New Avatar trailer is out

[ray245]

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I'm still pretty mixed about Avatar being a fun movie to watch. I really dislike the idea of noble Savage.

[Ford Prefect]

The video is no longer available. And frankly, this aversion to the 'noble savage' idea is ridiculous. Yeah, blah blah blah, more primitive cultures are objectively worse to live in compared to modern ones. The film has an environmental aesop about getting along with the planet you live on, so I can't even conceive of how having huge blue alien guys being representative of this idea of 'not being stupid about mining' is supposed to be offensive. You can pretty much only hold this view if you think that there is literally no room for critique on technological civillisation. Reality isn't that perfect.

[Kane Starkiller]

Why do movie companies complain about trailers being put on youtube? What's wrong with free advertising?

[Molyneux]

I was in a Toys'r'Us the other day, and saw a shelf full of Avatar toys...
Suffice it to say that I'm not overly enthusiastic about this movie, even discounting that it stole the title from the real Avatar movie.

[neoolong]

Why do movie companies complain about trailers being put on youtube? What's wrong with free advertising?

Or they're leaked and pulled to create scarcity, thereby driving interest up.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Why do movie companies complain about trailers being put on youtube? What's wrong with free advertising?

Or they're leaked and pulled to create scarcity, thereby driving interest up.

If the video was the same one I saw elsewhere, studios don't usually shoot their trailers poorly framed up on the screen with a camcorder then stick it online.

The new trailer is attached to some of the movies that opened today, while it's online debut is next week. Fox simply got pissed that somebody recorded and posted it early, because studios usually don't seem to care at all once trailers are officially released.

[Gramzamber]

If humans want to strip mine the place, why not just chuck rocks at them from orbit?
Oh right cause we wouldn't have a movie.

[Ford Prefect]

Jesus Christ, why do people ask this? It's on Spacebattles as well 'if they want to mine the place why don't they genocide the natives?' they ask. Gee, maybe because they're not homicidal maniacs? It should be pretty fucking clear from the premise that the humans are trying to achieve their goals without completely wiping out a sapient species.

[Gramzamber]

Jesus Christ, why do people ask this? It's on Spacebattles as well 'if they want to mine the place why don't they genocide the natives?' they ask. Gee, maybe because they're not homicidal maniacs? It should be pretty fucking clear from the premise that the humans are trying to achieve their goals without completely wiping out a sapient species.

And yet from the preview footage they still end up in a shooting war, so...

[Losonti Tokash]

Jesus Christ, why do people ask this? It's on Spacebattles as well 'if they want to mine the place why don't they genocide the natives?' they ask. Gee, maybe because they're not homicidal maniacs? It should be pretty fucking clear from the premise that the humans are trying to achieve their goals without completely wiping out a sapient species.

And yet from the preview footage they still end up in a shooting war, so...

And so you think the natural escalation from there is to blowing up the planet with an asteroid?

[Sarevok]

Its pretty simple the humans were being retarded by authoritial fiat. There is absolutely nothing a bunch of wild savages could do to an interstellar raiding force. You dont need asteroid bombardment. Thats reserved for people who can actually shoot back. Just set up a defensive permiter around every mining site. Clear all native settlements around 100 mile radius. Set up regular patrols with strike aircraft that annihalate anyone breaching this radius. Augment it with some ground forces using tanks and you have nothing to worry about. After the first one or two native incursions get slaughtered they will take a hint and stop bothering.

[Ford Prefect]

Jesus, what is it about this film which turns people into gigantic retards? Isn't is freakishly obvious to everyone looking at the premise of the film that the humans aren't actually interested in fighting if they can avoid it? The entire planetary ecosystem is violently opposed to the humans, the Na'vi can control the ecosystem ... hey, why don't we get the Na'vi on side, that way we don't have to worry about fighting everything to get our job done? Are people seriously this opposed to the idea of huge blue dudes kicking the shit out of helicopters that they can't actually think about anything else?

