40K Fluff rumours

[weemadando]

Some folks who follow this stuff closer than I have been talking about how the new edition will apparently have the Imperium actually fracturing and collapsing and Chapters starting to either go "independent" to protect their own segmentums/interests or go against Terra entirely as they feel that many of the wars against the "friendlier" Xenos are wasteful given the greater threats.

Oh yes. And the Tau are apparently products of Guilliman being tasked with protecting and forging this newly discovered species with an immunity to Chaos into the future army of humanity, but the Horus Heresy interrupted those plans.

[Dominus Atheos]

Bullshit. GW will never allow anything to change, ever. While it would be nice for them to come to terms with the idea that maybe parts of their game could be set in the year 41k without breaking out in tears and crying out for Mark Ward to save them, it's not going to happen. They'd be too worried that they couldn't sell enough models.

I can totally believe the Tau/Guilliman stuff though.

(the above post is a parody of 40k/GW memes. Or not )

[Zinegata]

While I have no idea if the rumors are true, effecting a split between Space Marines and the Imperium actually makes sense game-wise. Most players are Space Marine players anyway and it's not uncommon to see a gameday with nothing but SMs on the table. Having them balkanize fits in with the actual gaming scene better.

[madd0ct0r]

either it'll never happen or it already has. Big imperium and all that.

[Imperial Overlord]

Some folks who follow this stuff closer than I have been talking about how the new edition will apparently have the Imperium actually fracturing and collapsing and Chapters starting to either go "independent" to protect their own segmentums/interests or go against Terra entirely as they feel that many of the wars against the "friendlier" Xenos are wasteful given the greater threats.

That's not much of a change from the status quo where there are places that don't receive any contact from Terra for centuries. The Imperium is feudally organized into Segmentum, Sectors, and Subsectors for a reason and many Space Marine chapters are essentially independent operators who lay claim to a swath of Imperial space as being under their protection. The Iron Snakes, for example, are clearly focused on the Reef Stars and have a full plate just dealing with that patch of space.

Oh yes. And the Tau are apparently products of Guilliman being tasked with protecting and forging this newly discovered species with an immunity to Chaos into the future army of humanity, but the Horus Heresy interrupted those plans.

Well most of the people who really hate the Tau hate the Ultrasmurfs so that will go down fairly well, except with the Tau wankers who now have to choke down that the reason the Tau have managed to progress so rapidly is that they've got both the Eldar and a Primarch helping them on the sly.

[Ryan Thunder]

The AdMech didn't even find them until M38 or so. So I find it a bit specious that the primarch of the Ultramarines was supposed to look after them.

[weemadando]

That may have been their re-discovery. After all, if it was an Emperor/Primarch level black op that got buried by the House Heresy, it's believable that the Ad Mech may have been unaware.

[Imperial Overlord]

The AdMech didn't even find them until M38 or so. So I find it a bit specious that the primarch of the Ultramarines was supposed to look after them.

Lots of knowledge disappeared during the Heresy. Mars and Terra both burned as did countless other worlds.

[Grumman]

While I have no idea if the rumors are true, effecting a split between Space Marines and the Imperium actually makes sense game-wise. Most players are Space Marine players anyway and it's not uncommon to see a gameday with nothing but SMs on the table. Having them balkanize fits in with the actual gaming scene better.

Since 5th edition came out, every second codex has been for the loyalist Space Marines. The "actual gaming scene" is a crippled mutant, not something that should be emulated and further encouraged.

[Ryan Thunder]

That may have been their re-discovery. After all, if it was an Emperor/Primarch level black op that got buried by the House Heresy, it's believable that the Ad Mech may have been unaware.

Yeah, I suppose so. Would be interesting to find buried Imperial tech somewhere on the Tau homeworld.

Might explain how they picked up technology so quickly, if there was some kind of Imperial facility left by Guilliman to essentially introduce them to stuff.

[Srelex]

Actually, from what I can tell on other forums the Tau/Ultra thing is coming from someone extrapolating too much from a flyer for a GW tournament which had an 'ally chart' that suggested Tau and Space Marines as 'brothers in arms'--probably referring to that one time they briefly allied to fight the Necrons, or something, keeping in mind it did the same with Tau and Eldar. I mean, there were rumors that were was going to be a bigger connection between Tau and said Eldar in the fluff, which I don't think have materialized, so...

[Dartzap]

Are they finally going to move up to the 42nd millennium? Think the Cain novels are placed nigh on the end of the 41st.

As to the Astartes going off on their tods, not that surprising, but it would redeem the Soul Drinkers in some form. Which is just unacceptable

[Black Admiral]

As to the Astartes going off on their tods, not that surprising, but it would redeem the Soul Drinkers in some form. Which is just unacceptable

The only way that'd happen is if we see them all get slaughtered by the Iron Snakes, Raven Guard or Black Templars - or, for my preference, all three.

[Ahriman238]

Well, clearly the Imperium still exists a century into the New Millennium, since that's when the Cain books are allegedly published, and Cain was retired for at least a few years before the Eye of Terror campaign er- the latest and greatest Black Crusade that got as far as Cadia and stopped.

I don't why people complain the setting never changes, it's more grimdark now than ever before!

Honestly, they'll never let the story just end, so what we'll never see is everyone's ultimate victory plan/scenario bumping into everyone else's. Which would be entertaining.

[Dartzap]

As to the Astartes going off on their tods, not that surprising, but it would redeem the Soul Drinkers in some form. Which is just unacceptable

The only way that'd happen is if we see them all get slaughtered by the Iron Snakes, Raven Guard or Black Templars - or, for my preference, all three.

I was thinking more about their reasons for splitting in the first place. Imperium is Awesome, the administration less so, etc

Oh and spoilers in regards to where the SD's are nowdays.....
Spoiler

In Phalanx, a grand total of three Soul Drinkers survive the novel

[Black Admiral]

Yes, I'm aware of the conclusion to Phalanx and Certain People weaselling out of what was due them (and even Lysander kicking that idiot Reinez in the gob doesn't make up for that).