T:SCC gets full season.

[Thanas]

Take that, SyFy Portal and all those doomsayers.

Variety.com

"Terminator" is far from being terminated.

Fox has just given a full-season order to "Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles." Cast and crew were informed of the decision late Friday.

Back nine order was far from certain; the show has been struggling in its Monday night time slot. But "Sarah Connor" has developed a fan base and some positive critical attention along the way.

"Sarah Connor" was pre-empted this week due to baseball playoff coverage, but in its last airing, on Oct. 6, averaged a 2.3 rating and 6 share among adults 18-49, which was up slightly from the prior week.

Warner Bros. TV is behind "Sarah Connor," which stars Lena Headey in the title role, as well as Thomas Dekker, Summer Glau, Brian Austin Green, Richard T. Jones, Garret Dillahunt, Leven Rambin and Shirley Manson.

I told you Fox wasn't going to cancel it.

[Shroom Man 777]

Fuck yeah! It'll be back!

[Crazedwraith]

Does this just mean they're getting the rest of season 2? Or a third season?

[Peptuck]

Ah, this gets me all tingly inside.

[Thanas]

Does this just mean they're getting the rest of season 2? Or a third season?

Here's the deal. When Fox renewed T:SCC, they ordered a second season based on the deal they offered in the first place for the first season - 13 episodes ordered. Which makes the show ideal for fall placement, and to be replaced by another new show as kind of a test balloon. It is standard practice. Now, these deals have almost always an option for another nine episodes included if the studio feels the show deserves more.

What happenned here is that Fox apparently has no promising new shows in the pipeline or believes them to be weaker than T:SCC. Scuttlebut was that T:SCC would run 13 episodes, with the remaining space in the timeslot to be taken up by Joss Whedon's new show, Dollhouse.

In short, think of it as an expanded second season for T:SCC. It offers several advantages for T:SCC fans - first, we will get more of the show, second it means that Fox has a lot of confidence in the show and third, if the worst case happens and Fox decides to ax the show after two seasons (heaven forbid and given the strong support by Warner Bros. it is unlikely this will happen unless the ratings fall spectacularly), this will give the writers enough space to wrap up the storylines.

So, good news all around.

[Thanas]

Ghetto edit: It also is very bad news for Dollhouse IMO, since it was scheduled to be the show that would replace T:SCC in midseason.

[Peptuck]

Ghetto edit: It also is very bad news for Dollhouse IMO, since it was scheduled to be the show that would replace T:SCC in midseason.

Eh, Fox has a history of screwing over Joss Whedon already. This honestly comes as no surprise.

[Imperial Overlord]

Excellent. *tents fingers and leans back in cyber throne*

As for Whedon, some fall series will crash hard and give his show a spot. One always does.

[Crazedwraith]

So, good news all around.

So season 2 was 13 episodes long and is now, 22 episodes long? Awesome!

[Peptuck]

So, good news all around.

So season 2 was 13 episodes long and is now, 22 episodes long? Awesome!

Oy, the Season Two DVD set is going put a dent in my pocket....

[Thanas]

Excellent. *tents fingers and leans back in cyber throne*

As for Whedon, some fall series will crash hard and give his show a spot. One always does.

That is the problem - I do not think that will happen this season. The only show that is currently in danger of cancellation is "Hole in the Wall" and that is a game show. In a thursday slot, where it would be up against Survivor, Ugly Betty and My Name is earl. If you switch shows and give Dollhouse the 9pm slot, the competition gets even worse, with CSI, Grey's Anatomy, the Office and 30 Rock.

Fringe has already received a 22 episode order, so that timeslot is out of the question. House, Bones, Prison Break and 24 are nogoes as well.

So no, I do not believe there is a place for Dollhouse on Fox this season.


Also: Post No. 1500.

[Tsyroc]

Ghetto edit: It also is very bad news for Dollhouse IMO, since it was scheduled to be the show that would replace T:SCC in midseason.

Eh, Fox has a history of screwing over Joss Whedon already. This honestly comes as no surprise.

Except in this case the premise for Dollhouse sucks giant donkey balls. Why the fuck would you need to load a new personality into a person for a mission? How is that better or more interesting than other shows who had their characters go under cover an play a role to get the job done.

Since it's Whedon I will probably give the show a chance but color me less than enthused. I really hope there something more to this show than it's core idea.

[Death from the Sea]

Ghetto edit: It also is very bad news for Dollhouse IMO, since it was scheduled to be the show that would replace T:SCC in midseason.

Eh, Fox has a history of screwing over Joss Whedon already. This honestly comes as no surprise.

which makes me wonder why he does work with them any more....

