TSAB jurisdiction question

[HioH]

The TSAB touts itselfs as a multidimensional "police" force that claims jurdistiction over any case involving lost logia. Lost logia being broadly defined as any piece of "ancient" powerful technology.

My question is how does this translate to jurisdiction on non-administrated planets, i know that in the show this is possible because no one on the Planet can detected them but this leads to the unfortunate implication that EVERY planet that can detect them is a part of the TSAB. Secondly how do they handle cases where a lost logia is in use or even the basis of a society, will they be allowed to keep it, even if it is used in conflicts? wouldnt our nuclear weponry be counted as a "lost logia"?

Also it is imlied that all societies that leave their solar system are using magitech or atleast sufficently anylzied magic, so what would be the TSAB's reaction to a purely tech based society? Infact, what with mass weaponry being the devil on Mid-Childa, what would be their reaction to a race using mass drivers or things like railguns?

On unadministrated planets. It seems they always speak of them as if they are temporary and when a planet discovers the "great and gloriouspower of magic" they will all line up to join the TSAB like good little drones or be assimilated in a rain of Arc-en-ciel's and Divine busters, all for the Greater Good of course. in that line of thought why do they assume that when a society discovers magic it will discard all other tech and not even attempt to integrate it into their existing tech base?

(dont know if this should be in magic forum, but seeing its about the sociopolitcs not the magic i placed it here )

[Stark]

I really don't think Magical Girl Nanoha is scifi, or that anyone is going to know what the fuck you're talking about.

[kilopi505]

I think it is better if you try asking this in Spacebattles.com, the Creative Writing section, the Index subsection. You will get people who know MGLN and Sci-Fi to answer this question.

[Broken]

I really don't think Magical Girl Nanoha is scifi, or that anyone is going to know what the fuck you're talking about.

I don't know, especially by Strikers Nanoha is basically a Gundum in a dress (although that was half the concept of the series from the start), so it is pretty well scifi .

As for the OP's questions, unless there is Japanese language material that covers those type of background details (which is quite possible) I don't think the answer to any of your questions have been officially answered. Given that we know the lost logia are powerful enough to destroy entire civilizations and devastate multiple dimensions, there are excellent reasons to keep an eye out for them and take aggressive action to prevent them from being used in a harmful manner. This danger is woven into their cultural background with tales of the Al-Hazred disaster. After all, improper use of some lost logia risks the destruction of not only your planet and its population but those in entirely different dimensions that may not be even aware of your experiments. I don't think Earth's nuclear arsenal would be considered lost logia, merely a dangerous bit of conventional/mass-based technology. Something to be concerned about, but not enough to risk involvement in a unadministrated world.

A pure tech-based society would not be well received by the powers that be in the TSAB or likely the population of those worlds in general. The Ancient/Old Belkan War (which by some sources/fan-translations was only 300 years ago) involved large-scale use of mass-based weaponry and resulted in the destruction of the Belkan Empire, the destruction (it is unclear if this was a physical destruction or "merely" complete ecosystem destruction, making it uninhabitable) of the Belkan homeworld, and was apparently such a traumatic experience that they changed the calender to a pre/post Belkan War dating system. A church/religion, the Sankt Kaiser church, even grew up around the mythos of one of the prime rulers of that era, who (iirc) was instrumental in ending the war. If you really want to get grimdark in how you process some scenes in Strikers, to this day there are large areas of Mid-Childa's capital city that are derelict and appear abandoned/uninhabited indicating massive population loss while someone was able hide a massive warship on another part of the same planet's surface (not quite Palpatine's hiding of an Executor-class on Coruscant, but no easy feat). I never got the impression that the TSAB was a huge organization or that a huge number of worlds were part of their society. So the complete loss of a single world, which was likely the capital as well, would be a huge shock to them. This is not the Galactic Empire with a million member worlds, but even then look at the reaction to the destruction of Alderaan. Now imagine the complete loss of Coruscant on a society one-thousandth as large. A newly discovered society with the capability to recreate the horrors of that era would be surely heavily pressured at the very least to join their society-wide ban on such weaponry/technology.