[Gramzamber]

And so you think the natural escalation from there is to blowing up the planet with an asteroid?

I never said devastating the planet now did I?
Small asteroids would be enough to pulverize and clear out the local mining spots and possibly convince any other natives not to set foot in areas that represent death from the sky.

Jesus, what is it about this film which turns people into gigantic retards? Isn't is freakishly obvious to everyone looking at the premise of the film that the humans aren't actually interested in fighting if they can avoid it? The entire planetary ecosystem is violently opposed to the humans, the Na'vi can control the ecosystem ... hey, why don't we get the Na'vi on side, that way we don't have to worry about fighting everything to get our job done?

Or they could just burn out the ecosystem locally. Problem solved.
And yeah good luck getting the local natives on your side when your plan is to steal their resources. When has that ever worked on Earth? Never, all natives have inevitibly been enslaved and betrayed and either tried to fight back or died out, sometimes both.

Are people seriously this opposed to the idea of huge blue dudes kicking the shit out of helicopters that they can't actually think about anything else?

Hey it's only slightly less ridiculous than Ewoks kicking the shit out of an interstellar empire. At least the Ewoks had help.

[Shroom Man 777]

Hey this is why people post sentries, electric fences, cyborg velociraptors and shoot PETA activists and lob asteroids at them or ACTIVATE RAY SHIELDS because PETA activists like putting spikes into trees, which end up breaking the chainsaws of lumber workers and hurting them? This is why whaling companies contract security forces and flotillas of star destroyers to prevent those asshole Greenpeace guys from ramming their boats!

I will masturbate to awesome military power killing the crap and bleeding the titties out of uncultured natives/Ewoks/Demons/Angels/Gods and will promptly break my dick when I end up getting the bill for buying strike aircraft or small asteroids because I thought they were discounted goods and did not realize that they got marked up because of the stock market bubble bust on asteroids and shit!

[Gramzamber]

Um yeah, I think people would have something to say if companies started killing protestors.
On the other hand, who's going to miss a bunch of blue aliens on planet Buttcrack 7?

I'm not saying it's right, but if humanity's intent is interstellar colonialism and resource exploitation, we're not going to be nice about it.

[Ford Prefect]

Or they could just burn out the ecosystem locally. Problem solved.
And yeah good luck getting the local natives on your side when your plan is to steal their resources. When has that ever worked on Earth? Never, all natives have inevitibly been enslaved and betrayed and either tried to fight back or died out, sometimes both.

Do you really not know anything about this film at all or are you just being retarded to annoy me? The entire premise of the film is that the humans have created a whole series of Na'vi bodies which can have a human consciousness transferred into them. You see where this is going? Human agents can infiltrate Na'vi society and enact social and political change that results in the Na'vi being more favourable towards human mining operations.

[Sarevok]

What is this hippie nonsense about the humans being not interested in fighting ? They came to the alien planet to strip mine the place. They did not ask for the aliens permission. Of course the native creatures are going to be pissed and get aggresive. If the people in charge are not ready for a fight they are being fucking stupid. How the hell are they going to make any profit when all the equipment they land get trashed ? They travelled across interstellar distances to make money. Slowly bleeding troops in pointless skirmishes that does not stop alien attacks does not make a profit. Cheaply exterminating nearby pests does.

[Shroom Man 777]

I'm not saying it's right, but if humanity's intent is interstellar colonialism and resource exploitation, we're not going to be nice about it.

Yes, because humans will never ever botch up a job so horribly to the point of clusterfucking it and with a straight face I say that this has never happened before in the history of the Earth? Because everything will go right when we colonize and exploit resources by sending shmucks and shitpieces lightyears away in a very costly and potentially fucking troublesome operation? Because we know that the actual-factual movie's plot, themes, characterization and shit won't matter shit because if it doesn't show Blue Alien Satan's Palace in Space Dis being blown up by a GBLU-459 Mk.WHORE-2 cluster smart bomb, then the movie will invariably suck? HUMANIMERICA FUCK YEAH!

