You get a Robotic Labour Battalion (RAR!)
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You get a Robotic Labour Battalion (RAR!)
In this scenario, Q has given you a gift in the form of a Battalion of six hundred of general utility labor robots.
Said Robotic workers are multifunction machines, they have a base 50cm across, 60cm long and 40cm tall. This houses the computer system. For locomotion they have four triple jointed legs (65cm long) ending in a disc shaped foot (10cm in diameter). For manipulation they have four arms mounted radially on a rotating turret. Each arm is as long as a human arm and has three joints (able to rotate 360 degrees on an axis and move back and forth on a pivot) and ends in a socket for one of several varieties of hand. They can walk at up to 10 kilometers per hour. Among them are the general manipulator (four digited hand with two frontal fingers and two thumbs on each side), grasper (a heavy duty mechanical clap), cutter (a 10cm circular saw), power drill, arc welder and soldering iron. In addition they can use human tools. On top of that on a telescoping mount is the disc shaped head, which has an outer shell to protect its sensor equipment, which includes five cameras (four mounted radially and can pivot, one mounted on a top turret which is higher resolution) and a set of microphones. They are powered by an internal battery that will last for about six hours of work, as well as having a couple of plugs and sockets to draw electricity in. They also have a vocoder allowing them to speak in English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Russian, Korean, Mandarin and Japanese in a mechanical tone (either male or female, there is a toggle). To protect the joints, a set of fireproof cloth sleeves are on the arms and legs. They also each have a a pair of detachable cloth bags mounted on their sides that are 20cm by 40cm by 10cm.
These robots are pretty intelligent and are loyal to you. You can also assign them to other people, in which they will follow most of the commands that you would give them (the exception is that they will disobey any blatantly self destructive command ("rip yourself apart" or "jump off that cliff") or involves attacking each other. They will not rebel. Indeed they are programmed not to engage in violence against human beings (as well as dogs, cats, pandas and wombats) under any circumstances. They do have a fairly sophisticated intelligence and can do some fairly complex tasks if shown how to do them. Give forty of these robots a power-source, a set of blueprints for a house, a site and all the appropriate materials and tools and they will build a suburban house that will be as up to code as its blueprints are. They are not sapient, however.
Said Robots are housed in a warehouse located just outside of town. Said warehouse contains power stations, a workshop for repairs, a reserve of spare parts and a spare parts fabricator. This is an automated machine which builds spare parts for the robots so long as raw materials are fed into it (which it will list for you on a screen). You also have the services of Steve the accountant and Joe, Ted and Larry the security guards. This should be able to meet the needs of your robots if you do not push them too hard. Their wages and the property taxes for the next ten years shall be paid out of a special fund.
You are free to use them in any way you see fit, but you may not sell the robots, the spare parts fabricator or the warehouse. Do so and you will turn into Montie the talking sapient Nile Monitor Lizard.
What do you do with these robots?
Zor
Said Robotic workers are multifunction machines, they have a base 50cm across, 60cm long and 40cm tall. This houses the computer system. For locomotion they have four triple jointed legs (65cm long) ending in a disc shaped foot (10cm in diameter). For manipulation they have four arms mounted radially on a rotating turret. Each arm is as long as a human arm and has three joints (able to rotate 360 degrees on an axis and move back and forth on a pivot) and ends in a socket for one of several varieties of hand. They can walk at up to 10 kilometers per hour. Among them are the general manipulator (four digited hand with two frontal fingers and two thumbs on each side), grasper (a heavy duty mechanical clap), cutter (a 10cm circular saw), power drill, arc welder and soldering iron. In addition they can use human tools. On top of that on a telescoping mount is the disc shaped head, which has an outer shell to protect its sensor equipment, which includes five cameras (four mounted radially and can pivot, one mounted on a top turret which is higher resolution) and a set of microphones. They are powered by an internal battery that will last for about six hours of work, as well as having a couple of plugs and sockets to draw electricity in. They also have a vocoder allowing them to speak in English, French, German, Italian, Polish, Russian, Korean, Mandarin and Japanese in a mechanical tone (either male or female, there is a toggle). To protect the joints, a set of fireproof cloth sleeves are on the arms and legs. They also each have a a pair of detachable cloth bags mounted on their sides that are 20cm by 40cm by 10cm.
