The One vs the One

[wautd]

Since there can only be one "the One", both will duke it out to the death. Both will start on the opposite side of the Agent HQ lobby and they are armed with 1 weapon of choice (and 1 clip in case it will be decided on HTH combat).

Neo gets the same powers he had at the end of the Matrix.

Yulaw gets the same powers he got after killing Lawless.

Who wins?

[adam_grif]

I can't remember what powers he had at the end of The One, but Neo pre-nerf could just bend reality to his will and make people explode by flying through them.

[Temujin]

So I'm assuming this occurs in the Matrix, because there Neo has the cheat codes and thus gets to play in God mode; because that's the only way he has a chance.

Anyway, I wasn't too impressed with Mr. SuperWoah. Despite what we saw at the end of the first film, simple upgraded Agents and the Merovingian's guys gave Neo problems. Out of universe you can call that nerfing as the story wasn't originally designed to be continued, that is until the producers saw the profits. In universe you just have to accept that Neo is not as bad ass as he originally appeared to be. Blowing up agent Smith from the inside out could just have been another cheat code Neo could take advantage of at the time. The fact that we never saw him do it again says he probably can't with more advanced programs/Agents.

There's also no way to tell what effect Yulaw might have on being interfaced with the system. If a common person can do the shit that Trinity and Morpheous can do, what the fuck would Yulaw be capable of.

Anyway, I vote for Yulaw; after all, he's nobody's bitch!

[wautd]

So I'm assuming this occurs in the Matrix, because there Neo has the cheat codes and thus gets to play in God mode; because that's the only way he has a chance.

Well duh. Pitting Yulaw against a Joe Sixpack who spent most of his life in a pink fish tank would hardly seem fair now doesn't it

Blowing up agent Smith from the inside out could just have been another cheat code Neo could take advantage of at the time. The fact that we never saw him do it again says he probably can't with more advanced programs/Agents.

Nevermind there isn't any evidence he can do the same with humans, so this trick should be a non-issue for this tread.

[Shroom Man 777]

Um, Agents inhabit human bodies?

Neo could play fucking Dragon Ball Z with Super Smith in the end, smashing through buildings and throwing water-fireballs and fuck, looking like Superman and Darkseid duking it out and shit. If all else fails, Neo grabs Yu Law by the hair, flies up a thousand feet into the air, and lets the guy drop.

Sorry Yu Law. You're nobody's bitch, I know. But Neo's a pretty big nobody, so yeah.

[wautd]

Um, Agents inhabit human bodies?

Oh yeah...

Neo could play fucking Dragon Ball Z with Super Smith in the end, smashing through buildings and throwing water-fireballs and fuck, looking like Superman and Darkseid duking it out and shit. If all else fails, Neo grabs Yu Law by the hair, flies up a thousand feet into the air, and lets the guy drop.

I had the feeling Neo got more God-like with every sequel. In the second movie, the army of regular Smiths still appear to pose a serious treath, and Merovingian's goons kept him busy long enough for the Twins going after Trinity/Morpheus. That's why I've chosen the ending of the first movie (although in retrospect, Neo pre-ressurection might have been a better choice).

Sorry Yu Law. You're nobody's bitch, I know. But Neo's a pretty big nobody, so yeah.

Nice play on words

[Shroom Man 777]

Agents and Matrix guys were still punching holes through walls and shit. Yu Law was only able to dent his prison cell walls. But maybe that was made with interdimensional super metal or something, and if Yu Law punched something else it would've exploded and we could make quantified calculations on the yield of his kung-pao fists. Whereas Matrix guys aren't just physically breaking things (really, they aren't), but are also dealing with weirdo programming things since they AREN'T breaking things but are just doing weirdo fake-reality hacking.

'Cause if we take the Matrix exploits at face value, then Neo could easily use his stopping bullets trick to stop Yu Law's fist from hitting his face. He could've done that to any of the agents and programs punching him. Certainly, the kinetic energy and the kilometers per deciliter divided by the fraction of c to the square root of the pythagorean theorem's hypothenus would tell us that a bunch of bullets would have more force then bare fist punches, yet Neo can't stop fist punches but can stop bullets for some weirdo reason. Because it's not on a physical reality at all. It IS a fake computer world.

