UNSC Vietnam Force Sub:

[TheMuffinKing]

Due to disturbances in the TMK boredom equation, 69 has decreed that the UNSC will replace U.S. and ARVN forces in Vietnam from the beginning to culminate in troop numbers at America's and South Vietnams highest after three years in theater. The UNSC is limited politically as was the U.S. at the time, with the caveat that UNSC forces can perform operations in Laos, Cambodia, and Northern Vietnam.

For poop's sake the UNSC has no ships or orbital assets (ie: Satellites, Warships, etc, They retain dropships and fighters however.) UNSC forces receive intel through their own means, plus stuff from the CIA. To make this less of a curbstomp, spartans will not be involved in any capacity. The UNSC has all other equipment available.

UNSC forces will not use nukes, for fear of rousing MechaChina's and RoboRussia's ire.

The UNSC has six years to quell the insurgency, militarily defeat N.Vietnam, and secure and unify Vietnam for the forces of crapitalism.

Can they do it, or should they call in the A-team?

[Mr Bean]

I know three different UNSC, mind defining which one it is from which universe?

[Annatar Giftbringer]

I know three different UNSC, mind defining which one it is from which universe?

I'm guessing Halo-verse, due to the mention of Spartans.

Out of curiosity, what other UNSC's are there?

[Stark]

United Nations Security Council!

Man, a vs replacing an army with diplomats would be pretty funny.

[weemadando]

United Nations Security Council!

Man, a vs replacing an army with diplomats would be pretty funny.

An army of diplomats would actually go fairly well as they would probably implement a damn good COIN "hearts and minds" campaign.

[TheMuffinKing]

I meant the UNSC of Halo. Sorry for any confusion, I was unaware of an other fictional organizations using this acronym.

[Setzer]

Unfortunately, while we have quite a lot of info on the UNSC's arsenal, we don't have as much data on their intelligence capabilities. While they don't have the political limitations the USA did, wouldn't invading North Vietnam proper piss off Russia and China as well? I may be wrong here, but the reason the VC were so dangerous was because the South had a corrupt government that discriminated against Buddhists. In other words, they did a lot of the VC's recruiting for them.

[TheMuffinKing]

Unfortunately, while we have quite a lot of info on the UNSC's arsenal, we don't have as much data on their intelligence capabilities. While they don't have the political limitations the USA did, wouldn't invading North Vietnam proper piss off Russia and China as well? I may be wrong here, but the reason the VC were so dangerous was because the South had a corrupt government that discriminated against Buddhists. In other words, they did a lot of the VC's recruiting for them.

I should have worded the OP differently, I contradicted myself and confused the situation by allowing the UNSC to engage in operations in Laos, Cambodia and especially N.Vietnam, whereas in real life, the U.S. didn't really have those options. The UNSC is able to go all the way up to the Chinese border in this scenario. The only way to get the USSR or China involved in anything other than material aid would be to invade them or use nuclear weapons, which for ease of discussion, I have barred from the scenario.

As for intelligence gathering, I don't know what the UNSC can do either, which is why I included the CIA as an intel gathering apparatus. I would imagine it to be kind of weird seeing firebee drones launched from a pelican.

[FOG3]

Where's the UNSC's logistic train based?

How tolerant is their civilian populace to casualties?

How often are these forces rotated out while maintaining the given force level?

Do they have the capability to close the North Vietnam harbors through mining as was historically done by the USN towards the end?

Right now I'm not seeing much in favor of the UNSC force with their badly designed vehicles and questionable tech advantage in terms of conventional arms.

[FOG3]

Okay, we have a lightly armed Jeep, a really questionable tank, and a questionable dropship that makes a A-10 like like or AC-130 look stupidly fast and well armed by comparison just aren't doing it for me. Unless this is wrong the Red Baron's Fokker Dr.1 would be on the verge of stall out (72 km/hr aka 45 mph) to fly at a Pelican's cruising speed (75 km/hr).

Their Hornet Helicopter if the Wiki can be trusted is doing 75 mph, meaning the Red Baron's Fokker Dr. 1 can keep up with it at about middle throttle setting, it's cruising velocity being around 110 mph. Note that a UH-1 can beat the Red Baron's Fokker DR.1 in a race at 121 knots with the UH-1N model introduced in 1971.

The Longsword doesn't yield much data and given the lackluster stats of the others doesn't inspire confidence for serving as CAS, air superiority, and otherwise.

I'm sorry, but unless these guys have uberarmor/uberweapon "I win" buttons, why aren't they liable to get slaughtered en mass?

[TheMuffinKing]

Where's the UNSC's logistic train based?

How tolerant is their civilian populace to casualties?

How often are these forces rotated out while maintaining the given force level?

Do they have the capability to close the North Vietnam harbors through mining as was historically done by the USN towards the end?

Right now I'm not seeing much in favor of the UNSC force with their badly designed vehicles and questionable tech advantage in terms of conventional arms.

1. Their logistics train originates from the USA. Arms and ammo are produced under license (assume this to be exclusively for the UNSC forces, we will handwave tech disparity in industry for the sake of argument) and are shipped by air and sea using a combination of USAF/Commercial air and by sealift. For this scenario we will assume that the UNSC forces are in little danger of having their FOB's and strategic locations cut off from supply. Individual units are a different matter.

2. UNSC Civilians will be very tolerant of casualties, just to make the scenario easier.

3. Most forces are rotated out on an 18 month basis, with exceptions for extending tours and special forces.

4. I am ignorant of UNSC surface naval assets, and I believe that was never covered in depth in halo fiction, so I'll say no.