These robots are pretty intelligent and are loyal to you. You can also assign them to other people, in which they will follow most of the commands that you would give them (the exception is that they will disobey any blatantly self destructive command ("rip yourself apart" or "jump off that cliff") or involves attacking each other. They will not rebel. Indeed they are programmed not to engage in violence against human beings (as well as dogs, cats, pandas and wombats) under any circumstances. They do have a fairly sophisticated intelligence and can do some fairly complex tasks if shown how to do them. Give forty of these robots a power-source, a set of blueprints for a house, a site and all the appropriate materials and tools and they will build a suburban house that will be as up to code as its blueprints are. They are not sapient, however.
Said Robots are housed in a warehouse located just outside of town. Said warehouse contains power stations, a workshop for repairs, a reserve of spare parts and a spare parts fabricator. This is an automated machine which builds spare parts for the robots so long as raw materials are fed into it (which it will list for you on a screen). You also have the services of Steve the accountant and Joe, Ted and Larry the security guards. This should be able to meet the needs of your robots if you do not push them too hard. Their wages and the property taxes for the next ten years shall be paid out of a special fund.
You are free to use them in any way you see fit, but you may not sell the robots, the spare parts fabricator or the warehouse. Do so and you will turn into Montie the talking sapient Nile Monitor Lizard.
What do you do with these robots?
Zor
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Besides the obvious "start a construction company", can the robots do hazardous material cleanup or make more robots?
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Well first, practical issues to consider. First, I'd want to be able to increase the number of robots I have whenever I need to. So I'd have them convert the warehouse into an assembly line for more robots and more spare parts (insurance in case the fabricator breaks down at some point).
Now since this whole thing requires resources and money, I'd have the robots work on tasks where the biggest cost is typically human labor...such as refurbishing furniture, building PC computers, automotive repair, etc... This is small-fry stuff but given my (currently) limited finances, I'd have to start small and work up to the big time stuff such as mining, heavy manufacturing, etc...
Once the income and sustainability issues are taken care of, I'd start using the ever-expanding robot army...well...not as my personal plaything, but to make the world a better place. I know that sounds cheesy but that's pretty much how it is. I'd use them to fix things I feel need fixing in the world...environmental cleanup, city infrastructure repair, etc... I'd want to use them to help reduce crime but you said "no violence" which implies they won't even want to use nonlethal means to subdue a criminal. So maybe just being the "eyes and ears" for local police / border patrol agencies. The robots could help build hospitals, schools and laboratories.
In time, once my robot empire has grown to sufficiently nerd-wank proportions, I'd probably want to start on some equally nerd-wank projects such as the colonization of space.
Yeah I know...but what else would a generally non-evil person such as myself do with an army of robots?
Now since this whole thing requires resources and money, I'd have the robots work on tasks where the biggest cost is typically human labor...such as refurbishing furniture, building PC computers, automotive repair, etc... This is small-fry stuff but given my (currently) limited finances, I'd have to start small and work up to the big time stuff such as mining, heavy manufacturing, etc...
Once the income and sustainability issues are taken care of, I'd start using the ever-expanding robot army...well...not as my personal plaything, but to make the world a better place. I know that sounds cheesy but that's pretty much how it is. I'd use them to fix things I feel need fixing in the world...environmental cleanup, city infrastructure repair, etc... I'd want to use them to help reduce crime but you said "no violence" which implies they won't even want to use nonlethal means to subdue a criminal. So maybe just being the "eyes and ears" for local police / border patrol agencies. The robots could help build hospitals, schools and laboratories.
In time, once my robot empire has grown to sufficiently nerd-wank proportions, I'd probably want to start on some equally nerd-wank projects such as the colonization of space.
Yeah I know...but what else would a generally non-evil person such as myself do with an army of robots?
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Assuming they have or can be fitted with enough radiation shielding, I'd demand a billion dollars a month from Japan to have them work at the Fukushima Daiichi Plant. Billion dollars a month will buy my anything I could ever have them build. Japan would pay this kind of money even to have them do a lot of work they now have human beings doing anyway.
