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This is an extremely rough idea for a vampire I had thought of, so I was wondering what do you guys think. *warning very soft scifi ahead*



Alien Vampires

This was one of my earliest ideas. Vampires are extra-terrestial lifeforms or more accurately the disease that causes vampirism is extra-terrestial in nature nothing like it exists on this planet even trying to define which kingdom it belongs in is tricky as it has a few characteristcs of all of them. Many theories exist on what it is and why it's here some say its an alien microorganism that arrived on this planet through a comet impact a hundred thousand years ago, some believe its a divine curse, others believe its a bio-weapon created by an alien empire that somehow found its way to earth or a deliberate attempt by extra-terrestials to seed the planet with life or colonize it, some have even claimed to have found "alien vampire artifacts" or even a "vampire ship" buried in Antartica, another theory is that they are actually some ancient lifeform that has been developing on Earth before what we think of as life ever existed.

Whatever the case no one truly knows. What is known is that vampirism spreads by infection typically just a bite or in very rare cases a scratch is enough to infect someone and within days it mutates the infected into an enitrely different lifeform with a completely different physiology, and both animals and humans can be infected. Vampires are predators that need blood to survive but despite being bloodthirsty monsters they are also highly intelligent and have their own societies as they typically remove themselves from human society, currently I don't have any ideas for their society but their societies are typically organized by age and personal power with the oldest and strongest being the leaders. The oldest known vampire is Lilith (I know super stereotypical vampire queen name some suggestions would be nice) she is believed to be around 100,000 years old commonly referred to as simply Mother, being the first vampire, much of what is known about her comes from legend and myth but she is believed to be insanely powerful and currently in hibernation. What is strange is that it seems that vampires are just now appearing almost as if they died out and someone reawoke them. Vampires are universally hated by nearly everything on the planet due to their alien orgins making animals uncomfortable in their presence to the point they will attack or run in fear from any vampires nearby, humans typically feel extremely uncomfortable and feelings of hate when they are nearby and many governments around the world are starting to acknowledge their existence and actively fight against the vampires sometimes all the way to the scale of all out war in an effort to stop them from potentially destroying the planet, many other "supernatural" beings living on Earth like werewolves (I was thinking of including other super-powered beings as well) also recognize the threat the vampire invasion possesses and actively hunt down any vampires they come across.

Appearance:

The effects of vampirism are highly variable but typically quite visible and these are some of the most common signs.
Simple explaination: Vampires can range from looking almost like supermodels/greek gods and goddesses except with a few alien signs like razorsharp teeth, extremely pale skin that looks like death, alien eyes, a few other bits of wierdness etc. to mutant zombie alien monsters or all the way to something that looks like The Thing in monster form or the Necromorphs or the infected from the game Prototype. Typically however their teeth become all razor sharp fangs for tearing flesh and their tongues turn into a blood sucking device. Eyes are notably different though the effects are variable a simple way of describing their eyes is simply alien. Skin tends to become pale and corpse-like, and a variety of alien features can show up.

Appearance can be quite monstrous
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Or they can look beautiful and relatively normal.
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Abilities/Powers:

(Newborn vampires are significantly weaker than Elders, as time passes the vampire infection rapidly evolves its host making it more powerful)

