against droids, but if you had a contest to see which one could kill more people, then the terminator would win, hands down.

[Emperor Overlord]

Although if Terminator fought R2-D2, he'd lose. One thing I learned from watching these movies is that R2-D2 FTW!

[Darth Hoth]

From what I've seen of the droids in the movies, the terminator would kill any one of them, maybe even a whole room of them. Sure, IG-88 was badass, but he was a freaking background character (literally) and was an exceptional droid. Terminators have "detailed files on human anatomy" so they are more efficient killers, the droids can't even kill people with their guns. I honestly can't remember a single instance from the PT where the big-bad battle droids kill ANYBODY besides accidentally killing each other. Granted, files on human anatomy would not help against droids, but if you had a contest to see which one could kill more people, then the terminator would win, hands down.

So with "typical 'droid", you mean a battle 'droid from the prequels?

And yes, there die quite a lot of clones (and Jedi, even) in the prequels; Lucas's battle scenes do not make any sense, of course, but the 'droids are not quite as utterly pathetic as they appear.

[Lord Revan]

though IIRC B1 (the "roger, roger" ones) aren't meant to be used solo like terminators are, they're basically meant to "drown" the enemies in a proverbial sea opf droids and "life" of a single droid is meaningless, B2 (SBD) or droidekas on the other hand are different in that way.

btw would a T-800 withstand a direct blaster shot (after even if their battle tactics and strategy are brainless they can hit a human sized target).

[Thanas]

It would be quite unfair to pit a battle droid against a terminator.

Against anything with shields, the terminator is pretty much toast, considering the weapons a battle droid is equipped with and that he has no chance of harming the opponent.

Now, when we put him against the standard Trade Federation droid, it would depend on a lot of factors - is the terminator willing to walk at a leasurely pace towards the droid while getting shut up? That would end pretty bad for him, considering we are talking about blasters here. Look at Mikes site for blaster damage calculations. I doubt Terminators can withstand hand grenades against them, and iirc in the first movie one takes heavy damage from several explosions. Furthermore, does the terminator get his plasma rifle?

In hand to hand combat, the terminator would win, since droids are not equipped for that and have shown no capabilities in that regard.

[Darth Hoth]

The OP said that no weapons could be used, so we are looking at hand-to-hand only.

Perhaps Guri would produce about a fair fight?

[Ender]

The OP said that no weapons could be used, so we are looking at hand-to-hand only.

Perhaps Guri would produce about a fair fight?

Droidekas have guns for hands

[Lord Revan]

well depends on what you mean by fair, but granted most SW battledroids aren't designed with melee combat in mind (the IG-100 series and Gen Grievious are exceptions not the rule and yes I know Grievious is technically a cyborg but as most of his organic body is gone he can be considered a droid when talking about combat capabilities) and generally suck at it.

and if you wonder why they wouldn't be designed with melee combat in mind is that in typical battlefield an enemy would shot before getting close enough.

but this like pitting a master infiltrator against your typical ground pounder, terminator will have a huge advantace being designed for a scenario like this, while your typical battle droid aren't designed to fight without weapons, now if we used a droid designed for the same task as the terminator, but "Assassin droid" (closest terminator equilevant in SW) is still a broad term.

[TithonusSyndrome]

btw would a T-800 withstand a direct blaster shot (after even if their battle tactics and strategy are brainless they can hit a human sized target).

About as well as any battle droid. I remember Necronlord making a case for Skynet-era "laser" weaponry dishing out about the same kind of punishment as SW blasters.

[Ghost Rider]

So I'll ask the OP to provide proof on the last statement, knowing this particular retard couldn't find his ass out of a paper bag.

C'mon, give a me a reason to not lock this or shove to testing.

[Ender]

So I'll ask the OP to provide proof on the last statement, knowing this particular retard couldn't find his ass out of a paper bag.

Clone Wars has the Battle of Chrysophis where we see clones taking down droids with buttstrokes from their rifles. Granted it is because the droids are designed with those weak points - it wouldn't work with a SBD, but still the statement is somewhat valid.

[Ghost Rider]

So I'll ask the OP to provide proof on the last statement, knowing this particular retard couldn't find his ass out of a paper bag.

Clone Wars has the Battle of Chrysophis where we see clones taking down droids with buttstrokes from their rifles. Granted it is because the droids are designed with those weak points - it wouldn't work with a SBD, but still the statement is somewhat valid.

You presented it, which I know the OP wouldn't. Good enough.

Though as you stated earlier, we could use Droidekas, given the OP's lack of any statement of what is a typical droid. That would be the only other reason I despise topics of this particular, written by idiots of this nature. And that doesn't count the mess of the original statement on it.

Let's start there, what is a typical droid ?

I would go out on the limb and continue with the B-1 model, since they appear to be the most common used by the Confederacy, but that limits the span of time to a very particular era.

