Doctor Who S5e13 "The Big Bang" [Spoilers]

[Crazedwraith]

Throwing this one up a bit early. Note everyone its starts at 6:05. and lasts for 55 minutes Earlier than sometimes. I wish they didn't keep mucking the time about. It would be so easy to tune at 6:40 and miss most of it.

[andrewgpaul]

Huh. Didn't expect that.

[Jon]

Loving this episode so far... but did doctor just stop a dalek with a satellite dish? Edit: Ah, River said 'partially restored' about the dalek I guess we can use that as an excuse for its awfully weak weapon :p

[Sharp-kun]

Fuck the BBC and changing the time.

[Bounty]

Something old, something new, something borrowed, and something very blue

Best finale of NuWho. Loved every second of it.

[Gramzamber]

So basically, Amy is a wizard.

And apparently whatever big bad caused all the trouble is going to be held till next series. Original for new Who at least.

[andrewgpaul]

So, is next series' outfit white tie?

[Admiral Valdemar]

Awesome, and dammit, The Voice is still out there. I'm definitely seeing this as being Omega now. If this wasn't an attempt to get back at The Doctor (and all reality) I don't know what is.

The scenes in the museum with the vortex manipulator showing how screwy time travel is (wibbly wobbly...) was hilarious. And I kind've felt sorry for the Dalek. And the fez. Fezes are cool.

It's nice that all the things I was about to question got answered a minute after they popped into my head, like why the Earth still managed to survive and whether there were two Doctors. Pity the whole reason for this incident is still a mystery.

Oh, and Rory as a companion. Good.

[Crazedwraith]

Bit iffy on this one. I mean nothing really got explained. Damn timey wimey stuff. Oh and more cryptic bullshit foreshadowing from River.

On the other hand everything else was very very slick. Big sap that I am, I loved Rory guarding her through out the centuries especially when they implied he'd been melted during WWII.

Oh and Rory basically parroted the Doctor's lines from Starship UK back to him. I stayed out of trouble... badly.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Bit iffy on this one. I mean nothing really got explained. Damn timey wimey stuff. Oh and more cryptic bullshit foreshadowing from River.

On the other hand everything else was very very slick. Big sap that I am, I loved Rory guarding her through out the centuries especially when they implied he'd been melted during WWII.

Oh and Rory basically parroted the Doctor's lines from Starship UK back to him. I stayed out of trouble... badly.

What do you mean "nothing really got explained"? The whole reason for the incident, no, because it's bigger than one episode (thank Zeus). Everything else was. I can't see where you can complain on something that was so tight, yet allows further expansion on what is really behind the silence. I'd much rather have that than "Oh, it was Davros. Again. And we'll vanquish him in the last five minutes. Next!".

If nothing else, the arc with River and the foreshadowing since season four regarding the cracks and whatever has been causing them is a nicer way going about things.

[Gramzamber]

Perhaps forcing the Doctor to reboot the universe is Rassilon's roundabout way of ending time and ascending, and we'll see the consequences of that later.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Perhaps forcing the Doctor to reboot the universe is Rassilon's roundabout way of ending time and ascending, and we'll see the consequences of that later.

Now that would be interesting too. There are plenty of Time Lord enemies we can use to explain this apparent vendetta against The Doctor, and we've seen Gallifrey could be brought back in "The End Of Time". The cracks failed, but whoever was behind them is no doubt able to go about finding another way to screw with things.

[Zac Naloen]

This show is so stupid, always will be, still loved it.

Probably the best of the Nuwho finales so far.

[Atlan]

Heh. The Doctor not wearing, wearing, and then NOT wearing again his jacket in Flesh And Blood DOES make sense!

Damn Moffat, nice dropping hints.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Wanted the fez, though.

[Crazedwraith]

What do you mean "nothing really got explained"?

So why exactly does blowing yourself up mean you get to travel back through your timeline as invisible planting tips in your friend's subconscious so they remember you despite you not existing and so you magically pop back into existence?

[Admiral Valdemar]

So why exactly does blowing yourself up mean you get to travel back through your timeline as invisible planting tips in your friend's subconscious so they remember you despite you not existing and so you magically pop back into existence?

Your first question should be: why does time travel work at all? given how convoluted the whole idea is, especially in DW. If you're going to nitpick this "memories bring people back thing", I can think of a LOT more stuff in DW, and most sci-fi, that makes about as much sense. This is internally consistent, and that's all that matters. If you're trying to use physics on this show, well, have fun with that.

[Crazedwraith]

So why exactly does blowing yourself up mean you get to travel back through your timeline as invisible planting tips in your friend's subconscious so they remember you despite you not existing and so you magically pop back into existence?

Your first question should be: why does time travel work at all? given how convoluted the whole idea is, especially in DW. If you're going to nitpick this "memories bring people back thing", I can think of a LOT more stuff in DW, and most sci-fi, that makes about as much sense. This is internally consistent, and that's all that matters. If you're trying to use physics on this show, well, have fun with that.

If you read carefully, you will see that I'm not complaining about 'the memories bring you back' so much as the 'being exploded sends you back in through your own timeline' thing. Which barely got a one line handwave.

Also I wave off my own complaints in my post admitting it's all really just 'timey wimey' stuff. It was a light hearted jest that you're taking just a tadge too seriously.

[Admiral Valdemar]

If you read carefully, you will see that I'm not complaining about 'the memories bring you back' so much as the 'being exploded sends you back in through your own timeline' thing. Which barely got a one line handwave.

Also I wave off my own complaints in my post admitting it's all really just 'timey wimey' stuff. It was a light hearted jest that you're taking just a tadge too seriously.

The cracks. All the ones that he came across in his timeline where closing backwards from the point of detonation with the TARDIS. As reality expanded again, and the cracks were repaired, he was dragged with them up until his initial exposure to them (that he was aware of).

So see it as him rewinding as the cracks are sealed one by one, starting from the future and going back to the first cracks within the observer's context.

[Gemini-Preserver]

Well that was fantastic really utterly fantastic.
Just one thing though the Doctor ceased to exists, but was still able to be brought back the day after all the crack in the wall events..which wouldn't of happened as there wasn't a crack in the first place for him to investigate..If I go on Ill confuse myself.
Basically do all the events that the 11th Doctor has been involved with still happen? Are the Daleks back in time-war style or Restyled?

[Mari Wolfe]

Basically do all the events that the 11th Doctor has been involved with still happen? Are the Daleks back in time-war style or Restyled?

That can go either way. Depends on the writers after all it was Amy's memory that brought the Doctor back and with that its whatever they feel like. So it's a bit like Schrodinger's Cat. We will not know till we see it.

Loved the episode. It even improved some of the previous ones in the season that I felt were a bit iffy.

[Gramzamber]

I imagine everything the Doctor did is still intact thanks to Amy's wizard wishing powers.

However given the presence of Amy's parents, everything the cracks consumed is back. So wouldn't that mean the angels would've killed everyone on the Byzantium?
And worst of all.. "Journey's End" still happened!

[Srelex]

I guess they can handwave that with the entire process being quite selective.

[Crazedwraith]

Well Amy's parents are back because the Doctor got Amy to concentrate on remembering them. The same cannot be said for Dalek Invasions and Cyberkings. So hopefully they'll stay gone.

[Captain Seafort]

So see it as him rewinding as the cracks are sealed one by one, starting from the future and going back to the first cracks within the observer's context.

The impression I got was that if he hadn't gone through the crack in Amelia's room, he'd have kept going back through his incarnations, hence the quip about hating reruns.