enhanced intelligence- Vampires are known to be highly intelligent, quick thinking individuals as their transformation actually dramatically boosts intelligence and mental speed, with some becoming omnisavant geniuses. (newborn vampires only recieve a very slight hardly noticeable boost in intelligence, Elders are the ones who seem to be omnisavant geniuses)
superhuman strength- Vampire biology is completely different than anything on Earth they have the power to power their muscles for a short period of time to levels hundreds to even a couple of thousand times stronger than any human allowing them to blow men and trees apart with a single kick, punch through solid steel and concrete like zyrofoam, or lift and throw multi-ton objects. As vampires age they become stronger newborns maybe capable of tearing a man apart with ease but an Elder can punch through armor.
superhuman speed- Vampires can also enhance their mental and physical speed for a short period of time allowing them to dodge gunfire at point-blank ranges or run at speeds in the hundreds of km/hr.
superhuman durability Enhanced strength comes with increased durability so their bodies will not come apart when they use their strength, some have likened their flesh to the toughness of iron. Also with their alien biology things like being shot and stabbed repeatedly or even decapitation will only slow them down as they can survive for quite some time without most of their organs, their bodies have to be totally annihilated to truly kill them (think the thing). Vampires are naturally immune to poison and disease as well, and highly resistant to freezing, electrocution, pain, and fear.
regeneration- Vampires are capable of recovering from injuries extremely quickly gunshots and stabwounds can be healed in seconds to minutes depending on the severity, even dismemberment or the destruction of the brain may only take a few minutes to hours to heal and at most a few nights of rest. They need to be starved or totally destroyed to prevent regeneration
superhuman senses- Vampires are very perceptive and possess some amazing sensory abilities. They can smell blood more than a mile away, their eyesight is as sharp as that of an Eagle, they can see in near-total darkness, they can track a man just on the sound of his heartbeating, and many possess sonar abilities, and infrared vision.
infection- Vampires are completely incapable of reproducing sexually but just from a simple bite they can transform someone into a vampire in days.
telepathy- Many vampires possess the ability to speak to each other by directly linking their thoughts together. It is theorized that Mother if she were to awaken would have the ability to telepathically link her mind to every vampire on Earth fully taking control over them.

As Vampires age they become vastly more powerful and gain access to their hidden blood powers passed down to them from Lilith. The older the vampire the more powerful these powers become.
shapeshifting the ability for vampires to completely reshape their flesh and bone at will (think tzimisce, necromorphs, and the thing to a limited extent). Shapeshifting can allow Vampires to sprout bat-like wings to fly, grow more muscle for increased strength, maybe if they want grow tentacles, whatever they can think of. This ability is extremely difficult to learn, requires alot of intelligence (you need to have a strong grasp on biology if you want to do it right), alot of blood, time, and pain so much pain to do correctly. Shapeshifting is also a bit limited for example Vampires can't turn into bats as bats are far smaller than they are but they can fly by redesigning their muscles lengthening their arms and growing leathery flaps of skin creating wings, shapeshifting is also often imprecise so using it to impersonate someone isn't usually going to go well. Some vampires with extreme shapeshifting control can turn their bodies into a liquid form and still be in control (the Blob). More powerful Elders can infect others with their blood and reshape their bodies into any form they can imagine.
Liquification Some of the older more powerful vampires can liquefy their prey turning it into a bloody biomass soup in which they can drink from.
Blood manipulation- the blood of a vampire is a fascinating thing somehow vampires can change the properties of their blood on the fly making them more alien scientists believe their blood is actually some form of advanced organic nanomachines. They can turn their blood into corrosive acid or manipulate it to turn it into a horrific poison or drug which can have almost any chemical effect. Even turning their blood into a solid mass like a sword, bullet, or whip that can slice through metal is something they have been observed doing.
Energy manipulation- Somehow some Elder vampires have the ability to tap into the Earth's magnetic field and can use that energy and focus it to perform a task (think living tesla weapon) like instantly incinerate soldiers or manipulate and control lightning, even create magnetic force fields or develop what appears to be telekinesis by using magnetic energy to lift objects.
Mind control- Elder vampires can feed their blood to the target they want to control their blood then develops into a parasite that infects the target's nervous system and brain and its affects can range from making the target more docile, and suggestable to manipulating the firing patters of neurons to control them all the way to completely rewiring the brain.
necromancy- Elder vampires can use their blood to raise the dead as long as something is left of the corpse they can rebuild its body and control it like a puppet.