[General Zod]

Agents and Matrix guys were still punching holes through walls and shit. Yu Law was only able to dent his prison cell walls. But maybe that was made with interdimensional super metal or something, and if Yu Law punched something else it would've exploded and we could make quantified calculations on the yield of his kung-pao fists. Whereas Matrix guys aren't just physically breaking things (really, they aren't), but are also dealing with weirdo programming things since they AREN'T breaking things but are just doing weirdo fake-reality hacking.

'Cause if we take the Matrix exploits at face value, then Neo could easily use his stopping bullets trick to stop Yu Law's fist from hitting his face. He could've done that to any of the agents and programs punching him. Certainly, the kinetic energy and the kilometers per deciliter divided by the fraction of c to the square root of the pythagorean theorem's hypothenus would tell us that a bunch of bullets would have more force then bare fist punches, yet Neo can't stop fist punches but can stop bullets for some weirdo reason. Because it's not on a physical reality at all. It IS a fake computer world.

Weren't the walls the Agents punching through mostly concrete and drywall, as opposed to steel? Pretty big difference in density there.

As far as stopping fist punches I assume that's because it's harder to change a self aware program than a static one like a bullet.

[Temujin]

Yeah, just about everything they punched seemed to crumble/explode into dust; no doubt to add impact to the slow mo scenes.

[The Romulan Republic]

Anyway, I wasn't too impressed with Mr. SuperWoah. Despite what we saw at the end of the first film, simple upgraded Agents and the Merovingian's guys gave Neo problems. Out of universe you can call that nerfing as the story wasn't originally designed to be continued, that is until the producers saw the profits. In universe you just have to accept that Neo is not as bad ass as he originally appeared to be. Blowing up agent Smith from the inside out could just have been another cheat code Neo could take advantage of at the time. The fact that we never saw him do it again says he probably can't with more advanced programs/Agents.

There's a very good reason for him not to after the middle of the second film: he knows at that point that doing it turned Smith into a self-replicating rogue.

He'd have to be very stupid to do it again in light of that.

[Shroom Man 777]

As far as stopping fist punches I assume that's because it's harder to change a self aware program than a static one like a bullet.

Yeah, they can mess with bullets and punch concrete to bits, but can't ever exploderize actual people's skulls with their blows. Either that means that there is LITERALLY a character deflector shield, or that Matrix-verse punches aren't DEW but are in fact chain-reaction weapons. I wonder how Neo would fare if he punched steel packing crates.

Seriously though, their punches and shit ARE chain-reaction attacks. Except they don't do chain reaction to molecules, but to programming and shit. The thing they're chain-reactioning is their fake reality. However the fuck that works.

[Temujin]

Anyway, I wasn't too impressed with Mr. SuperWoah. Despite what we saw at the end of the first film, simple upgraded Agents and the Merovingian's guys gave Neo problems. Out of universe you can call that nerfing as the story wasn't originally designed to be continued, that is until the producers saw the profits. In universe you just have to accept that Neo is not as bad ass as he originally appeared to be. Blowing up agent Smith from the inside out could just have been another cheat code Neo could take advantage of at the time. The fact that we never saw him do it again says he probably can't with more advanced programs/Agents.

There's a very good reason for him not to after the middle of the second film: he knows at that point that doing it turned Smith into a self-replicating rogue.

He'd have to be very stupid to do it again in light of that.

Yes but he before he knew that he fought plenty of programs/agents and didn't use that technique. Also, is it clear that that's exactly what caused Smith to change, and do we know if it would have been repeatable with another Agent. Smith seemed a bit unique to begin with, and kind of "out side the box" for an Agent.

[The Romulan Republic]

Yes but he before he knew that he fought plenty of programs/agents and didn't use that technique. Also, is it clear that that's exactly what caused Smith to change, and do we know if it would have been repeatable with another Agent. Smith seemed a bit unique to begin with, and kind of "out side the box" for an Agent.