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Yep.Dave wrote:can the robots do hazardous material cleanup
If you give them some machine tools and blueprints and have an engineer tell them what to do, they can do it.make more robots?
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How about arming them with miniguns, bows, knives, rocket launchers, bottles, candy canes, shotguns and mackerels, then send them with a bomb towards Mann Co Apple HQ so that they can place said bomb in conveniently located bomb chute just outside it?
All in global domination scheme, of course, blowing up these jerks will be just a bonus
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How long before being accused of stealing the job of good and honest hard-working humans ?Sea Skimmer wrote:Assuming they have or can be fitted with enough radiation shielding, I'd demand a billion dollars a month from Japan to have them work at the Fukushima Daiichi Plant. Billion dollars a month will buy my anything I could ever have them build. Japan would pay this kind of money even to have them do a lot of work they now have human beings doing anyway.
Specially if you are the only owner of these robots...
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Sirocco, the job in question is "work in a radioactive hellhole that no human being can spend more than about ten minutes inside, even in a heavily armored radiation suit, without getting their gonads fried."
If someone says Skimmer is "stealing the job of humans" working to clean up Fukushima, it'll probably be in a thank-you letter.
If someone says Skimmer is "stealing the job of humans" working to clean up Fukushima, it'll probably be in a thank-you letter.
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Did you know a number of workers at Fukushima have actually dropped dead from heatstroke because they have to work in sealed plastic radiation suits in the summer heat and cannot take a drink of water on the job? Well, why I would ask I dunno, of course you don't know a damn thing about it or else you'd never make such an inane comment. People would be building statues of me before they accuse me of taking someones fucking job on a site that has radiation hot spots so bad they had to bulldoze them over with tanks or build thick steel walls as shielding.sirocco wrote: How long before being accused of stealing the job of good and honest hard-working humans ?
Specially if you are the only owner of these robots...
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Sorry to have upset you. But something you seem to forget is that currently nuclear industry is a market with very few actors and very tight regulations. And most of them know how to build reactors but just have the faintest idea about how to dismantle them. And now with Fukushima, it just became something more important. (even part of the reason why Germany decided to reduce its nuclear energy production)Sea Skimmer wrote:Did you know a number of workers at Fukushima have actually dropped dead from heatstroke because they have to work in sealed plastic radiation suits in the summer heat and cannot take a drink of water on the job? Well, why I would ask I dunno, of course you don't know a damn thing about it or else you'd never make such an inane comment. People would be building statues of me before they accuse me of taking someones fucking job on a site that has radiation hot spots so bad they had to bulldoze them over with tanks or build thick steel walls as shielding.sirocco wrote: How long before being accused of stealing the job of good and honest hard-working humans ?
Specially if you are the only owner of these robots...
With your idea, you just got the monopoly on this part of the market. On one side, it's a good thing because you are going to save lives, and also creating new jobs in the future (since it would be acceptable again to build reactors). But on the other side, you basically own the market. Even if they wanted to compete with you, the other actors would face all the technological and economical
problem that you avoided thanks to an act of Q.
Now seriously think about it: How long are they going to accept it ?
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Actually the issue is you have no damn clue what is going on at Fukushima. They’ve already had multiple scandals from the Yakauza being used to recruit workers off the streets and even employed people who were later ruled mentally deficient. The experts are in the slim minority, and every day more and more of them reach the acceptable limit for radiation for the year and must stop working anyway. In fact they also just had a scandal in which one subcontractor had fucking lead plates made for his unskilled workers to put over radiation badges, so they could work longer and pass the badge check.sirocco wrote: Sorry to have upset you. But something you seem to forget is that currently nuclear industry is a market with very few actors and very tight regulations. And most of them know how to build reactors but just have the faintest idea about how to dismantle them. And now with Fukushima, it just became something more important. (even part of the reason why Germany decided to reduce its nuclear energy production)
If you knew even slightly what you were talking about you’d realize that thousands of people are being used at the plant, and they’ve suffered from a labor shortage for months. 600 robots wouldn’t be a monopoly, they’d be a fucking godsend for a cleanup that is going to last at least thirty years.
With your idea, you just got the monopoly on this part of the market.