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(these are the same as the Strigoi I created earlier I know)
Blood Thirst- Vampires are forever cursed to feel perpetual hunger as they require literally gallons of blood (around 1 - 4) a night to stay healthy and sane (if they don't feed they will go into an insane frenzy and within days will get gradually weaker until finally their bodies totally shut down and they go into hibernation) and even then they can't truly slake their thirst for blood as they will be always wanting more. Blood is like a drug for them just the scent of blood makes them wild. Also they are incapable of eating any other type of food except blood everything else is immediately thrown up, fortunately they aren't restricted to any one source of blood: animals and humans are all fair game if it bleeds they can drink it. Vampires can also feed on fresh, raw meat but meat is still no substitute for blood. Some older vampires can liquefy their prey turning their entire body into blood which can keep them fed for quite awhile.
insanity- Most Vampires will develop a crippling mental disorder of some sort its just the nature of the curse with the most common being schizophrenia.
Berserk Frenzy Starvation, extreme pain, extreme fear, extreme rage can all force vampires into a frenzied state where the monstrous vampiric subconscious mind takes over the rational more human mind turning the vampire into a raging beast that is only concerned with survival and food. Interestingly enough the more evil the vampire the more powerful the raging beast becomes until it eventually completely takes over removing the smallest trace of humanity the vampire has left so a Jeffrey Dahmer vampire will probably just be a raging beast that needs to be put down while a Mother Teresa vampire will be able to maintain their composure and think fairly rationally. (I know I got this straight from White Wolf but its a pretty good concept and a common concept as well)
Sunlight Vampires fear the sun for good reason to, exposure to UV radiation causes immense radiation poisoning and they will be cooked alive in just minutes or in rare cases an hour or two till death. Even simple UV lights can hurt them or if particularly powerful become lethal.
Day- Vampires are strictly nocturnal predators so during the day they are typically asleep if they decide to be active during the day their powers will be greatly weakened and they will require more blood to function.
Fire- While not actually a weaknesses as they aren't any more vulnerable to fire than any regular human they also have no resistances to fire and burn wounds take longer to heal.
Unnatural Presence- Due to their alien nature vampires are universally hated by nearly everything, no one feels comfortable being anywhere near one so they are fairly easy to spot.
Silver Very pure silver burns their flesh so silver weapons make excellent anti-vampire weapons as it will poison them and create wounds that are harder to heal from.
Endurance Despite their incredible power, vampires typically have very poor endurance. They require far more food to survive, they have a metabolism like a hummingbird so can "die" of starvation quite quickly, they can't run for hours on end, humans can fight each other in a hand to hand match that can last almost an hour, vampires only a few minutes before either someone has been torn limb from limb or they are both too tired to go on.
extremely dense Vampire bodies are extremely dense (how else would they have super strength) so things like swimming has become impossible for them as they will just sink into the water. They are also alot easier to detect as a sudden increase in mass without growing fatter will cause people to know something is suspicious.
body heat in addition to being extremely dense contrary to popular belief vampires aren't actually cold as corpses when active a vampire's body temperature actually far exceeds that of most normal animals so they require cooler environments to function, their body temperature does however fluctuate alot and in order to conserve resources when inactive (hibernating or in a greatly weakened low energy state) their body temperature drops to that of room temperature.
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Quite interresting.

I am unsure as to why you'd want a "mother"? AvP already did this with the Queen. Do you really need a queen vamp?

Remember that you are having a parasite manipulate human DNA and biology. I would scoff at the idea that a parasite could allow lifting multi ton objects or punch through concrete walls. Something more akin would be to increase their strength to that of chimps or even gorillas. Same with the other super human attributes.

Why use shapeshifting? Doesn't follow from your parasitic invasion scenario.

You are using too many of the "undead" aspects of the myth versus a full on extra-terrestrial parasite aspect that would more exploit your original concept.

Telepathy? Really?

Just doesn't make sense to have them be necrotic. If you want to really redefine a vampire...think of other crazy shit. Don't just rehash the same mythos and ONLY come up with a different "first creation" scenario.
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I'm having a hard time reconciling a creature with super dense, incredibly tough skin, an incredible healing rate, and the ability to shapeshift and alter the basic chemical makeup of its body, being rapidly killed by a small amount of UV light. Biologically speaking, blocking UV is not difficult. Why can't they just alter their skin to reflect or block UV, or secrete some kind of natural sunsceen, or just change their body chemistry to get rid of those molecules that are easily broken down by UV? If they can turn their blood into a living metal sword, sunblock should not be a challenge.

I'm have a really, really hard time buying a creature the size of a human, but much heavier, that can grow wings and fly. I don't care how strong your alien vampire muscles are, the amount of wing surface you require gets impractical fast. They'd have to end up looking less like a giant bat, more like a biological hangglider or something.
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Ellindsey wrote:I'm have a really, really hard time buying a creature the size of a human, but much heavier, that can grow wings and fly.
Here is a good discussion regarding the viability of a fying humaniod. In order for sci-fi...it just needs to be plausible...not necessarily possible.