They travelled across interstellar distances to make money. Slowly bleeding troops in pointless skirmishes that does not stop alien attacks does not make a profit. Cheaply exterminating nearby pests does.

Because committing genocide is everyone's first option and everyone will include "extermination weapons in case if the natives go unruly" in their checklists for things to bring in expensive cargo ships that will burn fuel to travel across the stars, because mass extinction is so cheap that it will not be affected by any corporate corner cutting or bureaucratic incompetence and the freight costs will be negligible?

[Gramzamber]

Or they could just burn out the ecosystem locally. Problem solved.
And yeah good luck getting the local natives on your side when your plan is to steal their resources. When has that ever worked on Earth? Never, all natives have inevitibly been enslaved and betrayed and either tried to fight back or died out, sometimes both.

Do you really not know anything about this film at all or are you just being retarded to annoy me? The entire premise of the film is that the humans have created a whole series of Na'vi bodies which can have a human consciousness transferred into them. You see where this is going? Human agents can infiltrate Na'vi society and enact social and political change that results in the Na'vi being more favourable towards human mining operations.

So? That premise is retarded. How're you going to convince them that aliens dropping in to strip mine the place is a good idea? At best they get laughed at, at worst they get burned as infidels or something.
Even if it worked, how long before the blue guys realise they've been tricked and intensive mining really isn't such a great thing for them? Now you're back to square one.
You can't have it both ways, either you'll go out there on some high-minded mission to promote peace and harmony or you take their stuff and fight/kill them.

[Sarevok]

This is ID4 level of dumbness. Only this time it is us who are about to get their mothership wiped out by an apple computer. Seriously who goes about plundering hostile planets with an occupation plan that makes a redshirt away team look like delta force ? All the marketing buzz can not hide the fact the premise behind the movie is so stupid it can not possibly happen.

[Starglider]

Because committing genocide is everyone's first option

Actually, through most of human history, it was. Because it works. Minimising collateral damage and civillian causalties only started to become popular once subjugation of the enemy population became a practical wealth generator. Ethical concern for the enemy as human beings is even more recent.

because mass extinction is so cheap that it will not be affected by any corporate corner cutting or bureaucratic incompetence and the freight costs will be negligible?

The time and energy needed to lob rocks at settlements is trivial compared to interstellar travel or even planetary mining. All they need to do is lift off with a hold full of tailings, put the cargo shuttle on a ballistic suborbital trajectory towards whichever valley the natives are thought to be hiding in, and open the bay doors. The target area will look like a squadron of B-52s pounded it. Two guys and one mining shuttle could do this several times a day, easily. If you want to obliterate larger areas, you just extend the flight time a bit to loop around in space and get a higher velocity on your projectiles. I very much doubt dinosaur-killer scale asteroids are needed, but if they were, that's still a job that will take one cargo ship and a handful of engineers a month or two at most.

I don't know the specifics of this story but there's no reason to go to the expense and risk of gunships and space marines unless the humans are nice enough to want to avoid killing the aliens for ethical reasons (so much so that they'll sacrifice their own lives rather than use methods that kill indiscriminately).

[Shroom Man 777]

Also, because companies get incentives and tax breaks to kill the fuck out of alien native populations on far away planets because the Prime Directive is run by Haliburton or Weyland-Yutani? Maybe despite the advent of interstellar travel and contact with (sentient/sapient) alien species, nobody has ever thought up of drafting some legislation preventing xenocide because nobody has raised any ethical concerns about human colonization and mining on other planets displacing alien species native to those worlds? Because in the grim darkness of the far future, instead of offering tax breaks for being environmentally friendly and non-genocidal, governments instead give the thumbs up to companies if they throw asteroids at people and minimize the tax on using gunships and space marines to slaughter alien natives?