[Ender]

So I'll ask the OP to provide proof on the last statement, knowing this particular retard couldn't find his ass out of a paper bag.

Clone Wars has the Battle of Chrysophis where we see clones taking down droids with buttstrokes from their rifles. Granted it is because the droids are designed with those weak points - it wouldn't work with a SBD, but still the statement is somewhat valid.

You presented it, which I know the OP wouldn't. Good enough.

Well, I'd still think this should get tossed to OSF

Though as you stated earlier, we could use Droidekas, given the OP's lack of any statement of what is a typical droid. That would be the only other reason I despise topics of this particular, written by idiots of this nature. And that doesn't count the mess of the original statement on it.

Let's start there, what is a typical droid ?

Well, if we go with the average, I'd say its either the B1 or B2. The quintillions of them produced means that they are the most common, and probably most typical droid there is.

I would go out on the limb and continue with the B-1 model, since they appear to be the most common used by the Confederacy, but that limits the span of time to a very particular era.

true, but they also made up the largest army ever assembled. I would be surprised if any model was more produced then the B1 or B2 in history - there just wasn't any call for it. After the CIS droids, maybe a Krath war droid?

But yeah, B1 or B2 would be the standard I guess.

[Ghost Rider]

On the first particular, yeah. This is not going to expand or is any sort of debate specific to Sta Wars.

Off to OSF.

[Singular Intellect]

If 'typical droid' means the standard fighting one seen in TPM, I'd think the Terminator would rip it to pieces extremely quickly. Heck, gungans were wrestling with the droids in TPM and holding their own. So unless someone wants to say a gungan would stand a chance against a Terminator model...

As to other SW droid models, I'd daresay the Terminator would likely best most of them as well. Artoo had no problem frying two heavy battle droids with what appeared to be a limited liquid fuel fire in ROTS. Compare this to the standard Terminator model which functioned just fine after being inside a violently exploding fuel truck, and will still attempt to kill it's target even if it's blown to pieces yet still capable of moving.

[Ghost Rider]

If 'typical droid' means the standard fighting one seen in TPM, I'd think the Terminator would rip it to pieces extremely quickly. Heck, gungans were wrestling with the droids in TPM and holding their own. So unless someone wants to say a gungan would stand a chance against a Terminator model...

Then scale what gungan versus human. Jar-Jar's standing leap in TPM is not average or above average human.

This smacks a bit of just assuming because you think so, it is so.

As to other SW droid models, I'd daresay the Terminator would likely best most of them as well. Artoo had no problem frying two heavy battle droids with what appeared to be a limited liquid fuel fire in ROTS. Compare this to the standard Terminator model which functioned just fine after being inside a violently exploding fuel truck, and will still attempt to kill it's target even if it's blown to pieces yet still capable of moving.

Yes, because Artoo is using gasoline, and the droids aren't show not taking MJ blast from Clone rifles.

Again, a lot of you thinking without providing proof in either case.

[Darth Hoth]

I seem to recall a Clonetrooper breaking his wrist hitting a standard Trade Fed 'droid square on the jaw, without it moving. It should be a trailer for the CGI show.

[Peptuck]

I doubt Terminators can withstand hand grenades against them, and iirc in the first movie one takes heavy damage from several explosions.

Judging by the SCC previews, the Taminator does manage to survive being in the epicenter of a car bomb with little more than superficial damage and some wackiness happening to her programming. Though she may be a different model from Arnie.

[Lord Revan]

btw has anyone made calcs about that jump?

I checked the scene from DvD (the screenshot I took came out distorted sadly) and it looks Jar-Jar jumped at least 2 times his own height (that's at least 4 meters) though 3 or 4 times might be more accurate (as I couldn't get a decent screen shot I won't press the issue though)

[Thanas]

I doubt Terminators can withstand hand grenades against them, and iirc in the first movie one takes heavy damage from several explosions.

Judging by the SCC previews, the Taminator does manage to survive being in the epicenter of a car bomb with little more than superficial damage and some wackiness happening to her programming. Though she may be a different model from Arnie.

The Cameron model is by all indications way more advanced than the standard terminator, as evidenced by her superior intelligence, infiltration abilities and combat prowess - when a model half the size of a standard terminator is able to throw them around, you know they have to be a special case.

Also, a car bomb is quite unlike to getting hit by a blast with the damage equivalent of hand grenades.

Perhaps Guri would produce about a fair fight?

Maybe...but there is the small problem of having her abilities quantified. I mean, for all we know she nearly beat Luke Skywalker at hand-to-hand combat before he used the force. The comics show her defeating some of the best fighters in the galaxy in hand-to-hand, yet she is using superior speed/skill.

We simply do not know how much damage her durasteel exoskeleton can take. Has a calculation ever been made how much damage durasteel can take?