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And godsend is an absolute advantage. Your absolute advantage over everyone else.Sea Skimmer wrote:If you knew even slightly what you were talking about you’d realize that thousands of people are being used at the plant, and they’ve suffered from a labor shortage for months. 600 robots wouldn’t be a monopoly, they’d be a fucking godsend for a cleanup that is going to last at least thirty years.
You've done a good thing helping people in Fukushima but in the same time, you've just disrupted the whole market. And this is something that cannot be ignored.
If you just take your own example, the second your first robot will reach the area, the Yakuza will pay you a visit. If they are nice, they'll buy them at a ridiculously low price (still advantageous since you got them for free). if they are not, well I think you know what they'll do to get them.
When I asked my first question:
I wanted to make sure that you understood what it takes to make the right call.sirocco wrote:How long before being accused of stealing the job of good and honest hard-working humans ?
Specially if you are the only owner of these robots...
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[rolls eyes]
The Yakuza have limited reach, and a LOT of other ways to make money aside from "get random schlubs to clean up radioactive material." If a foreign contractor comes in from another country, they're not likely to do that much about it.
In real life, there are a lot of companies that do quite well with a 'unique advantage:' being the best at what they do, so that everyone wants to hire them. Robot hazardous waste disposal would be no exception.
The Yakuza have limited reach, and a LOT of other ways to make money aside from "get random schlubs to clean up radioactive material." If a foreign contractor comes in from another country, they're not likely to do that much about it.
In real life, there are a lot of companies that do quite well with a 'unique advantage:' being the best at what they do, so that everyone wants to hire them. Robot hazardous waste disposal would be no exception.
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Okay, Yakuza have a limited reach. What about governments? What if friendly guys in black suits and unsmiling faces decide to stop by to find out just where you got the equipment (and they won't buy the 'Deus Ex Machina' explanation)? You see, if you imported it, you better produce customs papers. If you produced them, how about documenting the taxes you and workers you hired must surely pay?
Then, there is simple nationalizing the robots 'in interest of national security' and such, to give the state in question unique advantage over others. I'm sure just about any state has emergency appropriation laws. What you're going to do then? Only in some Libertard utopia being owner is holy, in real country ways to lose the stuff once someone with a lot more pull than you becomes interested are many.
Then, there is simple nationalizing the robots 'in interest of national security' and such, to give the state in question unique advantage over others. I'm sure just about any state has emergency appropriation laws. What you're going to do then? Only in some Libertard utopia being owner is holy, in real country ways to lose the stuff once someone with a lot more pull than you becomes interested are many.
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Really? fuck you guys are paranoid.
Construction would be fun, and fit my job anyway but the killer in the UK is land prices.
They're small enough to work within the larger sewers, and unlike humans won't die so that's one possible avenue. Sellafield would probably welcome them as a flexible workforce for construction, demolition, cleanup and reprocessing.
Underwater work is always popular. Strap a flipper on each leg and they can do the diving work on the North sea rigs, inspection and repair of flooded culverts (seriously, Network Rail occasionally looses them for a decade or so).
I love to take them to a developing country and start bridge, road and rail work, but truth be told it'd be better for locals to be employed.
They're not capable of synthesis, so I can't have them churning out solar panels or stuff, although given advanced enough problem solving they could methodically repair, refurbish and make more energy efficient empty houses. Raw materials for this would still be required, but I could perhaps make a deal with a recycling center - my robots sort rubbish 24hrs a day and I get to take a tithe for the construction teams.
Since that's relatively complex but mechanical, boring and hazardous work, it's ideally suited for these robots to take over.
Construction would be fun, and fit my job anyway but the killer in the UK is land prices.
They're small enough to work within the larger sewers, and unlike humans won't die so that's one possible avenue. Sellafield would probably welcome them as a flexible workforce for construction, demolition, cleanup and reprocessing.
Underwater work is always popular. Strap a flipper on each leg and they can do the diving work on the North sea rigs, inspection and repair of flooded culverts (seriously, Network Rail occasionally looses them for a decade or so).
I love to take them to a developing country and start bridge, road and rail work, but truth be told it'd be better for locals to be employed.