We have no idea what process is involved with sufficiently advanced unadministrated worlds that contact the TSAB and how/if they are incorporated into the multi-dimensional society the TSAB is part of. Given the troubles the Ground Forces went through in Strikers and their implied weakness next to the naval/air forces of their society, I would say it's a fair bet they don't go around forcibly conquering and occupying new worlds.

The society of Mid-Childa and the TSAB worlds use magitech fairly exclusively because it appears to be safer, cleaner, and more stable then conventional technology. There is also the cultural baggage of the Old Belkan War where their society has clearly made a determined effort to alter their tech-base and prevent the possibility of a second great war that would perhaps rend even more worlds into desolate wastelands.

[Vendetta]

Given the cavalier nature of the TSAB most of the rest of the time, I wouldn't be surprised if their jurisdiction is basically wherever they decide it is.

Also it is imlied that all societies that leave their solar system are using magitech or atleast sufficently anylzied magic, so what would be the TSAB's reaction to a purely tech based society? Infact, what with mass weaponry being the devil on Mid-Childa, what would be their reaction to a race using mass drivers or things like railguns?

No-one really leaves their solar system. All travel is interdimensional, not interstellar. In fact, we've never known any of their ships to operate outside of orbit when in realspace.

On unadministrated planets. It seems they always speak of them as if they are temporary and when a planet discovers the "great and gloriouspower of magic" they will all line up to join the TSAB like good little drones or be assimilated in a rain of Arc-en-ciel's and Divine busters, all for the Greater Good of course. in that line of thought why do they assume that when a society discovers magic it will discard all other tech and not even attempt to integrate it into their existing tech base?

Non-administrated planets seem to be those without a sufficiently broad base of magical talent to be worth serious interest (or ones that are outright unpopulated). Midchilda is distinct from Earth in that magical talent there is extremely commonplace but the power of any given mage is generally quite low. Earth, on the other hand, produces individuals with magical powers very rarely, but those powers are very strong when they do manifest. (Which seems to mean basically nothing without intense training and usually access to a Device)

A pure tech-based society would not be well received by the powers that be in the TSAB or likely the population of those worlds in general.

More likely it would be dealt with in exactly the same way Earth was. Mostly ignored as irrelevant except for a listening station that monitored for and recruited any magical talents that did pop up (like Gil Graham and some ancestor of Subaru's).

[Ford Prefect]

I really don't think Magical Girl Nanoha is scifi

It has spaceships, robots, cyborgs, all the 'magic' is just strange technology etc. If Star Wars is science fiction, so is this.

i know that in the show this is possible because no one on the Planet can detected them but this leads to the unfortunate implication that EVERY planet that can detect them is a part of the TSAB.

Does it? The series doesn't really venture outside of Earth and Midchilda (unless it does in FORCE). They're able to operate freely on Earth because we're so backwards we can't do anything about them, but one imagines that the whole situation would have been a lot different if we were in the same ballpark technologically.

Also it is imlied that all societies that leave their solar system are using magitech or atleast sufficently anylzied magic, so what would be the TSAB's reaction to a purely tech based society?

'lol still got a long way to go guys'.

[Vehrec]

i know that in the show this is possible because no one on the Planet can detected them but this leads to the unfortunate implication that EVERY planet that can detect them is a part of the TSAB.

Does it? The series doesn't really venture outside of Earth and Midchilda (unless it does in FORCE). They're able to operate freely on Earth because we're so backwards we can't do anything about them, but one imagines that the whole situation would have been a lot different if we were in the same ballpark technologically.

Indeed. If the TSAB were to find, for instance, Ar Ciel, they probably would not receive a very warm welcome if they attempted to shut down the local Lost Logia, since several of them are worshiped as goddesses and/or strategic weapons systems. When major policy-setters are the very thing you're trying to get rid of, odds are the world won't integrate peacefully. And when said major policy setting personalities are cyborgs with anti-continent weapons hooked up to their brains...

[Ford Prefect]

Impliedly they don't have any real rivals, in the sense that there's no one still around who really matches them technologically. A lot of Midchildan politics seemed to be informed by the Saint Church (ie. that Church chick had similar authority to Chrono in regards to reducing Hayate's limiter, which was a big deal), which might have something to do with how they have their own stock of Devices. They obviously can't project power in the same way as the TSAB, so it's all domestic.