Na'vi vs. Ewoks (Avatar spoilers)

[Drooling Iguana]

Because it had to happen.

Situation: For whatever reason the Ewok Village seen in Return of the Jedi and the Na'vi Hometree seen in Avatar are transported to a neutral planet and placed approximately 50km from each other. The atmosphere will be composed of a substance that both species can breathe without issue and the flora and fauna around each village will be identical to that of their inhabitants respective home planets, with a sharp dividing line halfway in between them. The Na'vi will be able to communicate with the planetmind which will behave as normal, but will only have influence over the Pandoran territory and will remain in its standard "balance maintaining" stance and so will not actively interfere in this conflict.

The goal of each side will be to secure the other's home village, either by annihilating the other species or by simply driving them away.

Also, for the purposes of this vs. we'll ignore the effects that being suddenly transported to a foreign world will have on each people. Both the Na'vi and the Ewoks will act as if this situation is completely normal to them.

Each side is aware of the other's existence and is informed of the impending conflict at the same time, although they'll choose when to launch their respective attacks themselves.

So, who wins?

[K. A. Pital]

Na'Vi are huge and excessively powerful and robust humanoids. Ewoks are clumsy halflings. Seriously, tallness of the Na'Vi is an automatic win here.

[The Romulan Republic]

Size didn't save the Stormtroopers.

Though I agree the Na'Vi probably win. Size is only one advantage they have. They've also got speed, agility, and bows that fire arrows bigger than the Ewoks. Plus cavalry and flying units (I'd like to see an Ewok glider go up against one of those things they fly ).

[K. A. Pital]

Yeah, but the stormtroopers aren't too oversized compared to the Ewoks. The Na'Vi are probably 5 times their size and far more agile and tough (that guy who wrecked the inside of the shuttle was sure a tough bastard, and he seemed to hurl around humans in war gear (~100 kg) with contemptous ease). That's an overmatch.

[Drooling Iguana]

I agree that the Na'vi have a physical advantage in this situation (although, as has been shown in other places on this site, Ewoks are stronger than they look) however the Ewoks seem to have a fairly significant technological advantage, being able to design and build large strictures for use in war while the Na'vi have very few tools beyond their spears and bows and rely on the exceedingly convenient biology of their homeworld. Even their respective villages reflect this difference, with the Ewok one being a collection of constructed buildings linked by an intricate system of bridges built in the treetops while the Na'vi simply live inside the Hometree. The Ewoks' main disadvantage is going to be their lack of beasts of burden, which could be a fairly significant one.

[Bedlam]

What is the gravity and atmosphere on the neutral planet?

The Na'vi live on a lower gravity world (excatly how lower isn't stated but it doesn't seem that great a difference) they are extremely agile on their own world but they might have trouble dealing with an earth normal or greater than earth gravity field, same with their flyers it might not require a great change to make the dragons not able to fly.

The Na'vi atmosphere is toxic to humans were as endors isn't, we dont know if the Na'vi require the toxic part of the atmosphere, if so the two species might not be able to survive in the same atmosphere.

[Drooling Iguana]

I don't know what the gravity's like on Pandora (it seemed to be pretty close to Earth's when I was watching the movie, but I wasn't exactly calculating the rates of descent of the various characters seen in free-fall at the time.) If evidence can be presented that it's significantly different from Earth's (and therefore Endor's, as Endor had pretty much the same surface gravity as Earth) then we'll assume that the gravity on the neutral planet is going to be midway between the gravities on Endor and Pandora.

I stated in the OP that both species will be able to breathe this planet's atmosphere as well as they could their own.

[Zor]

The Na'vi are faster, stronger, have mounts and flight. The only real advantages the Ewoks have is being able to hide in a wider variety of places and some technical advancements which is not sufficent. The Ewoks don't have a counter to Banshee Riders.

Also, i would hate to be the Ewok which had to deal with a pack of Viperwolves (And i am sure they could follow them up into the trees).

Zor

[Darth Wong]

If you put the Ewoks into Pandora they would die even with rebreathers (after all, the megafauna is so huge). Then again, all of that megafauna would be fucked in a normal-gravity environment, so if you put the Na'Vi and their megafauna on Endor they would be useless; the fliers would be unable to get sufficient lift, and the big animals would be gasping for breath and dragging their heavy asses around.

The OP doesn't say anything about gravity.

[Darth Wong]

I don't know what the gravity's like on Pandora (it seemed to be pretty close to Earth's when I was watching the movie, but I wasn't exactly calculating the rates of descent of the various characters seen in free-fall at the time.)