They're not capable of synthesis, so I can't have them churning out solar panels or stuff, although given advanced enough problem solving they could methodically repair, refurbish and make more energy efficient empty houses. Raw materials for this would still be required, but I could perhaps make a deal with a recycling center - my robots sort rubbish 24hrs a day and I get to take a tithe for the construction teams.
Since that's relatively complex but mechanical, boring and hazardous work, it's ideally suited for these robots to take over.
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Come on know, do you expect Zor to have to disclaimer that if the government seizes your property they turn into giant monitor lizards too? There is literally no way to discuss anything this scenario can produce without invoking "the government nationalizes the warehouse" by your reasoning.Irbis wrote:Okay, Yakuza have a limited reach. What about governments? What if friendly guys in black suits and unsmiling faces decide to stop by to find out just where you got the equipment (and they won't buy the 'Deus Ex Machina' explanation)? You see, if you imported it, you better produce customs papers. If you produced them, how about documenting the taxes you and workers you hired must surely pay?
Then, there is simple nationalizing the robots 'in interest of national security' and such, to give the state in question unique advantage over others. I'm sure just about any state has emergency appropriation laws. What you're going to do then? Only in some Libertard utopia being owner is holy, in real country ways to lose the stuff once someone with a lot more pull than you becomes interested are many.
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Since I want to be clear about this, the legal work has been handled by Q. Unless you do something very illegal with them, they will not attract the attention of law enforcement or national security (unless you hire out your robots to fix the plumbing at the local police station or CIA base and similar). If your not stupid with them, they won't get confiscated by first world governments.
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The whole market, what for labor to cleanup once every several decade nuclear disasters? Your just being retarded. Amazingly so.sirocco wrote: And godsend is an absolute advantage. Your absolute advantage over everyone else.
You've done a good thing helping people in Fukushima but in the same time, you've just disrupted the whole market. And this is something that cannot be ignored.
The power of the Yakuza is almost nonexistent in the United States outside of certain Japanese communities in California, which happens to be on the wrong side of the country from me. In fact, since the Japanese dont have enough labor in the first place at the site its unlikely the Yakuza would even give a fuck. But thanks for playing the retarded game again.
If you just take your own example, the second your first robot will reach the area, the Yakuza will pay you a visit. If they are nice, they'll buy them at a ridiculously low price (still advantageous since you got them for free). if they are not, well I think you know what they'll do to get them.
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Well, I now have the power to drastically undercut costs for literally anything relating to labor, construction or fabrication. I could buy up the old GE plant and start stamping out quality appliances slightly cheaper than the Chinese version.
Okay, I divide my 600 strong battalion into 30 strong platoons, each overseen by a human employee. I will need a name for my new company. Since plan is a renaissance of New England, where the weather is crappy, and because I like to make people wonder, I shall file under 'the Umbrella Corporation.'
2 Platoons will tunnel a few of the shallow landfills and/or tear apart junkyards looking for salvage. Mostly they're looking for materials to feed the part-maker, but anything else useful is a bonus. SInce we can make all the parts for new robots cheaply and easily, these two platoons will regularly rotate out to assembly-line production of more robots.
After assembling a vast fortune reopening old factories, and setting aside a nest egg for myself, I proceed to blow most of that fortune hiring inefficient, costly human employees. The steel mills of Saugus, the textile mills of Lowell, all back in business, thanks to a little grease into the body politic and ads encouraging good patriots to buy American.
Ok, creating new jobs are good. I buy some of the fairly unused and desolate land to build wind farms. I also approach the various State governments up here and offer cheap contracts to repair, revamp or replace a lot of the crumbling infrastructure they never quite get around to. Schools for the most part, some bridges that have been in bad shape. Since I'll have to hire good engineers already, why not a couple?
Maybe I'll even buy and restore some of the old trolley tracks. I'll never initial investment back, but a small fare should cover operating expenses with maybe a small profit.
Oh, and one benefit to building a vast fortune is being able to hire a small army or lawyers and accountants to figure out how to make my pie-in-the-sky dreams a reality, including sustainable business models that account for all the extra you have to pay for US workers. And how to turn my money into more money via investments since most of these projects will never pay themselves back.