I for one, don't have an issue with it.
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The art is really awesome.
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damn I thought you ment Space Vampires
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khursed wrote:The art is really awesome.
Quite right there...I completely agree.
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:damn I thought you ment Space Vampires
Ok...now I've just learned something new. Never knew the movie Lifeforce was based off that book. Very cool!
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Ellindsey wrote:I'm having a hard time reconciling a creature with super dense, incredibly tough skin, an incredible healing rate, and the ability to shapeshift and alter the basic chemical makeup of its body, being rapidly killed by a small amount of UV light. Biologically speaking, blocking UV is not difficult. Why can't they just alter their skin to reflect or block UV, or secrete some kind of natural sunsceen, or just change their body chemistry to get rid of those molecules that are easily broken down by UV? If they can turn their blood into a living metal sword, sunblock should not be a challenge.

I'm have a really, really hard time buying a creature the size of a human, but much heavier, that can grow wings and fly. I don't care how strong your alien vampire muscles are, the amount of wing surface you require gets impractical fast. They'd have to end up looking less like a giant bat, more like a biological hangglider or something.
Actually their skin is just as tough as any normal person's skin (if it was insanely tough they probably couldn't move) but so they can survive the forces exerted on their body when they use their incredible strength their bodies are made alot more dense.

I probably need to dramatically cut down their blood manipulation and shapeshifting abilities though, and cut down on the strength and speed. As for why they can't survive UV radiation I was thinking of it being a defect created from their unique body chemistry that they can't change where their bodies are just insanely weak to radiation making sunlight lethal to them. Unfortunately at the moment I can't think of any creature that weak to radiation perhaps the parasite infecting them came from a world that didn't need a sun (geothermal?) so became very vulnerable to radiation?

As for powered flight probably not possible or at least they'll make poor fliers maybe gliding would be better?
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yeah telepathy isn't a good power any suggestions on something that seems actually alien? As for shapeshifting I was liked the idea of shapeshifting vampiric shapeshifting isn't like what you see in the movies though its not like they can take the form of a bat, wolf, or man but they can reshape their flesh and bone into any form they see fit like a controlled mutation think of Dead Space Necromorphs and their ability to shapeshift now imagine that power under your conscious control.
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gamer wrote: @cadbrowser
yeah telepathy isn't a good power any suggestions on something that seems actually alien?
I'm sorry...actually; telepathic communication IS a staple of sci-fi alien abilities. I retract my statement. But, in the film ID4, the aliens developed telepathy because they didn't have vocal cords; so their evolution requred some other way to com with their kind. With that said however, I would much more prefer a mechanism (even a total sci-fi bs one) that allows them to telepathically link to humans.

Do they manipulate the Alpha/Beta brain waves. If they do that, then they could conceivably also Mind Control them...implant suggestions and etcetera.

Again referencing ID4; the alien wraped it's tentacles around Dr. Sook (?) in order to manipulate his vocal cords and (I'm assuming speech area of the brain). Of course it could be argued that the alien wasn't manipulating the vocal cords, just holding him up by the neck. I'm still in the dark about that.
Ellindsey wrote:-Biologically speaking, blocking UV is not difficult. Why can't they just alter their skin to reflect or block UV, or secrete some kind of natural sunsceen, or just change their body chemistry to get rid of those molecules that are easily broken down by UV? If they can turn their blood into a living metal sword, sunblock should not be a challenge.
But then you require a detraction from the essence that is a Vampire! Course being that they are from another planet, possibly orbiting a dark star or something to that effect to explain their succeptablity (sp?) to sunlight. Also since they are aliens the wouldn't know about sunscreen if you take the Dark Star approach.

Food for thought.
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Maybe their parasitic nature on their home world when combined in a human host body strips away melatonin and vitamin D? Not sure how to word that correctly...but do you understand what I'm getting at?
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With the vampires hating sunlight thing, I always figured that supernatural reasons (like: the sun is the source of all life and magically kills the undead) were better than things like UV rays. If these are aliens (sorry, didn't read the whole OP) perhaps they are adapted to living with a different sun? Like a red giant or dwarf star or whatever. When they appear on Earth or any other alien planet they instinctively get messes up due to the "creepy blue sky and that weird yellow sun". It's not so much a biological reaction to the UV rays or whatever and more a psychological reaction to being on a world with a sky so different from their native planet. And the light the sun produces is different along with the colors that plants adapted to make use of it.

