Doctor Who "The End of Time Part 1" [spoilers]

[NecronLord]

Discussion of the first part of this story.

[The Grim Squeaker]

Could someone who's seen this Please PM me a full detailed spoiler? If you feel like it?

[DaveJB]

Just wait until about 2000 GMT, and go to Wikipedia; someone should have written a pretty detailed synopsis of it by then.

[Crazedwraith]

its not aired yet, squeaker. Another hour. I won't be watching it live unfortunately. It'll be tea time and my aged aunt would only complain the whole way through, which would somewhat ruin the effect. Hope to see it more rapidly than I got to see last years.

[Atlan]

I think that "Oh SNAP!" covers this one pretty well...

[Sharp-kun]

I think that "Oh SNAP!" covers this one pretty well...

Quite.

Enjoyed it for the most part, but seemed to be missing something.

[NecronLord]

Weeee're back, baby!

[Vanas]

Huh. Well. Uh. Okay.

So, part two's gonna be fun. Didn't catch all of it, sadly. What I saw was pretty good. And the end was, well, see previous sentences.

[Soontir C'boath]

Anyone know if cuts were made in the BBC America version? They finally got their HD channel up.

[NecronLord]

The 'The Master Race' line was totally hilarious, for me.

[Gramzamber]

Good lord it's Vault 68 on a planetary scale. Well unless the female ones are still... no I don't want to think about that.
Also.. Timothy Dalton wasn't saying what I think he's saying.. was he? What, the Time Lords feel left out of the whole destroy the universe business? Oh well we shall see.

[NecronLord]

I'm not sure what they're planning, perhaps these are actually evil, and plan to wipe out the universe; perhaps they plan to restructure time to a benevolent purpouse or something... we'll have to see.

[NecronLord]

Good lord it's Vault 68 on a planetary scale. Well unless the female ones are still... no I don't want to think about that.

I think it'd be more rape of the sabines; there are other worlds out there with human-looking women, after all. Damn you for making me think of this.

[J Ryan]

My knowledge of Doctor Who seems to be failing me. When the strange women in the church mentions the the tale of the Doctor that beat a Demon from the sky in a convent, thus getting the TARDIS in a stain glass window, was that a previous episode?

[Atlan]

Good lord it's Vault 68 on a planetary scale. Well unless the female ones are still... no I don't want to think about that.
Also.. Timothy Dalton wasn't saying what I think he's saying.. was he? What, the Time Lords feel left out of the whole destroy the universe business? Oh well we shall see.

Perhaps with their fate so intimately bound up in time they need to "reset" the universe in order for themselves to be viable again?
That would be interesting. It might also be a better way of ensuring that the Daleks are around again then all the previous "Oh look, there's a barrel of Daleks left over here, and here, and here, etc." that the previous episodes used.

But how DID they pull it off, that's the big question. Might be fodder for most of an entire season to explore, including the effects it will have on the Doctor's psyche. He's been so angsty that he's the last one that he was even willing to forgive The Master if he'd just hang around...

One thing is for sure, I'm going to be mightily pissed if the Timelords aren't going to stay around.


Edit: Timothy Dalton as Head Timelord, Fuck YEAH!

[Gramzamber]

Perhaps with their fate so intimately bound up in time they need to "reset" the universe in order for themselves to be viable again?
That would be interesting. It might also be a better way of ensuring that the Daleks are around again then all the previous "Oh look, there's a barrel of Daleks left over here, and here, and here, etc." that the previous episodes used.

Wouldn't be a bad idea, though I think the Daleks should be done for good.
... unless we get a Dalek companion!

But how DID they pull it off, that's the big question. Might be fodder for most of an entire season to explore, including the effects it will have on the Doctor's psyche. He's been so angsty that he's the last one that he was even willing to forgive The Master if he'd just hang around...

I'm expecting a good explanation on that, but I'm also expecting to be let down.
I wonder if after all this "you're gonna die!" talk, it's going to end up with the Time Lords pulling a 3rd Doctor on the Doctor, as in forcing a regeneration as punishment for "cheating" on his last death.

One thing is for sure, I'm going to be mightily pissed if the Timelords aren't going to stay around.

I really doubt they have the balls to drag back the Time Lords from oblivion only to cast them back in the pit an episode later.
Really. Well. Sort of really.

[NecronLord]

My knowledge of Doctor Who seems to be failing me. When the strange women in the church mentions the the tale of the Doctor that beat a Demon from the sky in a convent, thus getting the TARDIS in a stain glass window, was that a previous episode?