Your correct that there is no good explanation so far as I am aware for not using it against the Agents at the start of the film.

Though, after his encounter with Smith, even the uncertainty about what its effects would be and weather it had made Smith the way he was might be enough to justify not using it.

[General Zod]

Yes but he before he knew that he fought plenty of programs/agents and didn't use that technique. Also, is it clear that that's exactly what caused Smith to change, and do we know if it would have been repeatable with another Agent. Smith seemed a bit unique to begin with, and kind of "out side the box" for an Agent.

Your correct that there is no good explanation so far as I am aware for not using it against the Agents at the start of the film.

Though, after his encounter with Smith, even the uncertainty about what its effects would be and weather it had made Smith the way he was might be enough to justify not using it.

Maybe when he noticed they were upgrades, what was upgraded was whatever programming sploit let Neo make Smith explode in the first film? If they had that patched up it could have kept neo from using it.

[Rossum]

Hmm...



Round 1 (in the Matrix).

Yulaw: Prepare to die *Yulaw whips out an uzi and shoots at Neo*

Neo: Nu uh... *uses his magic bullet shield to stop the bullet*

*Neo whips out his own uzi and shoots at Yulaw. Yulaw dodges using his cool kun-fu moves*

Neo tries to come up with a new plan but then Yulaw runs him over with a semi truck. This doesn't stop Neo because he starts cheating like a bastard and throws the semi back at Yulaw (and it crashes into an office building and kills a bunch of innocent bystanders) Yulaw fights back but Neo starts flying at supersonic speed and hurling cars around (this also results in thousands of people dying horribly or having their ears explode from the supersonic waves).

The fight ends when Neo causes a tornado and blows up the entire city with his super-flight.

Round 2 (outside the matrix).

Yulaw wakes up, coughs up some blood and unplugs himself from the matrix. He then walks over to where Neo is laying down, yanks the cable from the back of his brain, and starts punching him in the face. Neo has the hand-eye coordination of a jellyfish and gets an all-you-can-eat buffet of knuckle sandwiches.


The final score:
Neo: 1
Yulaw: 1
Everyone else in their immediate area: -1,000,000

[Temujin]

That's pretty much the outcome I first surmised when I saw this thread.

And the video was fucking awesome as always.

[wautd]

Um, Agents inhabit human bodies?

Only human bodies jacked in Machine City though, because they couldn't do it to zionist hippies.

[Darth Yoshi]

Maybe that's a function of all the other cables that we see pop off of Neo? The Zion interfaces are just the single jack to the neck, after all. Really reaching, I know.

Anyway, as awesome as Yulaw is, I will have to go with Neo for this. I'm not so sure that Yulaw would be able to access his abilities within the Matrix. Yulaw's abilities appear to be a fundamental aspect of his multiverse, but the Matrix, barring Agent or Zion hacking, only duplicates what the machines know of physics, which wouldn't include doppelganger powerups.

[Shroom Man 777]

It works. Those other cables are interfaced throughout his body. While, yeah, it's sensible for there to be a tube going into his mouth to feed him, and a tube to his ass to deal with waste, and maybe tubes to the nostrils for him to breathe (if those pods don't use liquid breathing), I'd be willing to bet that those other cables all over their bodies are for regulatory purposes, for other bodily functions and physiological monitoring and feedback. Perhaps that's what makes the Matrix so real for those plugged inside the pods, because not only is there sensor feedback exchange through their skull-cables, but throughout the rest of their bodies too!

[General Zod]

Maybe that's a function of all the other cables that we see pop off of Neo? The Zion interfaces are just the single jack to the neck, after all. Really reaching, I know.

Anyway, as awesome as Yulaw is, I will have to go with Neo for this. I'm not so sure that Yulaw would be able to access his abilities within the Matrix. Yulaw's abilities appear to be a fundamental aspect of his multiverse, but the Matrix, barring Agent or Zion hacking, only duplicates what the machines know of physics, which wouldn't include doppelganger powerups.

Would that even matter for a vs.? We're just talking about one type of super power vs another, so where they come from seems pretty irrelevant.