WH40k Hellforged

[dragon]

OMG my friend gave me a copy of this and yuck boy did Ben Counter make a mess of it and I've only read the first few chapters. Hopefully it gets better later but not holding out much hope after what many on this board have commented about the writer.

Biggest bone I have with it is the sheer amount of emotion he has the mechanius fleet displaying. In all the other books the Magos are almost emotion less wich given their desire to be more machine like is fine. But Counter has them expressing a wide range of emtions. And the way he treated the breached reactors was almost painful to read.

[Ford Prefect]

Unles they've undergone the Rite of Pure Thought, there's no reason for a martian Adept to not display emotions. Stuff like devotion and curiousity and determination would be common to the coggies.

[open_sketchbook]

And frustration. "Work you thrice cursed device. No, I do not require phallic extension!"

[dragon]

The Magos in charge of the fleet displays emotion. With him that high of a rank seems like he would have undergone the rite.

Ugh the book got worse now he's treating the Necrons like cannon fodder. He throws hundreds of warriors, dozens of skin flayers and thousands of scarabs against the few squads of space marines. Necrons are supposed to be the empitmeny of evilness and technology not cannon fodder

[NecronLord]

Not really. The Unction of Pure Thought was originally introduced to be extreme and unusual.

[Peptuck]

The Magos in charge of the fleet displays emotion. With him that high of a rank seems like he would have undergone the rite.

Nah. There's a Magos in the Eisenhorn books who's basically nothing but a brain in an otherwise entirely augmetic body, and he's about a thousand years old and relatively high-ranking, but he's one of the more emotive characters, so there's plenty of precedent for very "human" AdMech high-rankers.

Ugh the book got worse now he's treating the Necrons like cannon fodder. He throws hundreds of warriors, dozens of skin flayers and thousands of scarabs against the few squads of space marines.

Hi there, welcome to Space Marines.

[Connor MacLeod]

They all can't be insanely logical, because its been mentioned in a number of sources (Storm of Iron is the novel one, but I know its shown up in the game fluff in earlier sources, 3rd edition I think) that higher ups in the AdMech can suffer from insanity due to their mental degeneration (They have life extension process for thousands of years) so you cant realy argue that they are "unemotional" if they can get unhinged.

More to the point, there was also Felicia from the Cain novels. I'm surprised noone mentioned her

As for the SM vs Necrons, I thought it was a bit overdone as far as Soul Drinker wank go, but in a way it is kinda nice to see that the Necron's aren't ALWAYS an unstoppable unquenchable threat. Its also not the first book I've seen where we've seen Necrons like this (there's a 40K short story too and it was feral guardsmen.) As the novels go this is far less retarded and over the top than some other novels *coughcoughChapterWarcoughcough*

[Shroom Man 777]

Nah. There's a Magos in the Eisenhorn books who's basically nothing but a brain in an otherwise entirely augmetic body, and he's about a thousand years old and relatively high-ranking, but he's one of the more emotive characters, so there's plenty of precedent for very "human" AdMech high-rankers.

He also looks like Skeletor!

And to make things better, he had this enormous burrowing machine and he went Journeying to the Center with his Translithopede. Which was awesome! He was like a cyborg Skeletor Ahab after a cursed Chaos artifact.

More to the point, there was also Felicia from the Cain novels. I'm surprised noone mentioned her

FELICIA-CHAAAN! *mechadendrite* ^____________^

Though she is a rather low-ranking member of the Mechanicus, unless I'm missing something from Cain's Last Stand, which I haven't read yet, which is set on the same world as Death or Glory. Her only visible cybernetic was her mechadendrite, which Cain found out was located at the base of her spine above her butt. Maybe he found out about it from conversing with her. Or not.

Oh, but she also had part of her brain cyberized to allow her to go on for long periods of time without sleep. Jealous Amberley-chan notes that such features are common amongst the Mechanicus though.

[Samuel]

According to the 40k wiki one of the bars for her advancement was "weakness of the flesh". They were not subtle.

[Karza]

More to the point, there was also Felicia from the Cain novels. I'm surprised noone mentioned her

FELICIA-CHAAAN! *mechadendrite* ^____________^

Though she is a rather low-ranking member of the Mechanicus, unless I'm missing something from Cain's Last Stand, which I haven't read yet, which is set on the same world as Death or Glory.

Spoiler

Felicia does reappear, at a fairly high rank and encrusted with cybernetics.

[Lord Revan]

to me the whole founding of the Dark Mechanicum seemed to be based on more or less emotional "argument" (even before the "scrapcode" incident) and seeing as the person behind the founding was the fabricator-general of Mars you pretty much can't get any higher then that on the Mechanicum hearchy IIRC (I mean Kelbor-Hal, Regulus just provided the argument for him).

[Shroom Man 777]

Spoiler

Felicia does reappear, at a fairly high rank and encrusted with cybernetics.

That's horrible! She's no longer youthful and spry and lovely and totally kawaii?!

Goddamn. At least Amberley-chan kept herself in good shape!

[NecronLord]

Spoiler

No, she's much the same cheery little antistereotype. Just with a higher iron content.