Mostly I just figure on getting wealthy enough to live in moderate comfort, while turning my state (and to a lesser extent, region) into an even better center for industry, commerce, and education than it ever was. And a much nicer place to live.
Perhaps in my dotage I'll do something really wild. Restoration project on that broken, corroded statue in New York perhaps? I'm sure we can find a suitable transparent covering that would let the proper color show.
Okay, I divide my 600 strong battalion into 30 strong platoons, each overseen by a human employee. I will need a name for my new company. Since plan is a renaissance of New England, where the weather is crappy, and because I like to make people wonder, I shall file under 'the Umbrella Corporation.'
2 Platoons will tunnel a few of the shallow landfills and/or tear apart junkyards looking for salvage. Mostly they're looking for materials to feed the part-maker, but anything else useful is a bonus. SInce we can make all the parts for new robots cheaply and easily, these two platoons will regularly rotate out to assembly-line production of more robots.
After assembling a vast fortune reopening old factories, and setting aside a nest egg for myself, I proceed to blow most of that fortune hiring inefficient, costly human employees. The steel mills of Saugus, the textile mills of Lowell, all back in business, thanks to a little grease into the body politic and ads encouraging good patriots to buy American.
Ok, creating new jobs are good. I buy some of the fairly unused and desolate land to build wind farms. I also approach the various State governments up here and offer cheap contracts to repair, revamp or replace a lot of the crumbling infrastructure they never quite get around to. Schools for the most part, some bridges that have been in bad shape. Since I'll have to hire good engineers already, why not a couple?
Maybe I'll even buy and restore some of the old trolley tracks. I'll never initial investment back, but a small fare should cover operating expenses with maybe a small profit.
Oh, and one benefit to building a vast fortune is being able to hire a small army or lawyers and accountants to figure out how to make my pie-in-the-sky dreams a reality, including sustainable business models that account for all the extra you have to pay for US workers. And how to turn my money into more money via investments since most of these projects will never pay themselves back.
Mostly I just figure on getting wealthy enough to live in moderate comfort, while turning my state (and to a lesser extent, region) into an even better center for industry, commerce, and education than it ever was. And a much nicer place to live.
Perhaps in my dotage I'll do something really wild. Restoration project on that broken, corroded statue in New York perhaps? I'm sure we can find a suitable transparent covering that would let the proper color show.
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Re: You get a Robotic Labour Battalion (RAR!)
Could I use them to create a subway system hundreds of metres below ground? If so, I do that, and hook up all of Sydney. Then let people use it for free.
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Even with free labor you'd still need hundreds of millions of dollars of material to make something like a subway line.
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Presumably this is where I start a robot mine.
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That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
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That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"
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Re: You get a Robotic Labour Battalion (RAR!)
Paranoid?madd0ct0r wrote:Really? fuck you guys are paranoid.
I saw lots of cases where Tax/Custom officials, especially ones paid bonuses for "efficiency" dug their claws in most unlikely of cases once they smell (even if Pecunia non Olet) money to be made. But ok.
Mine, though, needs something valuable to dig out of the ground. Plus, Skimmer is correct, concrete and steel you need to clad corridors with alone will cost millions. Then, you need to pay for construction permissions, land on which you will start to dig, etc, etc.Gandalf wrote:Presumably this is where I start a robot mine.
Then, there is issue of subway hundreds of meters below the ground being a bit... Impractical. That deep, you need powerful, expensive machines simply to cool/ventilate the tunnels, huge lifts or ultralong mobile stairs to move passengers to surface, etc. etc.
Also, it was my impression that using manual labour to construct narrow tunnels is something that only lets you utilize a small fraction of even 300 robots. There is reason why we use big shield drills to make them now, you know.
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Lots of subways were and some still are hacked out by hand or other non TBM methods as tunnel boring machines are not suitable for all kinds of tunnels. Its also not the digging that takes the most work necessarily, but hauling the muck out and encasing the tunnel. Tunnel boring machines are popular because they integrate all three functions together, and are safer doing it. If you used robots for this lots of the robots would be doing those other jobs, particularly to make concrete tunnel lining segments on the surface and all the concrete work for the stations. Most of this is still a manual labor job today.
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