They are just fine on days with cloudy overcast skies or at night when the stars are out. But when the day comes and sky turns blue and the yellow sun shines then it messes them up somehow. Like triggers the weirdness sensors in their brain and makes them unable to communicate telepathically or do other complex freaky alien stuff. They are somehow okay with artificial lighting and technology but encountering direct sunlight and green plants bothers them due to the alienness of it. Or maybe on their home planet the only green things were deadly or poison and their own sun was dangerous? Our sun might not be that harmful to them but all the time they spent either on a planet whos sunlight kills them or in the depths of space with no sun at all have made the possibility of a big glowing sun psychologically terrifying on an instinctual level.


So... the aliens come from a planet where the sun is burning hot to a degree that nothing could stand against it. Forests would grow at night, soaking up water and nutrients, then during the day the deadly sun would appear and burn everything. The few living creatures learned to fear the sun and stay inside, competition among animals resulted in super advanced animals who survived by manipulating other animals and live till they became intelligent and the dominant species. Then they build building that can protect them from the sun, then build ships and the like. So they escape to other worlds.

The alien vampires that reach earth are thus descended from an entire ecosystem and culture that believes that the sun will kill them and strip the flesh from their bones if they run into it. Net result is that if these vampires encounter the sun it starts triggering their survival instincts and they have to run for cover to avoid having panic attacks (if they are telepathic then they could have actual memories of all the vampires back home who died screaming as the sun was killing them). Only a few of these vampires are able to overcome their fear of the sun and they are usually very experienced or intelligent in some way.
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Rossum wrote:With the vampires hating sunlight thing, I always figured that supernatural reasons (like: the sun is the source of all life and magically kills the undead) were better than things like UV rays. If these are aliens (sorry, didn't read the whole OP) perhaps they are adapted to living with a different sun? Like a red giant or dwarf star or whatever. When they appear on Earth or any other alien planet they instinctively get messes up due to the "creepy blue sky and that weird yellow sun". It's not so much a biological reaction to the UV rays or whatever and more a psychological reaction to being on a world with a sky so different from their native planet. And the light the sun produces is different along with the colors that plants adapted to make use of it.
For movies like Blade and stuff, there is a reason the supernatural is somewhat reduced in favor of trying to come up with the whole scientific UV thing : Xeroderma pigmentosum

Yes, they are aliens...that's why I suggested the whole Dark Star concept. Maybe the habitated planet orbiting this Dark Star has a source of internal heating so that energy from a star like our sun is not required : Example.

Which if they came from a rogue planet (like in the example) that was Jupiter or larger size, then wouldn't they be able to produce some amazing feats in a Earth gravity situation? You can at least somewhat explain their apparent supernatural physical abilities that way.
Rossum wrote:They are just fine on days with cloudy overcast skies or at night when the stars are out. They are somehow okay with artificial lighting and technology...
Would they happen to sparkle too? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
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cadbrowser wrote:
Rossum wrote:With the vampires hating sunlight thing, I always figured that supernatural reasons (like: the sun is the source of all life and magically kills the undead) were better than things like UV rays. If these are aliens (sorry, didn't read the whole OP) perhaps they are adapted to living with a different sun? Like a red giant or dwarf star or whatever. When they appear on Earth or any other alien planet they instinctively get messes up due to the "creepy blue sky and that weird yellow sun". It's not so much a biological reaction to the UV rays or whatever and more a psychological reaction to being on a world with a sky so different from their native planet. And the light the sun produces is different along with the colors that plants adapted to make use of it.
For movies like Blade and stuff, there is a reason the supernatural is somewhat reduced in favor of trying to come up with the whole scientific UV thing : Xeroderma pigmentosum

Yes, they are aliens...that's why I suggested the whole Dark Star concept. Maybe the habitated planet orbiting this Dark Star has a source of internal heating so that energy from a star like our sun is not required : Example.