Not to my knowledge, just an average day for the Sainted Physician.

[NecronLord]

I'm worried for the Time Lords. That's a lot of Masters....

EDIT: RTD is calling the Time Lords 'the ultimate enemy for the Tenth Doctor' on confidential, so I suppose they're evil.

[Gramzamber]

Oh one more thing, is it just me or did Lucy just make the whole situation worse?
Sort of a sad end for her really, botching the Master's resurrection just turned him into a super-cannibal with the powers of that guy from Infamous.

[Atlan]

Wouldn't be a bad idea, though I think the Daleks should be done for good.
... unless we get a Dalek companion!

...Imagines a Dalek with a female voice and a plucky personality...

AARGH! NEED BRAIN BLEACH!

I'm expecting a good explanation on that, but I'm also expecting to be let down.
I wonder if after all this "you're gonna die!" talk, it's going to end up with the Time Lords pulling a 3rd Doctor on the Doctor, as in forcing a regeneration as punishment for "cheating" on his last death.

Might be, but I'm guessing he's gonna expend his current "life force" to stop The Master.

I really doubt they have the balls to drag back the Time Lords from oblivion only to cast them back in the pit an episode later.
Really. Well. Sort of really.

As I said, if they do that I'm going to be mightily pissed. It helps that the Time Lords do not seem to be involved in this other than as observers, indicating that The Doctor will deal with them later on. Bringing them into the story as active participants in the second half would be very bad writing indeed.

[Sharp-kun]

EDIT: RTD is calling the Time Lords 'the ultimate enemy for the Tenth Doctor' on confidential, so I suppose they're evil.

Depends, what they're going to do might be perfectly reasonable, but against the Doctors morals/ideals.

[Atlan]

Oh one more thing, is it just me or did Lucy just make the whole situation worse?
Sort of a sad end for her really, botching the Master's resurrection just turned him into a super-cannibal with the powers of that guy from Infamous.

Considering some of The Doctor's remarks, it's not impossible for Time Lords to do those feats, you just pay for it in life force. The bad thing is that he's super-hungry (He's not a cannibal: we're NOT the same species), and I wonder if he copied that trait over to all of him. That would be kinda awesome, a whole lot of perpetually starving Masters with superpowers, they'll soon eat the whole planet bare. And if they can't get off soon enough, they WILL turn cannibal...

[Gramzamber]

As I said, if they do that I'm going to be mightily pissed. It helps that the Time Lords do not seem to be involved in this other than as observers, indicating that The Doctor will deal with them later on. Bringing them into the story as active participants in the second half would be very bad writing indeed.

It seemed to me at the end there that the Time Lords were about ready to charge into the situation, battlecries and all.

EDIT: RTD is calling the Time Lords 'the ultimate enemy for the Tenth Doctor' on confidential, so I suppose they're evil.

Depends, what they're going to do might be perfectly reasonable, but against the Doctors morals/ideals.

Trying to bring about the end of time seems pretty evil to me, no matter what intentions of order and reconstructive pleasantness they may intend.

[Gramzamber]

Considering some of The Doctor's remarks, it's not impossible for Time Lords to do those feats, you just pay for it in life force.

Given the whole transparent skull thing I figured it had more to do with the resurection, the Doctor mentioned this too I think.

The bad thing is that he's super-hungry (He's not a cannibal: we're NOT the same species), and I wonder if he copied that trait over to all of him. That would be kinda awesome, a whole lot of perpetually starving Masters with superpowers, they'll soon eat the whole planet bare. And if they can't get off soon enough, they WILL turn cannibal...

Yeah, wrong phrase. I wonder what you'd call eating another sentient species... that looks just like you to boot.
And yeah the whole self-eating Master thing.. more images I don't need. Maybe that's his plan. Put Masters on a conveyor belt and feed himself with his clones for uber energy! Yeuck.

Edit: Messed up condensing my posts.

[NecronLord]

As I said, if they do that I'm going to be mightily pissed. It helps that the Time Lords do not seem to be involved in this other than as observers, indicating that The Doctor will deal with them later on. Bringing them into the story as active participants in the second half would be very bad writing indeed.

The Doctor can be seen with them in the preview, so they will be. Mind, the Master is their problem to deal with...

Trying to bring about the end of time seems pretty evil to me, no matter what intentions of order and reconstructive pleasantness they may intend.

Who knows.