[Braedley]

They could always push 'til Death and hour back and slot Dollhouse after Bones on Wednesdays. Thursdays are not good for them as there's too much competition, and Mondays and Tuesdays already have the Fox schedule full, as well as competition from other networks. T:TSCC is already hurting a bit because it's going up against NBC's Monday night geek trifecta. I haven't seen the numbers, but it wouldn't surprise me if Chuck and Heroes were each drawing higher numbers than T:TSCC and Prison Break respectively.

[Strider]

I saw an ad for Dollhouse, "Coming soon to Fox", so it definitely isn't canceled. It didn't say when it would be on though.

[Crazedwraith]

Since they only seem to be putting T:SCC on every fortnight, they couldn't be thinking of alternating them in the same time slot could they?

[Braedley]

No, that's a result of the election and the world series. They're not the only program that's been preempted. All should be back to normal after the election.

[Thanas]

Joss Whedon speaks about Dollhouse. Fox was not very pleased with his first drafts, so they shut down production. He is now working on changing the show.

The show was ruined by Flim Flinear. Okay, that's another lie, and you're probably close to giving up on this blog, so here we go. Yes, we've had to make adjustments. Yes, it's been hard and I've been depressing to be around for awhile. Basically, the Network and I had different ideas about what the tone of the show would be. They bought something somewhat different than what I was selling them, which is not that uncommon in this business. Their desires were not surprising: up the stakes, make the episodes more stand-alone, stop talking about relationships and cut to the chase. Oh, and add a chase. That you can cut to. Nothing I hadn't heard before on my other shows (apparently my learning curve has no bendy part) but frustrating as hell given our circumstances - a pilot shot, scripts written, everybody marching together/gainfully employed... and then a shutdown. Glad I was for the breathing room, but it's hardly auspicious. So back into the writer cave I went, wondering why I put up with this when I can make literally dozens of dollars making internet movies.
[...]As for what's been changed, well, some things I obviously can't tell you. Some I can, for the record: The original pilot was in fact thrown out. Again, at my behest. Once it became clear what paradigm the Network was shooting for, it just didn't fit at all, even after I'd reshot more than half of it (see above re: despair). To get a sense of how completely turned around I was during this process, you should know there was a scene with Eliza and the astonishing Ashley Johnson that I wrote and shot completely differently three different times, with different characters in different places (actually I wrote it closer to eight times), and none of it will ever see air. Which is as it should be (though I'm determined to get Ms. Johnson back in the future). The scene just didn't belong anymore. Similarly, the character of November has fallen out of the mix, because the show simply moves too fast now for me to do what I wanted with her. Season three, anyone...? Happily, Miracle Laurie is still with us in a new role, playing against (and pining for) Tahmoh's character, Paul Ballard. Their chemistry is deeply nifty. The only other major cast shift is that the Dollhouse head of security, Laurence Dominic (played by Reed Diamond), who was written just for the now-defunct first ep, has stuck like fly-paper, and Reed is very much in the family for the present. (Most of my problems seem to involve my actors making themselves indispensable. This is the good problem kind.)
Apart from that, it's all hush-hush: some things I'd intended to hold back are laid out much sooner, and some are rolling out more slowly. We're still heading toward Tim's intense two-part mind-blower - right before a thirteenth ep that may actually just be insane.

All in all, I am on the fence of this. When they are as far along as they are now and then they switch tracks....it usually is not a good sign.

[Braedley]

I thought Joss said something about never going back to Fox. And don't they realize that there's a big shift towards season arcs and away from episode arcs?

[Thanas]

I thought Joss said something about never going back to Fox. And don't they realize that there's a big shift towards season arcs and away from episode arcs?

I don't really think you can blame Fox for this. Remember the old Fox execs who cancelled Dark Angel in favor of Firefly, which they then promptly screwed over? Well, these are not the same. Fox got a new management and they are quite friendly to season arcs and sci-fi shows. Case in point: T:SCC which already has about seven season arcs in place. And they renewed it amid a drop in ratings.

So I wouldn't reallly blame Fox for this. If anything, Whedon couldn't deliver what they wanted.

[Thanas]

Heh. Joss Whedon seems pretty happy about T:SCC getting a full season, so maybe I am indeed blowing up a lot of hot air.

2) TERMINATOR gets a full season. It’s not just Summer – it’s not NOT Summer, but… this is my favorite drama on Tele-vee. Opinions are mixed, but I think they balance the human drama with the homage to my seminal cheesy eighties movie mythology with Battlestaresque panache.

From his blog.