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[Gurgeh]

Let's say before the destruction of the 12 colonies in the NBSG universe they where whisked away to a new universe and that happens to be the Star Trek universe. What would happen if all of the Colonial fleet and everyone in the 12 colonies where taken from whatever they where doing and placed in the Star Trek universe replacing all of Starfleet and where around earth and several nearby colonies. The timeline for this scenario is set 52 years before the construction of the Enterprise NX-01 how will the forces of NBSG fair in the ST universe at this time period? How will first contact go if they make first contact later? How will technology change in the timeline? How will encounter with the Klingons go in this universe?

[Johonebesus]

So are the Colonials just going to appear on uninhabited planets near to Sol? Does Caprica materialize in a magically stable orbit between Mars and Earth? Do some of the Colonials appear on Earth? All the Colonies were in a single complex system, so suddenly dispersing the population on planets many light years apart would be a big blow, and if they just appeared in the wilderness almost all would die.

[Gurgeh]

No. All of the Colonies and all of the people and everything on them are on earth and surrounding 12 colonies. They also had their fleet teleported as well and all stations.

[Ahriman238]

The Vulcan's sort-of-allies are replaced by a new and militant power? A vulcan fleet fucks up the Colonials before they show up on Caprica to demand answers. When it becomes clear the Colonials know nothing about what happened and aren't a real threat, the Vulcans withdraw to study their FTL tech, but occasionally appear to act really smug.

Without the stabilizing prescence of the earth from the show, the Federation never really gets started and the Romulans effortlessly conquer the Alpha Quadrant. The End.

[lord Martiya]

I'm with Ahriman... Almost: the Xindi would be a problem for the Romulans due their position in the Delphic Expanse (where you have atrocious problems to travel unless you coat your starships with a substance that makes BIOLOGICAL Vulcans go mad), and the Klingons would give them a run for their money. If the Romulans defeat the Klingons in spite of the losses against the Xindi (seriously, I can't expect the Xindi to actually defeat the Romulans, not after the many times they were made a fool of. Especially not after the Romulans realize what provokes the anomalies and lines a couple dozen warbirds before a Sphere and start firing), then they'll be uncontested until the Borg and the Dominion, and by that time they'll be REALLY powerful.

[Ahriman238]

I'm with Ahriman... Almost: the Xindi would be a problem for the Romulans due their position in the Delphic Expanse (where you have atrocious problems to travel unless you coat your starships with a substance that makes BIOLOGICAL Vulcans go mad), and the Klingons would give them a run for their money. If the Romulans defeat the Klingons in spite of the losses against the Xindi (seriously, I can't expect the Xindi to actually defeat the Romulans, not after the many times they were made a fool of. Especially not after the Romulans realize what provokes the anomalies and lines a couple dozen warbirds before a Sphere and start firing), then they'll be uncontested until the Borg and the Dominion, and by that time they'll be REALLY powerful.

The Klingons eventually destroyed their moon trying to maintain an arms race with the Federation. Once the Romulans have conquered the other races, they'll use them to keep producing war material, and the Klingons will be simply unable to keep up. Plus, the Romulans of the Enteprise era mostly played the other AQ powers against each other, and would presumably continue to do so, it's not really hard to do with Klingons. They'd suspect who their real enemy was until a fleet of warbirds decloaked over Qa'nos.

For that matter, it seems likely the Klingons will never acquire cloaking technology.

Now why would the Romulans ever enter the Expanse or have contact with the Xindi? As far as anyone knows or cares, the Expanse is just a really big cloud that some idiots fly into every now and then, and never return. The only reason Enteprise went in is because of the Xindi superweapon, which they only sent because the Spherebuilders foresaw that the Federation would one day ally with the Xindi and destroy them. The Romulans probably would not ally with the Xindi in the future, and if they sent the super weapon nayway, the Romulans would send a small fleet to deal with the problem in a direct and brutal fashion.

Even Trellium-D is not an issue, so long as they have the wits to treat it as a hazardous material.

[lord Martiya]

Without the Federation, the Sphere Builders would find out that beefed-up Romulans would be much worse enemies, and try and send the Xindi against them before it's too late.
About the Klingons... They're not completely stupid, there's a serious probability they'll notice one of the warbird squadrons moving to deal with the Xindi (they and the Vulcans seems to be the only with the technology to at least see the shadow of cloaked ships, at the time). I don't think they'd actually understand WHAT are the squadrons, but once the Expanse disappears and the Xindi survivors start telling the story of the warships painted with birds of prey chasing them they're bound to notice there's an unknown or grossly underestimated race with the power and the will to destroy the Xindi. What they'll do with that knowledge, I don't know: they could either stop squabble to rearm and fight once Vulcan ships starts being painted green with birds of prey, or waste their military power in some civil war in spite of it (Archer's first job was to stop one, I remember), and depending on that they could be the only thing between the Romulans and the conquest of the Alpha Quadrant or an anticlimathic conquest.

[Metahive]

The Klingons eventually destroyed their moon trying to maintain an arms race with the Federation.

Nitpick, it wasn't their overblown military budget that caused Praxis to blow up but their blatant disregard for safety precautions. What their excessive military budget did was hampering their effort to deal with the clean-up.