It was stated onscreen that Pandoran gravity is significantly lighter. Watch the movie again. Why do you think the Na'Vi are so tall, and the planet can support such giant-scale megafauna or monster trees? Even the seemingly large trees of Endor look miniscule compared to the Pandora monsters. Hell, Home Tree alone showed how light the gravity must be; it was actually suspended off the ground on its roots, so that there was a cavernous space underneath its main trunk.

[Ford Prefect]

It's something like .8 gee on Pandora, if I remember the Survival Guide correctly.

[Crazedwraith]

On the other hand isn't Pandora also supposed to have a very heavy atmosphere? That doesn't actually tally with having a lighter gravity field. Light gravity means more and more types of gas can reach escape velocity and escape. Less Gravity; less atmosphere.

[Sky Captain]

On the other hand isn't Pandora also supposed to have a very heavy atmosphere? That doesn't actually tally with having a lighter gravity field. Light gravity means more and more types of gas can reach escape velocity and escape. Less Gravity; less atmosphere.

Pandora`s strong magnetic field would certainly reduce the amount of atmosphere blown away by solar wind. Also if atmosphere contains more heavy gasses (I think it was said CO2 content is 15 %) then denser atmosphere is easily possible even if gravity is a bit weaker.

[Nephtys]

The Na'vi can survive (or at least the Avatars can) at least in the short term in a human-atmosphere environment, as evidenced by the decanting and hanging around in the human lab. I don't remember any of the nurses or scientists being in breathing gear.

[Lord Relvenous]

The Na'vi can survive (or at least the Avatars can) at least in the short term in a human-atmosphere environment, as evidenced by the decanting and hanging around in the human lab. I don't remember any of the nurses or scientists being in breathing gear.

Yes, they were. They had breathing masks on the whole time.

[Sarevok]

Pandora gravity was stated to be 0.9g in the movie. Avatar wiki claims it is 0.8g. Regardless the difference is not that high. Pandora animals like Navi were said to be made of ridiculas magic biology like "naturally occuring carbon fiber" - whatever that might be. Larger animals can resist cannon fire. Pandora life is not so damn huge just because of lower gravity. They ARE physically stronger.

[Drooling Iguana]

It was stated onscreen that Pandoran gravity is significantly lighter. Watch the movie again.

I'm not a masochist, so I'll take your word for it.

[Seydlitz_k]

I thought the gravity on Endor was less than on earth as well? Wookieepedia says Endor gravity is 85% standard gravity. So gravity would be roughly the same.

They do have Goraxes, Condor Dragons, etc. on Endor as well, which don't seem to be very friendly.

[Themightytom]

Do the Ewoks get their Force artifacts?

[LaCroix]

While ewoks showed evidence for great strenght, and their bows are rather good made, they do not match Na'vi in combat terms.

Even ignoring the advantage of mounts, Navi have shown to be much faster and agile than Ewok, who therefore wouldn't stand a chance in hand to hand combat. Especially the longer reach of Navi is hard to counter, even with the short spears Ewok wield.

Navi bows are longer. While the ewok bows are probably as hard to draw as navi bows - these ewok bows are basically arm-thick branches - the longer limbs make them more stable in-shot, increasing targeting. Also, a longer bow means a longer arrow can be used before the string angle makes leverage a problem, giving the bow more overall efficiency and power.

Since you can't get the enemy out of his tree without some boots (or bare feet, in that case) on the ground, they have to engage in direct combat at some stage. Being 8 foot smaller and having the agility of a stuffed bear doesn't help much.

[Xon]

Hell, Home Tree alone showed how light the gravity must be; it was actually suspended off the ground on its roots, so that there was a cavernous space underneath its main trunk.

I'm not sure if you can use this as evidence for vastly lighter gravity, as it is highly likely the trees have incorperated unobtainium into it's biology. The image display of the unobtainium under the hometree also highlighted it as having unobtainium diffuse through out it.

One thing you can say, is they do not experiance storms or high winds. At all.

[Guardsman Bass]

Pandora gravity was stated to be 0.9g in the movie. Avatar wiki claims it is 0.8g. Regardless the difference is not that high. Pandora animals like Navi were said to be made of ridiculas magic biology like "naturally occuring carbon fiber" - whatever that might be. Larger animals can resist cannon fire. Pandora life is not so damn huge just because of lower gravity. They ARE physically stronger.

Where does it say that the gravity is "0.9 g" in the movie? I don't remember them mentioning the specific number at all.

[tricksterson]

Sexy cat people vs animated teddy bears: Advantage Na'vi.