Which if they came from a rogue planet (like in the example) that was Jupiter or larger size, then wouldn't they be able to produce some amazing feats in a Earth gravity situation? You can at least somewhat explain their apparent supernatural physical abilities that way.
Rossum wrote:They are just fine on days with cloudy overcast skies or at night when the stars are out. They are somehow okay with artificial lighting and technology...
Would they happen to sparkle too? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
I like the Dark Star idea it would make at least some sense in regards to their weaknesses to UV radiation. Artificial lighting wouldn't be too much of a problem unless its a UV lamp those would burn vampires as well. I don't think it would matter if the parasite came from a high g planet or a low g planet.
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gamer wrote:I like the Dark Star idea it would make at least some sense in regards to their weaknesses to UV radiation. Artificial lighting wouldn't be too much of a problem unless its a UV lamp those would burn vampires as well. I don't think it would matter if the parasite came from a high g planet or a low g planet.
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The UV lamp worked in 30 Days of Night rather well.

True with regards to the parasite story arc. But, if you went with actual humaniod beings from said Jupiter sized planet orbiting a dark star, then you could essentialy handwave the superhuman like abilities rather than trying to come up with a sci-fi variant for how this parasite changes the phisiology (sp?) and biology of humans on earth.

What that would also do is open up sequels to "their" world and other life forms from that planet or something.

Just a thought.
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cadbrowser wrote: Would they happen to sparkle too? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Ugh, well you did apologize so I can't hold it against you.

I never read the Twilight series but I have read about 3/4 of the 'Luminosity' fanfic which I admit is pretty interesting but gets into the stupid rationality wanking and (ugh) "vegetarian vampires".

They eat animals instead of human, I get it. Just call them 'carnivores' instead of 'hunters' and it works out but 'vegetarian'? Ugh, sorry... it just gets me.

Anyway, I suppose UV weakness works as well but you'd think a smart vampire would just wear heavy clothes or sunblock for UV protection if that was the case. A deep rooted psychological fear of the sun sounds more like a weakness to me.
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Just know I can take it as well as I dish it out...so anytime the tables are turned...I will most likely laugh as hard.

I don't know about the Twilight books, but the movies suck out loud. They made me want to sharpen a pencil and shove it right in my eye. Worst part is, I have seen all four (yes, I'm a glutton for punishment) hoping they would get better.

Really? a veggie vamp? OMG...I don't even want to continue that talk. How aweful!

The fear angle is an interresting one...eventually tho they would most likely overcome that fear. Course, if they are space traveling then it would be assumed that they'd know what any sun is and not really have a fear. Unless they were a primitive "slave" race abducted from a dark star solar system that were kept in the bowels of a galaxy class ship where then they overthrew their captors (another alien race?) and crash landed on earth in the earth's past or something like that.

Then they would have an extreme fear of the sun/daylight. Course it's gamers call tho.
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Rossum wrote:
cadbrowser wrote: Would they happen to sparkle too? :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.
Ugh, well you did apologize so I can't hold it against you.

I never read the Twilight series but I have read about 3/4 of the 'Luminosity' fanfic which I admit is pretty interesting but gets into the stupid rationality wanking and (ugh) "vegetarian vampires".

They eat animals instead of human, I get it. Just call them 'carnivores' instead of 'hunters' and it works out but 'vegetarian'? Ugh, sorry... it just gets me.

Anyway, I suppose UV weakness works as well but you'd think a smart vampire would just wear heavy clothes or sunblock for UV protection if that was the case. A deep rooted psychological fear of the sun sounds more like a weakness to me.
What about both a weakness to UV and a fear of sunlight? That way it makes more sense. Since they are afraid of something that can actually hurt them. Also yeah wearing heavy clothes should protect against UV radiation but you will look a bit odd covering your entire body from head to toe like wearing a helmet with a super tinted visor and a suit with gloves and boots. Sunscreen wouldn't help much if UV radiation is actually lethal to you since sunscreen doesn't actually block all sunlight.

For feeding I do think it's kinda silly to make vampires have to feed on humans what's so special about human blood? But to keep them dangerous and scary and realistic at the same time vampires would have to drink a gallon or more blood a night to stay healthy and sane so while it doesn't have to be human blood if they are feeling hungry constantly and around humans, humans could find themselves on the menu.
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I like that, combining the fear and danger. If you went with gamma rays instead of UV, then no amount of protection would matter. But then again, I'm not sure night time would either...lol I'd have to do research on that for sure.