Because instead of crying in outrage at the wholesale slaughter of alien peoples or the mistreatment of them, the citizens of Space Earth would instead cheer the companies and whatnot on to militarily-killfuck their way through the nine vectors of the universe?

Actually, through most of human history, it was. Because it works. Minimising collateral damage and civillian causalties only started to become popular once subjugation of the enemy population became a practical wealth generator. Ethical concern for the enemy as human beings is even more recent.

It won't be that recent now that it's in the grim darkness of the far future. How recent are ethical concerns for dumb animals, which humanity will liken alien species as if we're gonna be genocidal fucks, anyway?

I don't know the specifics of this story but there's no reason to go to the expense and risk of gunships and space marines unless the humans are nice enough to want to avoid killing the aliens for ethical reasons (so much so that they'll sacrifice their own lives rather than use methods that kill indiscriminately).

There might be laws against going into other planets and wantonly killing the crap out of innocent native species by lobbing asteroids at them or by sending gunships and space marines at them. Unless the companies try to justify it as "scientific research".

Imagine a spaceship coming in with a harpooned Sentient Space Whale and landing on Super Mega New Tokyo, wherein the poor alienoid is immediately turned into sushi for general consumption. Or Space Trawlers with outer space drift nets full of captured and asphyxiated space aliens.

[Starglider]

Maybe despite the advent of interstellar travel and contact with (sentient/sapient) alien species, nobody has ever thought up of drafting some legislation preventing xenocide because nobody has raised any ethical concerns about human colonization and mining on other planets displacing alien species native to those worlds?

What makes you think future human civilisation is going to be modelled on Liberal America, as opposed to Fundie America (kill the evil alien demons), 90s Russia (corporate tycoons buy whatever laws they like) or China (environmental damage and human rights are irrelevant, industrial output is everything). Liberal Western values are the exception to the norm of human behavior. Besides, if this legislation you propose does exist, why are they mining the planet and shooting missiles at the aliens (as seen in the trailers) at all?

[Shroom Man 777]

What makes you think future human civilisation is going to be modelled on Liberal America, as opposed to Fundie America (kill the evil alien demons), 90s Russia (corporate tycoons buy whatever laws they like) or China (environmental damage and human rights are irrelevant, industrial output is everything). Liberal Western values are the exception to the norm of human behavior.

Because they haven't dropped asteroids on the aliens yet or given them blankets with spacepox? (EDIT: Who knows? It's a potential explanation as to why the humans haven't done all sorts of awesome militarily macho things everyone here has proposed, and why there are still aliens left alive so that a story could be told despite the awesomeness of grimdark humanimerica.)

Besides, if this legislation you propose does exist, why are they mining the planet and shooting missiles at the aliens (as seen in the trailers) at all?

Maybe the situation changed and things broke down? Maybe at first they placated the aliens by selling them trinkets and beans and signing phony contracts meant for American Indians, but the aliens got wise on the act and started beating ass - something the humans didn't expect because they thought the aliens would be bound to their contractual obligations? Who knows? Big plans that end up fucking up and things getting complicated are not the exception to human behavior.

I haven't seen the trailer yet can someone give me a link?

EDIT:

As FROD said...

It should be pretty fucking clear from the premise that the humans are trying to achieve their goals without completely wiping out a sapient species.

And no, the natural escalation from there might not be to blowing up the planet with an asteroid because some people might not take delight in killing the crap out of a whole lot of alien people because they're not a bunch of hyperthyroid space rock-chuckers and might want a solution with least amount of lives dead-ified?

[Gramzamber]

So their solution to the least amount of lives taken is to engage in close combat with the natives, thus ensuring the maximum amount of casualties on both sides!
Oh yeah then they have their brilliant Avatar plan, which would realistically go:

Avatar: Those humans ain't so bad, we should let them dig up our planet and take our resources.
Alien: Are you insane? No!

OR they could just chuck rocks at the areas they intend to mine till no native dares set foot there.
Again nobody's saying blow up worlds. Unless you think Tunguska level events blow up worlds now.