It's not that human blood is special...it's just downright scary.
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Heh, my deal with the "vegetarian vampires" thing isn't that they eat vegetables or that not eating humans does anything bad. It's that Luminosity Belle becomes a vampire with freaky super-speed and strength and no need to breath, then goes around killing deer, carabu, moose, and mother-effing ORCA WHALES and calls herself a 'vegetarian vampire' with the smug superiority of someone who bought a T-shirt that says "Go green" on it. She's also got Alice who uses her forsight to play the stock market (meaning the family has billions of dollers or whatever) and they don't bother buying a butcher shop to harvest blood from.

Oh, and her huge Rational plan is to take over the world, convert all vampires to 'vegetarianism', and then turn all humans into vamires cuz of immortality being awesome.

So... yeah, her big pro-human plan is to turn everyone into super predators so they can eat every last animal on the planet or some bullshit. And she says it all with a straight face and calls herself vegan. Dammit.

Anyway, yeah it would make sense for vampires hurt by the sun to fear it. I also got the brainstorm that maybe the vampie plague is a sort of beneficial organism. Like the base aliens are like gorillas but they got infected with a blood born pathogen that gives telepathy and increased intelligence. The germs have limited intelligence themselves but mostly increase their hosts powers and implant thoughts and survival data into them while allowing telepathic communication. The base germs alone infect a person and give basic stuff like 'fear the sun', 'infect the blood of others', and 'eat red meat and blood to fuel your growth'. But when several vampires are in the same area they can share thoughts and it boosts their intelligence, tactics, and charisma.

So vampires get increased power from the infection, but the disease itself is kind of stupid and keeps reminding them to fear the sun and drink blood. The disease just wants to propagate while increasing its hosts survivability while the vampires have their own things they want to do.

Could even be that the diseases origional hosts die in UV while humans don't, but the disease keeps yelling at its human hosts whenever they step outside.
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Rossum wrote:Could even be that the diseases origional hosts die in UV while humans don't, but the disease keeps yelling at its human hosts whenever they step outside.
I like where you are going with this. There is a parasite that reprograms the brain of a grasshopper to jump into water so it can spawn it's young. So you could have something like this that reprograms the brain of the human to run/hide from sunlight.

That sounds like it'd be a great climax/ending to the story is that a human discoveres that once one of these vampires are exposed to sunlight that the parasitic organism dies thereby curing the human.
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Playing on the alien vampire idea what if vampirism spread quickly like a plague, and if it's alien it makes sense if could infect more than just humans so things like vampire dogs (hellhounds?) would be popping up sound good? Making it sort of like an alien, vampire, zombie style story. People without a strong willpower have their minds completely taken over by the infection turning them into extremely aggressive mutated (with their minds gone to the infection they lose control over their shapeshifting abilities) ghoulish monstrosities only concerned with consuming blood and preserving their own lives. Those who can resist are typically driven slowly insane but for the most part have the ability to control their own bodies making them far more powerful and far more intelligent than the more simple-minded ghouls with their own society and ability to use telepathy for communication, more powerful ones could probably use telepathy as a sort of mind control allowing them to control the ghouls.

I like the idea of a parasite infecting a person's mind making them afraid of sunlight I guess a way of doing so would be to turn on the pain receptors when UV radiation contacts with the skin, but also UV radiation causing radiation poisoning and burning would really make the sun scary but maybe it shouldn't be lethal just a way to weaken them during the day.
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What about something on their skin (like their sweet) reacts with sunlight or even high temperatures, and causes them to burst into flame?
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Solauren wrote:What about something on their skin (like their sweet) reacts with sunlight or even high temperatures, and causes them to burst into flame?
I don't think that would make much sense not that vampires don't make sense already. The extreme fear of sunlight, plus the painful but typically non-lethal burning from UV radiation and ease of radiation sickness from just UV light should be enough.

I could see these being standard vampire hunting weapons with that idea though.
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Since they are aliens what about also having the ability to grow and use advanced biotech like creating underground hives and such? But then again that may not make too much sense.
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